Y do U believe what U believe, and do U have good reasons 4 those beliefs? - let's find out.

[bbyrd009]

Hard to imagine Jesus residing in the clouds or outer space

interesting juxta there imo lol...clouds maybe has a spiritual analogue?
and we might contemplate that Jesus avoided--strenuously--the Literal Crown, more than once i guess huh

and I do believe He IS coming back, physically one day @bbyrd009 .

hey, beliefs are great, nothing wrong with beliefs imo. As long as they are not considered ATs.

How far away would beliefs that are held as ATs be from divining/prediction, though? And note the "beliefs" we are talking about now are either concerning Past or Future, right, iow essentially stating "i know where i came from, and i know where i'm going" right? Guess what v i would be Quoting for that :)

anyway, of course i would love nothing better than for your prediction to come true ok, only when i go looking for "jesus, returning" the closest i can find is
Return to Me, amd I will return to you
x2

 

[Nancy]

I no longer eat God's creatures; I no longer eat the flesh of animals, neither as much as is possible in this world of deceit, do I any longer eat animal 'products', byproducts (milk, cheese, dairy, eggs, whey and so on).

I know, that video is a very hard video to watch, especially for those who cannot easily look upon suffering, cruelty, and those things. I watched it the first time (a few months back), alone and in the dark, late at deep night, and it really had my attention and without distraction, though was difficult for me to stomach at that time, as I had already given up flesh for several years.

Maybe this video will help you, as the information and scripture therein was a blessing to me:

There is great information in this video. Feel free to ask questions about it also, as there is much more to consider in the word of God on it.

Hello RC :)
I watched the whole video. It was very informative and many things here I have thought of, mostly over the last five or so years. I am going to take his challenge by the grace of God! And try to move closer to the "diet" God always meant for both humans and animals in TGOE (hey @bbyrd009 , how do you like that one ) He likes his acronyms, lol...sry, digressing. A new diet that is old as dirt: Must take care of our temples...
I was surprised he didn't mention Matthew 15:11

"11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

Also Acts 10:14-15

"14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."

Then I think of the Prodigal Son and the fatted calf...?

"All Creation groans..." I sure hope plants that do live and breathe also, do not feel pain Cheese will be a toughie for me. but then...God.

I know you are SDA and there are many good posts I have seen on here by some of my SDA brothers and sisters. Not at all big on anything extra-biblical as, they all seem to sometimes be incorrect with their prophecies and, how many times are we warned about false prophets? If they are wrong even one time then to me, they are false prophets: Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Sorry...so off topic again

Back to the meat and such. I agree with you dead on there. Coffee?? yikes! Cheese, yikes!
As far as eggs, butter and milk (I drink Almond milk if I drink it at all, or walnut milk but I tend to drink that way too much, lol...
Even though as you say: "neither as much as is possible in this world of deceit, do I any longer eat animal 'products', byproducts (milk, cheese, dairy, eggs, whey and so on)." ( Itals mine) Do you mean because of how these by-products are produced?
I think that is an important aspect why we give Him thanks and ask His blessing on the food?
JMHO and I hope you don't take offence.
PS
One thing I love about you SDA's is that you can meet another of your Church/body anywhere in the world and be able to discuss the same sermon
God Bless

 

[Nancy]

interesting juxta there imo lol...clouds maybe has a spiritual analogue?
and we might contemplate that Jesus avoided--strenuously--the Literal Crown, more than once i guess huh

hey, beliefs are great, nothing wrong with beliefs imo. As long as they are not considered ATs.

How far away would beliefs that are held as ATs be from divining/prediction, though? And note the "beliefs" we are talking about now are either concerning Past or Future, right, iow essentially stating "i know where i came from, and i know where i'm going" right? Guess what v i would be Quoting for that :)

anyway, of course i would love nothing better than for your prediction to come true ok, only when i go looking for "jesus, returning" the closest i can find is
Return to Me, amd I will return to you
x2

Hey Mark,
Do you believe in any absolute truths within scripture? Gotta be some! ❤

 

[ScottA]

This was the point of this thread. To see how far one was willing to consider their belief, in the light of some testing, prodding. ScottA do you see Jesus anywhere in scripture replying as you have here?

Is your reply an actual rebuttal to the scriptural evidence and logic provided? It is plainly not. It is called 'hand-waving', or outright dismissal, and should I take that reply as a serious counter to what is presented, or to the belief held? Do you think that your reply would bring someone to change their mind about what they believe, or do you think that your reply would solidify that belief?

My reply was in response to the fact that your rattling on and on with empty error could not be fit within the limits of this forum's rules on the amount of content in one post, and you had to continue on babbling in more than one post to address what could have and should have been a simple matter of stating your allegiance to the flesh or to the Spirit. But, hey, don't sweat it--you have made yourself crystal clear.

And though I could give you scripture to show my reply has biblical precedence, I am not going to waste my time on one who has shown no sign of repentance.

 

[bbyrd009]

I sure hope plants that do live and breathe also, do not feel pain

broccoli freaks out when you pick it too i guess, i could dig up a link if you like. Regardless, i'm pretty sure our fondness for fauna is not so healthy myself, try to use it as more of a flavoring or condiment now

Hello RC :)
I watched the whole video. It was very informative and many things here I have thought of, mostly over the last five or so years. I am going to take his challenge by the grace of God! And try to move closer to the "diet" God always meant for both humans and animals in TGOE (hey @bbyrd009 , how do you like that one ) He likes his acronyms, lol...sry, digressing. A new diet that is old as dirt: Must take care of our temples...
I was surprised he didn't mention Matthew 15:11

"11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

Also Acts 10:14-15

"14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."

Then I think of the Prodigal Son and the fatted calf...?

"All Creation groans..." I sure hope plants that do live and breathe also, do not feel pain Cheese will be a toughie for me. but then...God.

I know you are SDA and there are many good posts I have seen on here by some of my SDA brothers and sisters. Not at all big on anything extra-biblical as, they all seem to sometimes be incorrect with their prophecies and, how many times are we warned about false prophets? If they are wrong even one time then to me, they are false prophets: Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Sorry...so off topic again

Back to the meat and such. I agree with you dead on there. Coffee?? yikes! Cheese, yikes!
As far as eggs, butter and milk (I drink Almond milk if I drink it at all, or walnut milk but I tend to drink that way too much, lol...
Even though as you say: "neither as much as is possible in this world of deceit, do I any longer eat animal 'products', byproducts (milk, cheese, dairy, eggs, whey and so on)." ( Itals mine) Do you mean because of how these by-products are produced?
I think that is an important aspect why we give Him thanks and ask His blessing on the food?
JMHO and I hope you don't take offence.
PS
One thing I love about you SDA's is that you can meet another of your Church/body anywhere in the world and be able to discuss the same sermon
God Bless

i just ran across a source for unpasteurized, unhomoed goat's milk at $12 a gallon (!), been quick-chilled and everything--iow no goaty taste--could be shipped, only thing is it is only available at that price in their off-season, which is now coming to a close. But it doesnt go up by a whole lot even in season. Not strictly organic but i saw the goats, good supplemental feed, etc, but not organic hay. So, $12 a gal right now + dry ice + shipping and handling, but i am used to paying $22 a quart! Ah ok, or more, up here, tho it is beyond organic, $24 a quart here...today anyway

Also i guess the guy can freeze the milk and ship it, but freezing destroys most of the biotics, much like pasteurizing. Still i would much prefer freeze-pasteurized over heat myself

Hey Mark,
Do you believe in any absolute truths within scripture? Gotta be some! ❤

yes, imo there are ATs in Scripture, "_________, about a day's walk from ________," like that. If you find any spiritual ATs post em and we'll see i guess. I'm not so much interested in my opinion there, if 1 can get 2 others (3 iow) to agree, that qualifies imo

 

[ScottA]

Yes. Follow the order:

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Spiritual does not mean spiritualizing away Heaven (3rd), or God's own form.

A spiritual lesson cannot be drawn from the 3rd Heaven, without the natural 3rd Heaven existing first.

You are mixing things up.

The natural does not come first to God, but rather only to men born of the flesh.

On the contrary, God was and is spirit, and is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

 

[bbyrd009]

That is self-contradictory, even on the face of it. By saying it, the person is claiming to 'know' it, and yet the second half contradicts the first.

id hafta disagree, as the subject is imo more about saying.

Look up Tyndales "Easterlambe". Then parallel it with Passover in all the over verses, it's simple, and yes the translators knew exactly what they were doing.

i dont think he had a clue tbh, like most other believers, but at the same time those were diff times, and i do unnerstand the "easterlamb" attempt ok

see, he surely came from the same perspective of "when we all get to heaven" that we all started with too
few there are who find it
as long as it is "today..."
Hebrews 3:13 Lexicon: But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called "Today," so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.
Hebrews 3:13

Easterlambe has nothing to do with Ishtar, or paganism.

ok
but you cant Quote it tho huh

i mean what Christian believer buying bunnies for their kids and having Easter egg hunts at their effing congregations for God's sake would be admitting that they are pagan or Ishtar either right? narf, cmon bro

 

[bbyrd009]

You are mixing things up.

The natural does not come first to God, but rather only to men born of the flesh.

On the contrary, God was and is spirit, and is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

as above, so below right
(ok on earth as it is in heaven)

but as to mixing things up, seems pretty set on the appearances so far imo
narf
yikes i'm evil lol

but from our pov natch first, sure

 

[Stranger]

What does the name Israel mean according to scripture?

What does it matter. You ask questions and I answered. What is your point. You just want to ask questions?

Stranger

 

[Nancy]

broccoli freaks out when you pick it too i guess, i could dig up a link if you like. Regardless, i'm pretty sure our fondness for fauna is not so healthy myself, try to use it as more of a flavoring or condiment now
i just ran across a source for unpasteurized, unhomoed goat's milk at $12 a gallon (!), been quick-chilled and everything--iow no goaty taste--could be shipped, only thing is it is only available at that price in their off-season, which is now coming to a close. But it doesnt go up by a whole lot even in season. Not strictly organic but i saw the goats, good supplemental feed, etc, but not organic hay. So, $12 a gal right now + dry ice + shipping and handling, but i am used to paying $22 a quart! Ah ok, or more, up here, tho it is beyond organic, $24 a quart here...today anyway

Also i guess the guy can freeze the milk and ship it, but freezing destroys most of the biotics, much like pasteurizing. Still i would much prefer freeze-pasteurized over heat myself

yes, imo there are ATs in Scripture, "_________, about a day's walk from ________," like that. If you find any spiritual ATs post em and we'll see i guess. I'm not so much interested in my opinion there, if 1 can get 2 others (3 iow) to agree, that qualifies imo

the promised land was about a days walk from Egypt?? Yikes, 22 bucks a quart :O why not just buy yourself a goat! lol.

 

[ReChoired]

What does it matter. You ask questions and I answered. What is your point. You just want to ask questions?

Stranger

You see, we are still seeing if your belief is valid or invalid, by asking questions and going to the scriptures. I have found that when people refuse to delve into their belief by the questions asked, there is an issue in the belief that doesn't desire to be exposed, or come into the light, and so I ask why is that? What is it about the belief that is so cherished it is unwilling to be given up? Truth is unashamed, truth always bears witness. It is the lie (I do not call you a liar, I am speaking of ideologies specifically, "the") that at first parades, but when seriously challenged reverses to skulking in shadows.

 

[bbyrd009]

the promised land was about a days walk from Egypt?

ha no sry; i meant i recall ATs that went something like what i posted lol. "Paul was from Tarsus" would be another

Yikes, 22 bucks a quart :O why not just buy yourself a goat! lol.

ha, beentheredonethat, and yikers, ever tried to milk a goat? Plus you gotta quick-chill it if you dont want goaty tasting milk...plus you gotta feed the goat...plus goats are smarter than we are, swear to God, and bored, so you basically have an intelligent bored prisoner pulling passive(not so much)-aggressive(quite a bit) stuff on you all day long just for fun, and i swear you can even watch them looking at each other and laughing at you. Plus you gotta mate the goat once a year. Plus you gotta keep it healthy. Plus, plusplus. It's $24 a quart here! Do cow imo

 

[ReChoired]

as above, so below right
(ok on earth as it is in heaven)...

Yes, the occult, took that which was God's and twisted it to their purposes. God is speaking about doing His will, while the occult link their destiny/purpose to heavenly bodies of sun, moon, stars and planets, and yet even here, there are evil angels in high places, enslaving men to their own will.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes, the occult, took that which was God's and twisted it to their purposes. God is speaking about doing His will, while the occult link their destiny/purpose to heavenly bodies of sun, moon, stars and planets, and yet even here, there are evil angels in high places, enslaving men to their own will.

do you get the diff in satan's and the naive dialectic?
just as lightning flashes from east to west...

or, why do orientals play baseball games to deliberate ties?

 

[ReChoired]

id hafta disagree, as the subject is imo more about saying....

You are now claiming to 'know' what the 'saying' is about and that is still self-contradictory according to the sentence. And is still contradictory, since if you say it is not about 'knowing', and only merely 'saying', then you do not 'know' the sentence to be true and is unproven which again contradicts itself, or even by experience and are still in ignorance (not knowing), merely guessing, grasping at straws, attempting to appear wise, when yet wisdom requires 'knowing', not 'saying'.

 

[bbyrd009]

naive (eastern) dialectic

hegelian (satan's) dialectic
the way we learn to talk/think iow

You are now claiming to 'know' what the 'saying' is about and that is still self-contradictory according to the sentence.

i am not claiming jack wadr, that was a Scripture Quote, that you may interp however you like, and if you dont then you should take that up with the Author :)

And is still contradictory, since if you say it is not about 'knowing', and only merely 'saying', then you do not 'know' the sentence to be true and is unproven which again contradicts itself, or even by experience and are still in ignorance (not knowing), merely guessing, grasping at straws, attempting to appear wise, when yet wisdom requires 'knowing', not 'saying'.

i pass wind in your general direction, no offense, only bc i am still o'cult i guess lol.
There is a picture of the tapestry, and then there is the tapestry, imo, and dont lie you got the pitcher from Some Guy signed a Contract for Jesus just like i did k

501 (6)
c3 (6)
1023 (6)
ahem

so wadr i say again, you dont even know what you dont know yet, and you are spewing factoids at ppl been saved and mostly earnestly seeking 20 years before you first saw water, ok. But bam preach on sis, go 'head. Bc we dont have enough knowitalls here narf

 

[ReChoired]

...but you cant Quote it tho huh...

See also the Matthews Bible:

1 Corinthians 5:7 Pourge therfore the olde leuen, that ye may be new dowe, as ye are swete bread. For Christ oure easterlambe is offered vp for vs. - Link

When was Christ Jesus offered up for us?

They understood the feasts of Leviticus 23 (23:4-14), in that the Passover was the sacrifice, 14 Abib, and that it followed 14 days from the New Moon, which would also include the days following, such as the first day of unleavened bread, and firstfruits, since they are all tied together. vs 3. 'the days of unleavened bread', and it was on passover that they began the eating of unleavened bread, Exo 12:8,11, &c.

 

[bbyrd009]

See also the Matthews Bible

oh hell no, tyvm, see the original lang if you know whats good for you (little know joke there fa ya)
just ask Lex if you dont know where to go
imo
1 Corinthians 5:7 Lexicon: Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.
yup, no easters in there at all huh

have a nice eve, ima go smoke something now bye
marinated elk loin, mmm

 

[bbyrd009]

Y do U believe what U believe, and do U have good reasons 4 those beliefs? - let's find out


scribes, huh :rolleyes

 

[ReChoired]

Hello RC :)
I watched the whole video. It was very informative and many things here I have thought of, mostly over the last five or so years. I am going to take his challenge by the grace of God! And try to move closer to the "diet" God always meant for both humans and animals in TGOE (hey @bbyrd009 , how do you like that one ) He likes his acronyms, lol...sry, digressing. A new diet that is old as dirt: Must take care of our temples...
I was surprised he didn't mention Matthew 15:11

"11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

Also Acts 10:14-15

"14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common."

Then I think of the Prodigal Son and the fatted calf...?

Well, as one who teaches/preaches, I would like to suggest, that time is a factor in any 'service', so as not to weary the saints and onlookers. :) This being a generous approach, or suggestion, to the possible reason. Hours upon hours could be spent on the subject, as I already know. :)

I am glad the presentation was helpful to you. If you would like to discuss any of it, would be glad to.

"All Creation groans..." I sure hope plants that do live and breathe also, do not feel pain

Plants, according to Genesis are a self-replicating food source. Yet, in the saying, "All creation groans ...", is metaphorically speaking, and yet also true in plain, in that there is upheaval even in the rocks, plants and so on, with earthquakes (causing the earth to cry out in loud deep sounds), trees fading, breaking (also making sounds in their falling, breaking), and so on.

Cheese will be a toughie for me. but then...God.

Also for me. I used to eat it by the brick, and especially this time of year when it was what was required as a 'gift' along with salami (I wasn't always Seventh-day Adventist you see). However, you will not regret it if you do leave it behind, as it is killing people by causing osteoporosis, and high aciditic systems, asthma, and so on.

I know you are SDA

I am Seventh-day Adventist to be sure. Thank you for noticing and so voicing. I find it easier for people to see that on their own, though I am never ashamed to just state it, or reply when asked about it. This is how it should be for all who claim to follow Christ. We ought to be known by our simple living and teaching, and it should be obvious. As an observation, most of what passes for Christianity today is a hot blurred amalgamational mess, with their theology in continual flux, and so represented in their own lifestyle.

... and there are many good posts I have seen on here by some of my SDA brothers and sisters. Not at all big on anything extra-biblical as, they all seem to sometimes be incorrect with their prophecies and ...

Would you briefly explain 2-3 'incorrect ... prophecies'? I do not mind looking at my own beliefs in broad daylight before all. What concerns me, though, is that I have studied, and have not found a single incorrect prophecy, yet let us test this also. :) I await your next reply, and my love, which comes of God, to you.

...

, how many times are we warned about false prophets? If they are wrong even one time then to me, they are false prophets: Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Sorry...so off topic again

We are warned many times in scripture about false prophets, and I could provide such a list, but would be over-doing it I think. I have read Deuteronomy 18:20-22 and fully agree with it. I would agree that if an unconditional prophecy were given and it turned out to be incorrect, it would be false. I do not think you are off topic whatsoever, as the entire thread is about what we believe, and that includes myself. :) Feel free to prod some, but I would ask that you seriously consider what I respond with. Ok?

... Back to the meat and such. I agree with you dead on there. Coffee?? yikes! Cheese, yikes!
As far as eggs, butter and milk (I drink Almond milk if I drink it at all, or walnut milk but I tend to drink that way too much, lol...
Even though as you say: "neither as much as is possible in this world of deceit, do I any longer eat animal 'products', byproducts (milk, cheese, dairy, eggs, whey and so on)." ( Itals mine) Do you mean because of how these by-products are produced?

I was speaking about products from the market, and their 'endless' list of ingredients that sometimes will catch a person off guard, being deceitful as they are. I will give a specific for instance that happened to me. I looked for a cheese substitute that was (not a perfect replacement at the time, lots of oils) not made with dairy. I picked up a package, and saw on the front in big letters, "Dairy-Free", and used it for awhile, believing them manufacturers to be forthright and honest in advertising (lesson learned, never again :) ), and it worked for what was needed then. I came to find out by reading the back of the long list of ingredients, that it contained "whey", which is "dairy", but according to manufacture "definition" the two are not the same thing, and they could label their product as non-dairy, while it contained "whey" from cows milk in it. I suffered with allergies and asthma for years (and found out it was from the dairy). They in fact, by their false advertising could kill someone, by a serious allergic reaction and go into anaphylactic shock, or lung inflamation. I was really angry at myself, and even more at them for that deceit. All for a dollar (fiat debt note). The love of money is the root of all evil (even including Lucifer's fall and rebellion, but that is another story).

Also, 'natural flavours' could mean nearly anything.

I think that is an important aspect why we give Him thanks and ask His blessing on the food?

Everything is stamped with the blood of Jesus, for all was purchased with it.

JMHO and I hope you don't take offence.

Not at all sister. Really. I find yourself and posts, open, honest, refreshing, compared to some others in here. I did not expect you to necessarily agree with everything I say. :)

PS
One thing I love about you SDA's is that you can meet another of your Church/body anywhere in the world and be able to discuss the same sermon
God Bless

In a certain sense that is true, if the congregation are truly Seventh-day Adventist, and not merely in name only (Lord, Lord), though there are many wolves, goats and Judas' these days.