Why you don't have to speak in tongues - Or do you?

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David in NJ

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Which translation are you using?
And read vs 7-9 in that chapter.
Biblehub.com gives us the availability to compare bible versions

Use any that you like on chapters 13 & 14

Here is NJKV 1 Corinthians chapter 14

Would you please outline the key points of the Holy Spirit given gift of tongues from 1 Cor ch14

1Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. 3But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? 7Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? 8For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle? 9So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. 11Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. 12Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.

13Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding. 16Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say? 17For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.

18I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature.

21In the law it is written:

“With men of other tongues and other lips
I will speak to this people;
And yet, for all that, they will not hear Me,”
says the Lord.

Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe. 23Therefore if the whole church comes together in one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an uninformed person comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. 25And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face, he will worship God and report that God is truly among you.

How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 29Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. 30But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 31For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

34Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.

36Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 37If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

39Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. 40Let all things be done decently and in order.
 

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Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me
This about sums it up right here
 

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What does this isolated verse "sum up"?
If YOU don't know what you are saying then God doesn't either. That's what this verse is saying.

God doesn't have any specific language. This is a notion made out of whole cloth that people have created from this passage. (Omniscience is God's hallmark)

Why people want to bring God down to a human level of communication is beyond my understanding. Yes, God communicates with Humans...but we are not like God except as in a mirrored reflection. God is not like man either. Completely different from man. Not subject to our notions of limited communication means such as language.

IOW....back to formula and start over.
 

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Its from the bible St Paul himself I didn't write it lets just omit that from the bible because it doesn't work for you.Just pick and choose it how you want it to
1 Corinthians 14:26-28

I quoted a bible line get a big black marker and black out 1 Corinthians 14:26-28.It doesn't come from me but you sure are trying to make it only me.
The conclusion..,

…and let him speak to himself, and to God.

This is the value of unknown tongues.
 
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If YOU don't know what you are saying then God doesn't either. That's what this verse is saying.

God doesn't have any specific language. This is a notion made out of whole cloth that people have created from this passage. (Omniscience is God's hallmark)

Why people want to bring God down to a human level of communication is beyond my understanding. Yes, God communicates with Humans...but we are not like God except as in a mirrored reflection. God is not like man either. Completely different from man. Not subject to our notions of limited communication means such as language.

IOW....back to formula and start over.
If YOU don't know what you are saying then God doesn't either.
REALLY???
That is NOT what verse 11 states nor implies.

verse 11 is Paul stating human to human, NOT human to God.

Paul, the Holy Spirit filled tongue(gibberish) speaking Apostle said that those believers with the gift of tongues DO NOT speak to man,
but only God understands.

v2 - "For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands, however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries."

Are you rejecting the words of God in verse 2?


 

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Are you rejecting the words of God in verse 2?
Are you playing "the God card" to end the discussion? (or win the argument)


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If Satan presents as an angel of light then his spirit presents as that of being holy. How does one tell the difference?
Requires spiritual discernment, I suppose.
Even in English.

1 Corinthians 14:29 NIV
Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said.

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Psam 2
Therefore be wise, O kings;
be admonished, O judges of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry
and you perish in your rebellion,

when His wrath ignites in an instant.
Blessed are all who take refuge in Him.

Romans 16:16 - Greet one another with a holy kiss.

But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up.

Kiss the Son Today and let HIM take you by the hand that you may rise above unbelief.
Kissing the Son is far different to what you were demonstrating!
F2F
 

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If Satan presents as an angel of light then his spirit presents as that of being holy. How does one tell the difference?
How can Satan be transformed into an angel of light when it is taught that he was transformed from an angel of light because of his rebellion?
 

David in NJ

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Are you playing "the God card" to end the discussion? (or win the argument)


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i do not play cards = never cared for it

God's word, known as the Holy Scriptures, contain the Truth that JESUS and the Apostles and the OT Prophets attest to = for us

This commandment from the LORD Jesus Christ applies to everyone.
Matthew 4:4 "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God."

Are we living by His commandments???
John 14:15 - "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

These people are = Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

and these people also = Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
 

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REALLLY?

How so?
When you agree with someone who shares the same error, it cannot truly be compared to "kissing the Son."

The spiritual gifts ceased once the Gospel no longer required miraculous signs to validate it. Many so-called believers claim to speak in tongues, which I have witnessed firsthand, but none of them speak on behalf of God.
 

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When you agree with someone who shares the same error, it cannot truly be compared to "kissing the Son."

The spiritual gifts ceased once the Gospel no longer required miraculous signs to validate it. Many so-called believers claim to speak in tongues, which I have witnessed firsthand, but none of them speak on behalf of God.
The spiritual gifts ceased once the Gospel no longer required miraculous signs to validate it.
If this were truth we would easily SEE this in CLEAR straightforward scripture = but none of which you assert exist in scripture.

In FACT,
God has already given to us the EXACT time when the gifts cease as given to us in Genesis, Gospel, Acts, 1 Corinthians and Revelation.

These are the Scriptural locations whereby God permanently and precisely declared His giving of the Gifts and His taking away.

If Satan presents as an angel of light then his spirit presents as that of being holy. How does one tell the difference?
The only Way is: One must know God and His Word and be filled with the Holy Spirit
 

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When you agree with someone who shares the same error, it cannot truly be compared to "kissing the Son."

The spiritual gifts ceased once the Gospel no longer required miraculous signs to validate it. Many so-called believers claim to speak in tongues, which I have witnessed firsthand, but none of them speak on behalf of God.
Kissing the son per Psalm 2 will occur at the millennial reign when all the nations shall pay homage to Jesus Christ. That is a prophecy of the future.