Amen.
May he truly show these mercy in this life and give to them the heart of flesh, removing the hardened stone of unbelief from them !
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God !
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May he truly show these mercy in this life and give to them the heart of flesh, removing the hardened stone of unbelief from them !
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God !
Ritajanice
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Heart of flesh comes at the rebirth/ Born of God...that’s when we receive the new heart and Spirit within...when we have been birthed in the Spirit....” BY GOD” and not before.....that’s when the Holy Spirit starts working , the day we receive that new heart and Spirit within...we are his....and he WILL make us into the image of Christ,,, by his power and not ridiculous power that some humans think they have...
18 Where God's love is, there is no fear, because God's perfect love drives out fear. It is punishment that makes a person fear, so love is not made perfect in the person who fears.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 John 4:18
18 Where God's love is, there is no fear, because God's perfect love drives out fear. It is punishment that makes a person fear, so love is not made perfect in the person who fears.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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BarneyFife
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No one really needs to claim or own it. God says He's coming to destroy sin and unrepentant sinners.
Revelation 11:18
“And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.”
Matthew 10:28
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
I see that you're having to deal with a lot of "us-and-them" sentiment. I really hate that. I guess there's no stopping that nonsense until Jesus comes.
These days I describe God as a Person so just that he would do this to a Person who was carrying the weight of the sin of the whole world:
And, at the same time, I see Him as this completely innocent Person who would so mercifully subject Himself to this kind of treatment to save others who are guilty of the very things He is being punished for:
And I have surrendered to the intellectual limitation that such a paradox makes very clear.
But, then, I'm only a hope-filled Adventist. ;)
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I obviously want to get past a surface (literal) reading of such passages and find how it fits in the BIG picture.
What is God really about? Is punishing sinners really his end game? Is that what this was all about?
I don't think so.
What happens to the wood hay and stubble when God tests it? (destroyed)
But even the one left with nothing is still saved.
"... even though only as one escaping through the flames." - 1 Corinthians 3:15 NIV
Thanks.I see that you're having to deal with a lot of "us-and-them" sentiment. I really hate that. I guess there's no stopping that nonsense until Jesus comes.
I really appreciate you and your uplifting comments.
LOL - Perfect ending to a GREAT post, thanks.
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Yes, a paradox. To which we surrender our intellectual limitations.
Good thing that salvation does not require us to perfectly articulate who God is and what the BIG picture is.
We all have our own story. And in THAT we are over-comers.
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Not according to the gospel of some here. They think it is the devil we are to fear.
I see that you're having to deal with a lot of "us-and-them" sentiment. I really hate that. I guess there's no stopping that nonsense until Jesus comes.
2Jo 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jo 1:10
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
And "How can two walk together except they be agreed?"
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Surrender to which spirit is the question.
The big picture is what we see that it is in scripture - God has not shied away from telling us. There will be a new order of things and sadly there are many who will not have any part in it.
That is talking about some believers...........not those who don't belong to Christ. Believers have a foundation that they are building on remember? You better get to know the scriptures and let them teach you, a lot better than you know them now.....making it up as you go along leads very far astray.
If by chance you have trouble concentrating maybe try reading with hymns playing in the background to quiet any restless spirits....or try listening to a recorded bible. Just get the word of God into you somehow, and meditate on it prayerfully....The Lord will also bring to remembrance passages that you need and start to connect dots.
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Once again, God described as a cosmic tyrant.
Might be better off being incinerated that live with that for eternity.
At that rate everyone will be toast eventually.
An omniscient deity with anger management issues?
A recipe for disaster. Fear the Lord for sure.
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St. SteVen said:
What happens to the wood hay and stubble when God tests it? (destroyed)
But even the one left with nothing is still saved.
"... even though only as one escaping through the flames." - 1 Corinthians 3:15 NIV
Don't you want your rewards?
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 NIV
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.
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What happens to the wood hay and stubble when God tests it? (destroyed)
But even the one left with nothing is still saved.
"... even though only as one escaping through the flames." - 1 Corinthians 3:15 NIV
Only some? Not everyone will have their works evaluated?
Don't you want your rewards?
1 Corinthians 3:12-15 NIV
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.
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Once again you avoid talking about what the scriptures do say. I assume and have seen much evidence that you don't know them very well.
God's anger is not like man's fleshly anger, it is higher and pure. You should truly get to know Him better.
All believers are salted by fire as we go along.....the Lord chastises who He loves as sons....trials and tribs. It is through much tribulation that we enter the kingdom of heaven. (bible)
1 Cor. 3 is talking about the end, the Day of the Lord, which will reveal and burn up everything that is not of Him. True Believers who are in Christ who have their work burned up may survive that fire, while their works will not. (Works that are wrought in Christ, His Spirit, will survive that fire, while works that are done in the flesh won't.) Expect that Unbelievers, not being of Him, will also be burned up in that Day. Our God is a consuming fire to burn up that which is impure and unholy.........it's not that He is going to have a hissy fit like a human person might......it's simply His NATURE. He is HOLY, HOLY, HOLY.....and He is COMING with His entire nature revealed, no longer being shielded to us, that's what His coming is all about....He is COMING to this earth and this physical realm wont be able to take it and stand/exist in His Holy presence. (Like Earth's atmosphere currently shields us from the full brunt of the sun.) Oh, Lord, this makes me tremble inside. We've been duly warned. This time of grace and longsuffering has an appointed end....in the meantime we are to account the longsuffering of the Lord means salvation (2Peter 3)...it's a time when souls can be brought into Christ (ark) and saved before that Day of judgment happens.
2Pe 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Manifestation in the physical realm when the atmosphere is burned up and dissolved...? Scripture also says men's hearts will be failing them for fear of what is coming on the earth. The earth waxing old like a garment. This is going to get very real.....we need to be praying for whoever will be around in that time, maybe some of us, our children, grandchildren, the lost, we just dont know when.....pray for a harvest of souls and that God will keep His own in His perfect peace when things start getting very scary.
Is a a Bible-believing Christian required to abandon all rational thought and join the apologetic-parroting automatons?
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amigo de christo
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contrite . sorrowful . not JUSTIYERS of SIN . i dont see contrite in those who celebrate and honor sin .
Let us remember that well the next time a preacher or any tries to convince us that those who JUSTIFY certain sins
do honor to GOD and know GOD . Be blessed my friend but far too many seem to be picking up
this all inclusive many path to GOD rainbow holding mantra . THEY sure dont seem sorrowful about sin at all .
Rather they justify it .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
knowing therefore the TERROR of GOD we persaude men ..............
Today that has become knowing the all inclusive sin accepting many path accepting love of GOD
we warn men to repent of the TRUE GOSPEL and correction of said sins within the church .
Satan is sneaky , but the lambs dont heed him . BIBLE is our book , GOD our GOD , CHRIST our CHRIST
and the SPIRIT the lambs do heed . To the trenches sister , it be late in the hour and time draws ever short .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Rather what is gonna burn up . Anything and all things that are and were contrary to the WORD and words of GOD .
BIBLE TIME folks . let us learn THAT JESUS CHRIST and that DOCTRINE well for ourselves . cause many many , many and many many
decievers do abound . SHHH there always out there and amongst the many within christendom . DONT HEED THEM
let us heed n read rather the bible for ourselves .
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