new version of OSAS?

[Tong2020]

No trap, just facts. If anything, you weren't aware of scripture and you trapped yourself.

Are you changing your mind, or do you still think one can live in adultery and make it to heaven as you first said they could?

Let’s make it more simple and common, by considering the liar instead of the adulterer.

Now let’s ask, who is not guilty of lying? Where will the liar go, to heaven or to the lake of fire?

Tong
R3467

 

[Tong2020]

How Satanic! I don't want your license to sin. I'd rather be a Christian.

By all means then, be a Christian.

Tong
R3468

 

[JunChosen]

I don't know how my question could be any clearer? There are MANY warnings in the NT for God's people. OSAS is clearly a hoax.

Alright, I asked you this many times in the past but you have deliberately evaded the question, and so that we can have clear dialogues, I'll ask again: "can you define the meaning of Once Saved Always Saved?" Thank you.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Are you referring to those who believe that they are saved and believe that they could be unsaved by making the choice again between believing Christ or rejecting Him? Something they said they have already settled before, having chosen to believe? And while they claim to have done that, they claim still to make that same choice day after day, with the possibility of them making the other choice. That by itself just shows that they have not really made the choice before regarding that, which they claim they have, even claiming to have been saved through it.

If one claims to have made the choice of believing in Jesus Christ, but still face the same choice each day thereafter is I’d say, is a double minded person, unstable in all his ways. One who have made the choice sincerely from his heart to believe in God and have faith in Jesus Christ, do not have to face that matter ever again. He ought to start living out the eternal life that God had freely given him, as a child of God.

Another OSAS self appointed judge on NON OSASers!

Would you be good enough to at least highlight in my post the part that you based your accusation against me there? If you can’t then you know what that means.

Tong
R3469

 

[Tong2020]

A very accurate description of OSASers!

License to sin / OSAS!

Is that all we can expect from you? It has always been like that for quite a time now.

Tong
R3470

 

[Tong2020]

However, I believe it is NOT possible for any one to commit the unforgivable sin, not even an atheist will declare that the power of Jesus is coming from Satan instead of from the Holy Ghost.

I mean, it doesn't make sense for any one to commit, confess, and admit this unforgivable sin today. Can you honestly say you know of people who did this, and can you share this with us?

To God Be The Glory

If you consider Jesus as alive and that the Holy Spirit is here in this world and that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to do some work, any one who says that the work of the Holy Spirit is of the devil, I’d say might be guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Tong
R3471

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
<<<One can easily begin to live a lifestyle of sin after they are saved.>>>

I don’t that as could refer to a legitimate child of God.

<<<Then there are the ones who feel its ok to live a lifestyle of sin after they are saved because those who teach the false gospel of OSAS have essentually told them they can. I mean why not? "Once saved always saved", they have nothing to lose.>>>

I also do not see that as referring to the legitimate child of God.

The legitimate child of God does not have a heart with such thoughts nor sees the grace of God as such.

Agree.

Glad that you agree.

So, with that, who do you say are those with such thoughts and sees the grace of God as such, if they are not the legitimate children of God? Who are they?

Tong
R3472

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you can sin. You can deny Jesus and still be saved. How convenient and flexible! Until Judgment Day!

Ok should I report you? Because I have never said you can deny Jesus and be saved, in fact I have said many times that those who deny Jesus have never been saved and quote 1 John 2 as my reproof

let me know. Because if your going to report me for calling you a liar I have the right to report you for being a liar and claiming over and over I believe or said something I have never said,

also are you sinless? If not.your comment of sin is nonsense, because even you claim you can (will) sin and still get to heaven.

 

[Tong2020]

A little child could understand this. It takes an adult with an agenda to TWIST it.

Hebrews 6:4-8 (NKJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit (Christians), 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; 8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

Yes a little child perhaps could understand that, as you say. How is it then that the adult that you are, ignore my question concerning that passage? Here let me ask you again that you may have another opportunity to answer it.

What do you understand the passage as saying that which is impossible for those referred to by v.4-5, to do? As you said, even a little child can understand the passage and could be able to answer my simple question.

And perhaps you could also give your answer to the questions in my post you responded to which you ignored altogether:

Now, what does that truth tell you about falling away? What does that tell you about the status of those created by God in Christ Jesus? Can they reject Christ in unbelief and then after, can believe again and could go round and round?

Tong
R3473

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Do you have scriptures to support your second statement concerning Satan, or is it just your own personal opinion and thinking? If you have scriptures to show, please do.

Of course not, there's no OSAS in the Bible! Otherwise there would be no warnings to Christians in the NT! OSAS is utter nonsense!

Just as I thought then, that it was only your opinion and thinking, that there is no scriptures that says what you say, that “Satan is the OSAS creator.”

Nothing further. Have proven my point regarding that statement of yours.

Tong
R3474

 

[kcnalp]

Alright, I asked you this many times in the past but you have deliberately evaded the question, and so that we can have clear dialogues, I'll ask again: "can you define the meaning of Once Saved Always Saved?" Thank you.

To God Be The Glory

Can you?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Those that admit that they are sinners and have the need for Grace .....those that understand it.....are not prone to try to take advantage of it ......they thank God for it though.... and when they succumb to the sins that “ so easily beset us” ......God does not like it and He will punish it .....but I bet he beams with delight when the Saved Sinner BOLDLY goes to the Throne Of GRACE and and receives the Mercy brought about by The Shed Blood Of His Son .....It shows the Confidence and the Faith that one actually has in His Savior....Sin never pleases God but he can be very pleased by our Response to it ....That Grace is the cure for Sin....it makes you want to sin less ....knowing that A loving God will forgive you when He does not have to and when you sure as heck don’t deserve it .....that is what Spurs gratitude and aLove for God and that “ love” is the Engine that drives Obedience and the diminishing of the Sin in a Believer’s Life .....NOT by doubling- down and going back to the Law that can only “ stir - up” that old Sin Nature .....The Law was given so that “ Sin would increase” and show one the NEED for the True Cure for it......Grace.

If you can’t “ get” this you are in Severe Jeopardy when it comes to getting Saved.....it’s God's Way and you either understand it or you do not.....I’m just about finished with the Religionist that scratches his head over all of this and just does not “ get” it.....Im tired of “ casting pearls before swine” .....if the shoe fits—- wear it!

This all great and wonderful, but this is the part everybody knows. We all know about the struggle with sin. And we all know the grace of God keeps us through that struggle. But we weren't talking about the struggling saint, we were talking about the purposely sinning, unrepentant person. Now talk about that person. How is living in unrepentant, deliberate sin not making grace a license to sin? You need to tell your newbies that so they are careful to not make grace a license to sin.

 

[kcnalp]

Would you be good enough to at least highlight in my post the part that you based your accusation against me there? If you can’t then you know what that means.

Tong
R3469

You weren't referring to NON OSASers?

"If one claims to have made the choice of believing in Jesus Christ, but still face the same choice each day thereafter is I’d say, is a double minded person, unstable in all his ways."

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And that goes to those who knows not or do not yet realize, that faith that comes from God is one that abides and continues forever.

Tong
R3461

If they keep believing the word, sure they'll abide forever. That's what John says.....

...see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24​

 

[kcnalp]

Is that all we can expect from you? It has always been like that for quite a time now.

Tong
R3470

I guess as long as OSASers can live like the Devil and still claim to be a Christian I'm not the one who should change.

 

[kcnalp]

Ok should I report you? Because I have never said you can deny Jesus and be saved, in fact I have said many times that those who deny Jesus have never been saved and quote 1 John 2 as my reproof

So, you can sin and still be a Christian but you can't deny Jesus? Total contradiction!

let me know. Because if your going to report me for calling you a liar I have the right to report you for being a liar and claiming over and over I believe or said something I have never said,

also are you sinless? If not.your comment of sin is nonsense, because even you claim you can (will) sin and still get to heaven.

I don't think YOU have a clue what OSAS is! It's SO FLEXIBLE!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Feast on that Ferris and put those hands up, here's a warning....he is just about finished....learn from this well taught man while you still have a chance don't waste the opportunity like Mr. lucky repentance who seams to have left and wasted such a great opportunity? lets be Bereans together and look into what this man says

He didn't say anything in that post that we don't all agree on. For some reason he did not talk about what we were talking about—purposely not repenting of sin, and making grace a license to sin. Which "this well taught man" should know are one and the same thing.

 

[kcnalp]

Just as I thought then, that it was only your opinion and thinking, that there is no scriptures that says what you say, that “Satan is the OSAS creator.”

Nothing further. Have proven my point regarding that statement of yours.

Tong
R3474

OSAS doesn't say you can live in sin and still be a Christian? I honestly don't think OSASers have a clue what they believe!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you do not believe He is
Adequate” for Salvation in and of and of Himself....YOU have to do YOUR part—- AVOID WILLFUL SINS or go to Hell.

You have to avoid unbelief or go to hell. The reason you don't get this is because you do not know that purposely living in unrepentant, deliberate sin is unbelief.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

OSAS doesn't say you can live in sin and still be a Christian? I honestly don't think OSASers have a clue what they believe!

The old Osas did not teach that you can live in sin and you remain a Christian. It said that if you did that you were never a Christian to begin with. It's the NEW Osas that says you can stop believing and go back to your sinful life, on purpose, and you are still saved. But it does get confusing because some of them do seem to dodge back and forth between the two Osas's making it hard to discuss anything with them. And so it is true that some of them do not know what they believe.