Thoughting again!....oh no, is that allowed?

[Addy]

Because an asshole demeanor tells listeners there is no change to be afforded by holding faith in a teaching that leads one to behave as the fallen.

You said the A word... hahahahahah

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

. Creation will be redeemed only after the total and supernatural burning up of the earth and its atmosphere. Following that the New Heavens and the New Earth will be established

Interesting, why would God redeem the earth for 1000 years then destroy it?
Sin and evil will be put down for that timw period and then released agai. But sure,g the Millennial Kingdom, the lion will lay with the lamb, wolves with sheep,m and babies playing near a cobra's den. That would be at least a partial relief.
Romans 8:20-23 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body."

 

[amigo de christo]

No. Chapter 1 of the book of Hebrews addressed this Heresy which has been broached by cultists since the 1st century. Jesus isn't Michael as at least one modern cult asserts, Jesus isn't Lucifer as the Luciferians assert, He's the eternal Son of God as the bible asserts.

March on in Christ my friend . This is what cults do my friend . They preach they religion and not Christ .
MAMA ROME is the worst of them , but she has many daughters .
If these religions had even a tenth of the zeal for preaching CHRIST as they do they doctrine the gospel could be sounded out unto all
the world in a day . I pray and hope folks ponder on that one .

 

[amigo de christo]

I shun to hades the doctrines of men . Give me JESUS and all suffering and still i would die happy .
I

 

[Enoch111]

Interesting, why would God redeem the earth for 1000 years then destroy it?

Because corruption, sin and evil cannot be totally eradicated until after the battle of Gog and Magog (Rev 20). Some things are indeed hard to understand. Why would God want to release Satan when he was already locked up?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

That's one of the errors of the accursed Jehovah's witnesses. Their founders, without any sound knowledge of biblical languages, substituted words in the bible to create their accursed New World Translation, specifically to deny the person of God's son. This is the spirit of antichrist in the world.

Frederick Franz translates the Bible in the 1950's. He had two years of Greek and I'm a court of law could not translate one sentence in Hebrew. The New World Translation is not accepted as a valid version. Scholars claim it is the only version created to conform to a particular belief system. I think the writers are accursed, I would be careful about saying they all are. Changes made may be about the nature of God but not faith in Christ,,that He died for ours sins and rose on the third day.

Because corruption, sin and evil cannot be totally eradicated until after the battle of Gog and Magog (Rev 20). Some things are indeed hard to understand. Why would God want to release Satan when he was already locked up?

The Church is resurrected before the Millennial Kingdom. So who is left to procreate? Probably the remnant Jews who came to the Lord after the resurrection. ??
The people who have been born during the Millennial Kingdom will be tested. Though Christ is King, people are still born with that sin nature that is stirred up towards the end. They must believe and follow Christ or else. You would think li ing in Paradise with Christ as King, how could anyone go astray? Some people just want to raise hell in spite of God.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Bold to equate JW (Christians) with antiChrists.



Not sharing doctrine ≠ Deceivers.

My SIL recently escaped what he called the 'cult of Jaydub.' Most of his whole family is still in the cult, except for a cousin and his grandmother. To have a relationship with him and the grandkids, his parents have to violate the rules of ostracizing. It is sad and I can see the pain on my SIL's face when he talks about the 'Jaydub cult.' It's not just doctrinal.

Only if its bold to speak the truth as proclaimed by scripture.
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 1 John 2:18-23
Mohammed believed in a prophet named Jesus, but denied that Jesus is the Son of God, born of a virgin, or that He even died on the cross. In other words, he believed in another Jesus, not the Jesus of scripture, the only begotten Son of God. Mohammed was an antichrist and that could be called a bold statement because I could be arrested and beheaded in some nations just for saying it.
Likewise the Jehovah's witnesses believe in a Jesus from Nazareth, but not in who He is, claiming that He is one of the angelic host rather than the Word that created them. I did get one of their missionaries to admit that they do not see Him as equal to God. Denying who He is, is denying the Christ. Their original "elders" altered scripture in their New World Translation which is a serious transgression and the alterations were to deny who Jesus is, which is the definition of antichrist.

 

[BarneyFife]

Barney, I have told you several times before, ask Sheriff Andy, he'll set you straight. Maybe that is what is missing in your life, a more mature, educated brother to come alongside you and be patient and get yiu on the right path - like Andy has always been.

I'll never learn. :)

 

[Wrangler]

Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father

Christians do not deny the Son. It's just that trinitarians want to pretend Scripture explicitly teaches the trinity, when it does not.

 

[michaelvpardo]

March on in Christ my friend . This is what cults do my friend . They preach they religion and not Christ .
MAMA ROME is the worst of them , but she has many daughters .
If these religions had even a tenth of the zeal for preaching CHRIST as they do they doctrine the gospel could be sounded out unto all
the world in a day . I pray and hope folks ponder on that one .

It wasn't Rome that spawned the Jehovah's witnesses or the Mormons, it was Free Masonry. Free Masonry concerns itself with the symbolism of scripture, not the plain meaning of text and is a form of gnosticism. Most of the modern cults were founded by Free Masons who equate all religious systems that believe in a god and a resurrection. SInce they have no regard for the plain meaning of the biblical text, their members have been frequently known to create their own religious systems.

 

[Wrangler]

Likewise the Jehovah's witnesses believe in a Jesus from Nazareth, but not in who He is, claiming that He is one of the angelic host rather than the Word that created them.

You just cannot accept the Bible does not explicitly teach Jesus is what trinitarians say. It does explicitly teach that he is the Messiah. You embrace dualism but not all Christians do.


High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: 62 I am.
Mark 14:61-62

 

[michaelvpardo]

Christians do not deny the Son. It's just that trinitarians want to pretend Scripture explicitly teaches the trinity, when it does not.

Actually it does if your eyes are open to see it. The great shema, "Hear O Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is One" is "sh'mah Israel, Adonai Allehenu, Adonai echad" ( although my spelling is probably off). The word echad is not just the number 1, but also has the meaning "unity". The Hebrew word Elohim is the plural of Elohe and is translated simply as God, not Gods. You may add to or take away from scripture at your own peril, but I'll stick with the Word.

 

[michaelvpardo]

You just cannot accept the Bible does not explicitly teach Jesus is what trinitarians say. It does explicitly teach that he is the Messiah. You embrace dualism but not all Christians do.


High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: 62 I am.
Mark 14:61-62

Actually any noncorrupted bible translation does teach trinitarianism. Burn your green dragon and get yourself a real translation. In the account of Jesus' baptism we have all 3 present, the invisible God and father of all spirits speaks, the Holy Spirit descends like a dove, and Jesus gets dunked.
And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.” Luke 3:22
This isn't the only verse that illustrates trinitarian doctrine, but I'm not teaching here, just refuting misinformation.

 

[Amazed@grace]

You said the A word... hahahahahah

I did. Though to be clear I was not referring to our brother,sister, whom I quoted as being the A word.
My point was inclusive of that argumentative style that presumes to insult people not of ones same beliefs in order to employ a back road tactic intended to say, those people targeted are not "true" Christians. Whatever that means.

 

[Amazed@grace]

I shun to hades the doctrines of men . Give me JESUS and all suffering and still i would die happy .
I

For that to be reality we would have had to walk with Jesus and hear his teachings from his own lips.
The doctrines of men have had their way since the first council convened to decide what "qualified" as the teachings of the master.
Likely, even before this.
I believe this is why we're told to discern the truth and not trust every spirit.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Frederick Franz translates the Bible in the 1950's. He had two years of Greek and I'm a court of law could not translate one sentence in Hebrew. The New World Translation is not accepted as a valid version. Scholars claim it is the only version created to conform to a particular belief system. I think the writers are accursed, I would be careful about saying they all are. Changes made may be about the nature of God but not faith in Christ,,that He died for ours sins and rose on the third day.

The Church is resurrected before the Millennial Kingdom. So who is left to procreate? Probably the remnant Jews who came to the Lord after the resurrection. ??
The people who have been born during the Millennial Kingdom will be tested. Though Christ is King, people are still born with that sin nature that is stirred up towards the end. They must believe and follow Christ or else. You would think li ing in Paradise with Christ as King, how could anyone go astray? Some people just want to raise hell in spite of God.

1st I'll call Jehovah's witnesses accursed because denying that Jesus is Lord is a fundamental element of their faith, while believing Jesus is Lord is a fundamental element of true Christianity. We are all accursed, at enmity with God and children of wrath until we are born again of His Spirit. That's not my idea, but scriptures ' teaching.
2nd I appreciate the facts about the author of the NWT, but the JPS Tanaach is actually translated in the same fashion. Though it only includes the books of the Old Testament, the Hebrew scholars who translated it changed every messianic passage that points to a fulfillment in Jesus Christ in support of their rejection of Him. At least those authors were honest enough to place footnotes on these corruptions that usually state that the true translation is uncertain or unknown. As the Tanaach varies from the septuagint, an early Hebrew translation to Greek written some where between 100 and 300 years before Christ, it's safe to say that modern Jewish scholars don't trust the ancient Jewish scholars who wrote it.
With regard to the millennium there are things hidden from the angels that involve them and it probably isn't appropriate to discuss them as there are no explicit doctrines about it included in scripture, just hints.
Let me leave you with two verses and a question to simply consider.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Matthew 24:29
Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 1 Corinthians 6:3
How are men who have not lived like Angels qualified to judge them? Jesus said that in the resurrection we shall be like Angels and not given in marriage, but will we understand them, what motivates them, what the limitations of their authority was, and their concept of justice?

 

[Brakelite]

No. Chapter 1 of the book of Hebrews addressed this Heresy which has been broached by cultists since the 1st century. Jesus isn't Michael as at least one modern cult asserts, Jesus isn't Lucifer as the Luciferians assert, He's the eternal Son of God as the bible asserts.

No-one is denying that quote, He's the eternal Son of God as the bible asserts.
What you need to do is get rid of the straw man arguments and address the issue. Please show for example why Michael, despite all the evidence to the contrary, cannot be the OT name of that very same eternal Son of God... Without any presumptions.

 

[kcnalp]

I think I'll leave you to your faith calling that affirms in you one is to be as you prefer when defending their religion.

I'm just a Bible defender / believer. The term "doctrine" is used about 15 times in the Book of Titus. Must be important.

2 Timothy 4:2-3 (NKJV)
2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,

Jesus, on the other hand, was kind to those whom his tradition considered out of favor, or less than the Jew.

While he was harsh toward those of the faith who presumed themselves above others not of their tradition. Calling them vipers and of their father the devil.

It is impossible to spread the good news of peace and love while acting the verbally offensive dolt.

Why? Because an asshole demeanor tells listeners there is no change to be afforded by holding faith in a teaching that leads one to behave as the fallen.

edited to add "t" to he devil, i. e the devil.

If you replace Bible doctrine with kindness then Satan has already deceived you. It is the Word of God that can save people, not your kindness.

Revelation 12:9 (NKJV)
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;

 

[kcnalp]

Bold to equate JW (Christians) with antiChrists.

Not sharing doctrine ≠ Deceivers.

My SIL recently escaped what he called the 'cult of Jaydub.' Most of his whole family is still in the cult, except for a cousin and his grandmother. To have a relationship with him and the grandkids, his parents have to violate the rules of ostracizing. It is sad and I can see the pain on my SIL's face when he talks about the 'Jaydub cult.' It's not just doctrinal.

Tell him about Acts 16:31
Acts 16:31 (NKJV)
31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household."

 

[Brakelite]

That would be because you misunderstand scripture and are still under the sway of the spirit of error. You must be born again.

That is not an argument in favor of your view. Taking a superior stance and denigrating the other person proves nothing.
QT's statement regarding the Great Prince is not an illogical conclusion... Nor is it one the "born again" cannot comprehend.