new version of OSAS?

[Eternally Grateful]

No, they fell away.

4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

So tell me.

How does NEVER KNOWN OR SEE HIM, equal Fell away?

In order to fall away you would have had to have known God. and at the least have seen him as all people who are truly born of God have.

Again is it because you have not experienced it?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Agree.



1 John 1:8 ESV
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

Yep

So the only interpretation can be habitual or ongoing sin. The type of sin a nonbeliever does.

Why do you deny the power of God to change people?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Once again . . . Straw man . . .

Still no Biblical proof? You know it's not a strawman. All you got to do is post that verse and you win, man. And then I can move on to bigger things.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If a child of God can not live in sin.

Then a child of God can not fall back into sin

You people claiming they can call John a liar and deny the power of God to change people.

 

[TheslightestID]

That's just it. They add "their part", they always have to have a part of the pie! Stop sinning to remain saved! Gotta Keep Believing to keep being saved! What a low view of salvation!!

Much love!

Who here said we must stop sinning completely, in order to be saved?

If you cannot answer that, then you are telling lies about posters here, and that is what your defense is based on.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

habitual or ongoing sin. The type of sin a nonbeliever does.

Are you listening @Blood Bought 1953 and @marks ? I quote, "The type of sin a nonbeliever does." Your new style Osas is a joke. Habitual, unrepentant, willful, deliberate sin is the sin of an unbeliever, not a believer.

 

[Cooper]

No no no . . .

"I see. Jesus covers all sins except not believing that I can live in sin and still be saved. I guess the fishing trip is off, then(?)"

Jesus removed all sins. Animal blood only covered sin. Jesus' blood and animal blood are not the same, and God takes serious exception to someone saying otherwise.

Behold! The Lamb of God Who carries away the sin of the world!

When you say Jesus covers sins, you make Him no better than an animal sacrifice. And you present an incorrect view of propitiation.

Much love!

What if the perfect stone cracks later?
.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If a child of God can not live in sin.

Then a child of God can not fall back into sin

You people claiming they can call John a liar and deny the power of God to change people.

John tells believers to let the word of God remain in them. So, obviously, a believer is able to NOT let the word of God remain in them.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Who here said we must stop sinning completely, in order to be saved?

If you cannot answer that, then you are telling lies about posters here, and that is what your defense is based on.

His only argument is to ignore the distinction between sinning and living in sin. He's on the ropes gasping for air.

 

[TheslightestID]

Then a child of God can not fall back into sin

Prove it,

I say they can, as does the bible.

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Timothy 4:1

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What if the perfect stone cracks later?
.

Who made the stone?

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
Would you be good enough to at least highlight in my post the part that you based your accusation against me there? If you can’t then you know what that means.

You weren't referring to NON OSASers?

"If one claims to have made the choice of believing in Jesus Christ, but still face the same choice each day thereafter is I’d say, is a double minded person, unstable in all his ways."

What I said there is my view about the matter of making the choice of believing or rejecting Jesus Christ. And about my view of a person who face the same choice each day after that. And that could be any one, OSASer or not.

Tong
R3475

 

[TheslightestID]

His only argument is to ignore the distinction between sinning and living in sin. He's on the ropes gasping for air.

Seen that before. Its deceiptful, and deceit is the only way he can make his point.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Prove it,

I say they can, as does the bible.

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

1 Timothy 4:1

John said they can't.

Your argument is with John not me

and I already showed you that paul was not telling timothy people would fall away from salvation. He said people would fall away from the faith. ie churches. We see it happening today. as the churches are dwindling in number because people just do not see Christianity as something they desire.

 

[marks]

What if the perfect stone cracks later?
.

Isn't Jesus aware of what He is building with? Is He not able to form us as good stones?

Will God really rip stones from His temple?

You remember, right, all the corrections and problems in the church in Paul's letter to Corinth? The divisions and immorality and all? Yet before these things are mentioned, God tells them,

1 Corinthians 1:7-9 KJV
7) So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8) Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9) God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

No, He does not rip out stones from His temple. He is able to make us stand.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Seen that before. Its deceiptful, and deceit is the only way he can make his point.

Sinning. anyone who commits any sin is sinning

Living in sin, People who live in habitual continual unrepentent sin.

All people. including you and I sin.

A child of God can not live in sin (The apostle John)

I agree with the poster. people do not know the difference between sin and living in sin.

 

[TheslightestID]

Do you teach others that your sins are not so bad and as long as you do not commit these particular sins you will be ok? I am just trying to figure out how you justify your own sins.

No.

What a silly question.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And that's how you think of Jesus??

He is the One building the church.

This, in case you've wondered, is an example of those word games. You may as well be spinning in circles.

Much love!

You're not being real smart about any of this, lol. Even you have to see what builders and planters in the building and field of God have built and planted that are false and aren't going to make it through the judgement. I mean, you're convinced that we anti-Osas are those built and planted and watered that won't make it throught the judgment, right?

 

[marks]

Are you listening @Blood Bought 1953 and @marks ? I quote, "The type of sin a nonbeliever does." Your new style Osas is a joke. Habitual, unrepentant, willful, deliberate sin is the sin of an unbeliever, not a believer.

Don't call this "my osas", that's more Straw Man.

What I think is the joke is how readily and consistently you obfuscate.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Isn't Jesus aware of what He is building with? Is He not able to form us as good stones?

Will God really rip stones from His temple?

You remember, right, all the corrections and problems in the church in Paul's letter to Corinth? The divisions and immorality and all? Yet before these things are mentioned, God tells them,

1 Corinthians 1:7-9 KJV
7) So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8) Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9) God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

No, He does not rip out stones from His temple. He is able to make us stand.

Much love!

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

Paul is confident of this truth. Its sad others are not.. Why are they not confident God will complete what he started?