new version of OSAS?

[TheslightestID]

The child of God have nothing to worry about, not really because of how he live (not saying how he live isn’t important), but because of what God had done for him, re-creating him in Christ Jesus ~ Christ in him and he in Christ.

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R3465

Then you are saying we can live a lifestyle of adultery, and still go to heaven?

 

[TheslightestID]

<<<But if you want too, is it allowed for you to live like that and still get to heaven?>>>

No one is allowed to live in sin nor to sin, believer or unbeliever. Besides that is not what gets one to heaven or not.

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R3466

Answer the question in my last post.

 

[TheslightestID]

Let’s make it more simple and common, by considering the liar instead of the adulterer.

Now let’s ask, who is not guilty of lying? Where will the liar go, to heaven or to the lake of fire?

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R3467

If they are an on going liar and live a lifestyle if lying without repentance, they go to the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8

ESV

8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, utheir portion will be in vthe lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is wthe second death.”

The bible could not be more clear.

 

[TheslightestID]

Glad that you agree.

So, with that, who do you say are those with such thoughts and sees the grace of God as such, if they are not the legitimate children of God? Who are they?

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R3472

Whst thoughts? I don't understand the question.

 

[TheslightestID]

John said a child of God can’t live in sin

what part of that do you not understand?

Scripture please.

 

[marks]

God doesn't lose believers. He cuts unbelievers loose if they refuse to come back to him because they don't want to come back to him.

So then do you deny the truthfulness of Hebrews 12?

Where God promises just the opposite?

Because what you assert is the exact opposite of what God says.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Don't you understand the difference between the 'once saved always saved' from the 1500's and the new revised 'once saved always saved' of today? The old one is still around, but it is being replaced by the new 'once saved always saved'.

What I understand is that you have an issue with people believing that God will keep His children for Himself.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The new one does. It says even if you go back to unbelief you are still saved and a part of Christ's body, and that you will be saved when he returns. The old, original 'once saved always saved' taught that if you went back to unbelief that shows you were never really saved to begin with. It never taught that an unbeliever was saved. It also taught that if you are living in willful, unrepentant sin that also shows you were never really saved to begin with. I agree that living in sin is ultimately living in unbelief. I disagree that it means you were never a true believer. I believe a true believer can go back to sinning in unbelief. But that fundamental argument is not a life and death issue. Because it guards the issue that is life or death—the necessity for continued believing in order to be saved when Jesus comes back. That is what counts. It does not matter if believers will automatically do that, of if you have to make a conscious decision to do that. What counts is that you do that!

Old one, new one, that's not what is significant here.

The fundamental issue with you is that you don't want others to think that God is able to keep His promises. Or you simply don't understand His promises. But you seem like a smart enough guy to me.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The old Osas defines it one way, the new Osas defines it another. That's what this thread is about.

The way you play with words? You define it how it suits your arguments in the moment.

Much love!

 

[TheslightestID]

We teach the gospel of Christ and the power of God

Do you teach as others here, in that we can live in adultry as an on going lifestyle without repentance and still go to heaven?

 

[marks]

No, the 'stones' won't crumble, or be burned up. Those members of the visible church in this age that are made of 'wood, hay, or straw' are the ones who will get burned up and purged from the people of God, the field and building of God, in the coming judgment of fire.

Compare your words to God's words:

1 Peter 2:1-6 LITV
1) Then laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil words,
2) as newborn babes desire the pure soul-nourishing milk, that you may grow by it;
3) if indeed you "tasted" "that the Lord is good;"
4) to whom having drawn near, a living Stone, indeed having been rejected by men, but chosen by God, precious;
5) you also as living stones are being built a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6) Because of this, it is also contained in the Scripture: "Behold," I lay in Zion" an elect, "precious Stone," "a Corner-foundation;" "and the one believing in Him shall not be ashamed, never!"

Jesus is building His church, which is His living temple, from living stones.

You would have the temple He builds to be a patchwork of repairs where the flimsy crumbling stones are replaced, the sides shored up.

Are you a living stone being built into a spiritual house, only to be pulled out when you would supposedly disconnect from God?

No, that's now how God speaks of us. You do. But not God.

Much love!

 

[TheslightestID]

Old one, new one, that's not what is significant here.

The fundamental issue with you is that you don't want others to think that God is able to keep His promises. Or you simply don't understand His promises. But you seem like a smart enough guy to me.

Much love!

The way you play with words? You define it how it suits your arguments in the moment.

Much love!

Were there some points you would like to refute?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture please.

I am sorry. I thought you knew scripture and could readily know what passages I spoke of.

1 John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

The greek here institutes a continuous habitual nature of sin. Something we should agree with. Because we Know even children of God still commit sin. no one is perfect.

 

[marks]

A builder of God's building, and a planter and waterer of God's field that is not "careful how he builds" 1 Corinthians 3:10. That's who.

And that's how you think of Jesus??

He is the One building the church.

This, in case you've wondered, is an example of those word games. You may as well be spinning in circles.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The Spirit is identified in a person by how they act. I will leave no doubt in your mind that I do in fact have the Spirit of God in me in salvation. I ask you to do the same.

When I look at how you handle the Bible, and how you mix around people's words, that's a stretch!

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If they are an on going liar and live a lifestyle if lying without repentance, they go to the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8

ESV

8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, utheir portion will be in vthe lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is wthe second death.”

The bible could not be more clear.

Yep.

Because as John said, They have never seen or Known God.

1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

 

[TheslightestID]

I am sorry

Agree.

Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18
We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

1 John 1:8 ESV
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

 

[marks]

Yes, I think I have a while back. I try to stay within the boundaries of what the Bible says we can do and that's consider a person unsaved.

You've leveled that "unsaved" accusation against a few people, just that I've seen. So let's be real with each other. And trying to distance by saying, "a while back", well, pretty recently, again, what I've seen.

Step up and take responsibility.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You're really reading it wrong. Trust me on this. You're reading it wrong.

"...give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect" 1 Peter 3:15

"Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth" 2 Timothy 2:25​

There are times and places. For instance . . .

Titus 1:9-11 KJV
9) Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

Much love!

 

[TheslightestID]

Because as John said, They have never seen or Known God.

1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

No, they fell away.

4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,