WOMEN ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCH

[1stCenturyLady]

If what you determined was true, then 1 Cor. 14:2 is not true scripture.

Sorry I dont get what you are saying......care to clarify?

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

Did you mean that the 3,000 heard them speak in tongues and naturally heard their own language?
Or did you mean that the 3,000 heard them speak in tongues and supernaturally heard their own language?

So, naturally or supernaturally?

 

[Grailhunter]

The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
1st Corinthians 14:34-35

Children should be seen but not heard!

Because only adult men are important in the eyes of God!

Shut up, hand me the remote and get me a beer wench!

As Christians we look upon the family dinner table as a good thing….Good Grace and prayer, good company, good conversation, and good food. It is one the first places that children learn about manners and putting God in context.

Go back 500 years and children were not allowed at the dinner table.

Go back 2000 years and women and children may not have been allowed in the same building. Us Menz deserve some peace and quiet. Thanks for the food but put it down and shut up and get out of the room.
Now a days Christianity has a focus on the family......1st century Christianity.....nope.

The women are to keep silent in the churches!!! just as the Law also says!!!
Why was Paul bringing up THE LAW here?!!! When everywhere else and per the agreement in Jerusalem….we are not under the law.

Old habits die hard……Women will be saved in childbirthing…. if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint and wash the feet of the saints and shut up and don’t speak unless you have been spoken to!!!! And where is that beer!!!!

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.
Get the erasers out men!!!! We got to get rid of this scripture!!!!!

The preacher steps up to the pulpit and says…. Galatians 3:28-29 does not mean men and women are equal in the eyes of the Lord, it means God is blind and cannot tell the difference.

Still, if you are Bible Only…..better keep your women quiet. Is there an exact procedure for washing the feet of the saints?…..Is that before or after they cook dinner?

I stand with men and women in church and sing praises to the Lord. No restrictions for women in Christianity.

 

[Bob Estey]

Read it in context, this is within a Sunday like church worship meeting and related to prophesying, preaching, revelations, teachings.

Paul does not women interrupting a church service to question what is going on.

Order in Church Meetings​

26 How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for [h]edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 30 But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of [i]confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

34 Let [j]your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

Take the whole Bible in context. Where do Jesus or God ever say man is to rule over women? Remember when God put Deborah in charge of Israel?

 

[Doug]

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant.

Did you mean that the 3,000 heard them speak in tongues and naturally heard their own language?
Or did you mean that the 3,000 heard them speak in tongues and supernaturally heard their own language?

So, naturally or supernaturally?

We are told it was by and only by the Holy Ghost that this happened

[Act 2:4 KJV] 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Thanks for responding
Good discussion

 

[Grailhunter]

Where do Jesus or God ever say man is to rule over women?

Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you."

 

[1stCenturyLady]

We are told it was by and only by the Holy Ghost that this happened

[Act 2:4 KJV] 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Thanks for responding
Good discussion

I'm not talking about the believers in Jesus. I'm talking about those who were listening. I mentioned 3,000. There were only 120 disciples there with the Apostles.

Read these again and tell me which you believed.

Did you mean that the 3,000 heard them speak in tongues and naturally heard their own language?
Or did you mean that the 3,000 heard them speak in tongues and supernaturally heard their own language?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

WOMEN ARE TO KEEP SILENT IN THE CHURCH​

Church leaders are to be MEN according to God's Word...

Women were created by the Lord to serve in a helper role not in a role of authority.
Only men can serve in a role of authority according to scripture.

Quote from - 1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife

Quote from - Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God

Quote from - 1 Timothy 2:12,13
I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man

Related TRUTH from Scripture:

1 Corinthians 11:8,9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Genesis 2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


Concerning 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Paul gave two reasons, both of them are theological not cultural.

1. The created order: Adam was first created as an independent person, then Eve was created from his rib to be his helper. She was therefore not created to be independent of the man in authority.

2. Eve, and consequently all women, were placed under a penalty of the curse. This included pain in childbearing and that her husband would rule over her.

 

[Doug]

I'm not talking about the believers in Jesus. I'm talking about those who were listening. I mentioned 3,000. There were only 120 disciples there with the Apostles.

Read these again and tell me which you believed.

Did you mean that the 3,000 heard them speak in tongues and naturally heard their own language?
Or did you mean that the 3,000 heard them speak in tongues and supernaturally heard their own language?

Once again, I am not sure what you are getting at

 

[Bob Estey]

Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you."

That isn't a command. It's a prophesy, I believe. When Eve sinned, she set into motion a set of circumstances that would result in her husband ruling over her.

 

[ScottA]

[1Co 14:34 KJV] 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Women are not prohibited from talking in church. Women are restricted from teaching in the public setting of the local church.

The prohibition of women speaking in the church was not just under the law but was dictated by Paul and the revelations of Christ as well. Women and Men are assigned specific functions in the church by God.

[1Co 14:27-28 KJV] 27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Speaking in tongues was speaking in a foreign language.

Note in verse 27 that it is designated for men to speak in an unknown tongue and not women.

Not only are women to keep silence in the church, but in verse 28 men are to keep silence as well if there is no interpreter.

[1Co 14:35 KJV] 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Women were not to ask questions in public. They were to respect the headship of the husband and ask him at home.

Another way to look at the verse above can be seen below.

[1Co 14:29-31 KJV] 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Women could receive a revelation by the men speaking but could not contribute that in the church. They could then ask their husbands to share what she learned.

[1Ti 2:12 KJV] 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Women are not to usurp authority over men in the church. Women teaching in the church assembly would undermine the position men heold in the church.

[Tit 2:3-5 KJV] 3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Women are given duties and functions that only they can perform. Women could not teach over the men in the public local church but were given other ministries. They could teach children and young women. They could be teachers of good things.

EVERY TIME THIS QUESTION COMES UP men presume to be God rather than only portraying Him...and women cringe, as they should.

If we are of the Bride of Christ--we are ALL as women before God. Meaning: WE TOO SHOULD BE SILENT IN CHURCH, leaving only the voice of God.

 

[ScottA]

……Women will be saved in childbirthing….

This was referring to--without further explanation--until Jesus came filling in the details and preaching that unless we are born again (childbearing) we cannot see the kingdom or God.

 

[Grailhunter]

That isn't a command. It's a prophesy, I believe. When Eve sinned, she set into motion a set of circumstances that would result in her husband ruling over her.

LOL In this case it something between a curse, a prophecy, and a command……The intent is more or less the same.
And I think the statement “set into motion a set of circumstances” is wrong too.

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL In this case it something between a curse, a prophecy, and a command……The intent is more or less the same.
And I think the statement “set into motion a set of circumstances” is wrong too.

LOL?

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL In this case it something between a curse, a prophecy, and a command……The intent is more or less the same.
And I think the statement “set into motion a set of circumstances” is wrong too.

You like the idea of ruling over women?

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL In this case it something between a curse, a prophecy, and a command……The intent is more or less the same.
And I think the statement “set into motion a set of circumstances” is wrong too.

But then we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. Would you like a woman ruling over you?

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL In this case it something between a curse, a prophecy, and a command……The intent is more or less the same.
And I think the statement “set into motion a set of circumstances” is wrong too.

I think wanting to rule over another person is rather immature.

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL In this case it something between a curse, a prophecy, and a command……The intent is more or less the same.
And I think the statement “set into motion a set of circumstances” is wrong too.

History books are full of people who want to rule over other people - Hitler, Stalin, Mao. I think it's an unhealthy quality.

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL In this case it something between a curse, a prophecy, and a command……The intent is more or less the same.
And I think the statement “set into motion a set of circumstances” is wrong too.

You aren't your wife's boss. Jesus is your wife's boss.

 

[Grailhunter]

You like the idea of ruling over women?

Well that opens a big topic.
No, I have no interest in ruling over women.
My point is that if you are “Bible Only” The scriptures makes it absolutely clear that women were required to obey their husbands.

But people do not like, so they try to soften it, using non-specific scriptures.

Ruling over women is no longer a Christian custom.

But that is a change….a good change.

 

[Bob Estey]

Well that opens a big topic.
No, I have no interest in ruling over women.
My point is that if you are “Bible Only” The scriptures makes it absolutely clear that women were required to obey their husbands.

But people do not like, so they try to soften it, using non-specific scriptures.

Ruling over women is no longer a Christian custom.

But that is a change….a good change.

You and I are nobody's boss. Jesus is everybody's boss.