The question was not about "trinity", but about what you stated brother in regards the Son being not as 'old' as the Father. I took this to mean (and correct me if I am not understanding you) that you presently believe the person of the Son to have come into existence at some point in eternity past, and this also speaks to the word "Father" in regards the Ancient of Days.
"trinity" is a funny word with several definitions, some simple and basic and some complex, and most in error. I know what the testimonies says and do not say here, and if you choose not to use the word, that is fine, but I am not so much interested in the word, but rather what you stated about the Son in relation to the Father, in regards 'old'-ness.
God Himself placed in mankind at creation an understanding and mindset regarding procreation...being made in His image... that mindset had an inherent understanding that children...sons and daughters...come forth from their parents. When the Son of God spoke of Himself as having come forth from the Father, I see this in the same manner of understanding and mindset as I view all creation. I do not however view Christ add having been created...But certainly begotten...before creation as He had an active role in creation...let us make man in our image.
Can you be specific in the texts you cite, otherwise we might 'dance', and this I do not do. :)
So, can you cite the verse you are referring to when you say "come forth" in regards the Son so we can look at it, and how the Bible uses the same words elsewhere?
I would suggest looking at the Tree of Life first, as an example, since it existed before mankind.
I do however hold this present understanding lightly.
Ok.
At the present time I cannot accept the logic or sense in God giving us a particular line reasonng with regards procreation...begetting etc...without it being a type of His own relationship with His Son. Eternally begotten, as taught by most churches, seems to me a complete contradiction in terms.
I would not suggest eternally begotten either. I would say the Son is eternal and begotten (which deals with His nature as Deity, being the express image).
Begotten means just that.
Actually no. This is where a lot of confusion is.
In the words of one of our own pioneers, Lougbourough, I think, if God loved the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son, then He had a Son to give.
Well Loughborough is correct in that statement, but that statement doesn't add weight to what you stated in regards the Son not being as 'old' as the Father. It simply states what scripture states in that there existed the Son to be given. Loughborough in that statement said nothing about generation, or coming into existence, he merely spoke of that which existed to give, the person of the Son from the person of the Father.
I assume (tell me if I am right or wrong please) that you have studied the same phrase and scripture ("come forth") in the testimonies? I have.
The Lord's day...Sabbath...Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. I am the Lord of the Sabbath day .
I agree, but we ought provide texts, yes?
The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord.
Genesis 2:1-3 - '
the seventh
day', '
God'
Exodus 16:3 - "to morrow [the seventh
day] is the rest of the holy sabbath
unto the LORD'
Exodus 16:25 - 'to
day [the seventh day]; for to
day is a sabbath
unto the LORD: to
day'
Exodus 20:8-11 - '
the sabbath
day', '
the LORD', 'the seventh
day is the sabbath of
the LORD thy God'
Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to
the LORD ... the sabbath
day'
Exodus 35:2 - '
the seventh
day there shall be to you an holy
day, a sabbath of rest
to the LORD'
Leviticus 23:3 - '
the seventh
day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath
of the LORD'
Deuteronomy 5:14 - '
the seventh
day is the sabbath
of the LORD thy God'
Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for
the sabbath
day. It is a good thing to give thanks
unto the LORD'
Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to
the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of
the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant)
Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sabbath ... my [
the LORD's] holy
day ...
the holy
[day] of the Lord'
Isaiah 66:23 - 'one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD'
Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith
the LORD... on the sabbath
day'
Matthew 12:8 - '
the Son of man is
Lord even of the sabbath
day'
Mark 2:28 - '
the Son of man is
Lord even of the sabbath
day'
Luke 6:5 - '
the Son of man is
Lord also of the sabbath
[day]'
Revelation 1:10 - '
the Lord's day'