Why I believe in the rapture.

[Taken]

Paul and John went to heaven and came back

Do you believe there are "heaven(S)"?

 

[Keraz]

* The Challenge IS, Because "some Rapture believers SAY: POINT (2) Raptured TO Heaven."

Do you not think the 'harparzo is to heaven?
If so, you are scripturally correct: When Jesus Returns, He will send out His angels to gather His own people to where He is. Matthew 24:30-31 Initially in the clouds, then to Jerusalem.

Paul and John went to heaven and came back

Both cases were when they were in the Spirit. Revelation 4:2 and 2 Corinthians 12:2.

Gripping onto the 'rapture to heaven' theory, just leaves people clueless as to what really will happen.

 

[Taken]

Do you not think the 'harparzo is to heaven?

Which heaven?

 

[Oseas]

Psalm 7:v.11-13: - 11 God Judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every Day(a Day=1.000 years). 12 If he turn not, he will whet His Sword; he hath bent His BOW, and made it ready. 13 He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His ARROWS against the persecutors.

1Peter 4:v.17 - 17 The time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The time of the the END of ALL THINGS arrived, and simultaneously the ETERNAL chastisements. The manifestation of GOD's wrath and the punishments against the current Devil's world with its Power and Glory are underway, the chastisements will be for everlasting, without END, they will have no END from now on.

And except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake these days shall be shortened.

In fact, GOD's wrath started to severely punish the wicked nations of the Devil's world, the chastisements - several chastisements- are underway since a year and a half ago, and will still continue, day after day in the days ahead. There will be only and only chastisements in this seventh and last millennium, they will not have ending, they will be for EVER and EVER, the GOD's wrath will not have END, it's for everlasting time from now on.

Get ready, even if you are one of the elects,if you be not ready to face the hostil environmemnt to come, how will you support the terrible days to come, days such as never was since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. By the way, for the elect's sake these days in very near future shall be shortened in one week divided in two periods of 3,5 year, and in each half period of 3,5 years GOD will execute His extrange works -the Word is GOD- making perish the souls into the hell's fire, except them wich are of Him obviously.

2 Thessalonians 1:v.7 to 10
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not His gospel,...
9 Which will be PUNISHED with everlasting destruction (eternal perdition) from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power;
10 When He shall come (in the days ahead or days to come) to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in this Day. - the Lord's Day -

Be careful and get ready

Isaiah 26:v.20-21
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Get ready

 

[Timtofly]

Why I believe in the rapture.
OP ^

Related Topic:
Heaven;
Believe IN multiple things (levels) called Heaven(S)?

I Believe THAT ^.

Gen 1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 2
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

* One issue I have observed repeatedly IS:
People who claim, they DO NOT BELIEVE IN the RAPTURE...
Use the Challenging Scripture...
POINT (1) No man has gone up to Heaven, but He who came down from Heaven.

* The Challenge IS, Because "some Rapture believers SAY: POINT (2) Raptured TO Heaven."

I believe:
POINT (1) and POINT (2) are both correct.

On its face appears contradictory...
Fact is, it's a Difference of Understanding.
Some Understand HOW there are Differences, SOME don't.

It is not that humans are banned from God's presence. It is sin and human nature that is corrupted by sin. God has a permanent incorruptible body free of sin for those souls of His, who arrive home.

 

[Oseas]

And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: (no more salvation, on the contrary, they are destined for eternal contempt.

and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs(dogs? Isaiah 56:v.10-11), and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: (Daniel 12:v.10 - 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand)

Psalm 7:v.11-13: - 11 God Judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every Day(a Day=1.000 years). 12 If he turn not, he will whet His Sword; he hath bent His BOW, and made it ready. 13 He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His ARROWS against the persecutors.

1Peter 4:v.17 - 17 The time is come that Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

The time of the the END of ALL THINGS arrived, and simultaneously the ETERNAL chastisements. The manifestation of GOD's wrath and the punishments against the current Devil's world with its Power and Glory are underway, the chastisements will be for everlasting, without END, the chastisements will have no END from now on, the GOD's wrath is for ever. The Word is GOD.

 

[n2thelight]

The individual in the video clip falsely teaches (The Day Of The Lord) is a literal 1,000 year millennium on this earth

(The Day of The Lord) represents the Second Coming and final judgement, when the heavens and earth are dissolved by the Lords fire (The End)

The 2nd coming starts the Day of the Lord which is the millennium . Yes, it is a literal 1000 years .It's not the finale judgement ,that happens at the Great White Throne Judgement .

Nobody will die the 2nd death at the 2nd coming, however ALL shall be changed into their spiritual bodies .

 

[Truth7t7]

The 2nd coming starts the Day of the Lord which is the millennium . Yes, it is a literal 1000 years .It's not the finale judgement ,that happens at the Great White Throne Judgement .

Nobody will die the 2nd death at the 2nd coming, however ALL shall be changed into their spiritual bodies .

The 2nd Coming And (Day Of The Lord) Is (The End Of This World)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Truth7t7]

The 2nd coming starts the Day of the Lord which is the millennium . Yes, it is a literal 1000 years .It's not the finale judgement ,that happens at the Great White Throne Judgement .

Nobody will die the 2nd death at the 2nd coming, however ALL shall be changed into their spiritual bodies .

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[n2thelight]

The 2nd Coming And (Day Of The Lord) Is The (End Of This World)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

First you must understand that there are 3 Heaven and earth ages ,you got the right verses but not the right division.

What did Paul tell us in 1 Corinth 15 ?,Let's see and then we'll zoom back to 2nd Peter

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Paul is now going to show us a mystery that deals with our generation, for a mystery is something that cannot be understood. However, when the details and clues of the mystery are know, then it is no longer a mystery. This mystery deals with a time when something is going to happen all over the earth to all flesh bodies, when these flesh bodies are not die anymore. Why will this be? Because all people living in their flesh bodies will be changed instantly from their flesh bodies, into their new incorruptible bodies. We have already established that each of us have two bodies, one is of the flesh, and the other body is a spiritual body that is within our flesh body. The spiritual body is not made alive or freed from the flesh body until the flesh body is done away with.

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

This happens at the 7th Trump

Now 2nd Peter ,and the 3 earth ages

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

Most Christians today, and all of the worldly people today are willingly placing their selves in ignorance on this matter of the creation. Old as it is spoken of here is very ancient, goes far back before the time of Noah and Adam, and even before the creation of the animal world and the earth age as we know it now. Peter is telling you that in the far past, there was a first earth age. Not a different world or planet, but the same planet [earth] existing in a time frame prior to as the earth exist today. The same world, but a different world age or time frame.

II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

That world age or cosmos that existed in that ancient time of the past, and everything that was a part of it was destroyed completely. All life on it was completely done away with. God destroyed it completely and it happened at Satan's overthrow. Many people believe that this flood was the flood of Noah's day, however, the flood of Noah's day did not destroy this world age, life from before that flood carried right over into the dispensation that followed one year later, after the waters had subsided.

II Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

This is in reference to the second heaven and earth age which we are living in now. This earth age will not be destroyed until God's time of judgment on the ungodly men of this earth has come to a close. That time of perdition [destruction] is after the Millennium age, and after the Great white throne judgment. Then will come the consuming fire. Hebrews 12:19 tells us that "Our God is a consuming fire." There will be no destroying of the earth by nuclear warfare, nor by greenhouse gasses or flood or any other man made causes. God is reserving the final judgment of this earth and mankind for His own judgment. Before that time can come, the events or prophecies that concern this earth will all have taken place, and that includes the "great apostasy", or falling away when the entire world will go whoring after Satan, the Antichrist.

II Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

That means one week is 7,000 years, and we are coming to the Sabbath of that week very shortly, which the common name for the next thousand years is the "Millennium age".

 

[Oseas]

GOD, the Father, knows in what 24hs day of this seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day-the Lord's Day-JESUS will return to rule the world. The Word is GOD.

By the way, we are living in the beginning of the FIRST CENTURY of the seventh and last millennium, but what JESUS said in Matthew 24:v.15 to 26 about the great tribulation of the people of Israel, it needs yet to be fulfilled LITERALLY, not only the GT but also the STRONG DELUSION which GOD will simultaneously send in fulfilment of Daniel 9:v.27-the last week-for eternal perdition of the Jewish unbelivers, whose last week of seven years is within this last decade of the Devil's world.

Ending the period of 7 years and the Great Tribulation, JESUS will come in a of 24hs day, or day 1.335, as is written in the Word of GOD. Dan.12:v.12. The Word is GOD, understand?

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:v.8

 

[Truth7t7]

First you must understand that there are 3 Heaven and earth ages ,you got the right verses but not the right division.

What did Paul tell us in 1 Corinth 15 ?,Let's see and then we'll zoom back to 2nd Peter

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Paul is now going to show us a mystery that deals with our generation, for a mystery is something that cannot be understood. However, when the details and clues of the mystery are know, then it is no longer a mystery. This mystery deals with a time when something is going to happen all over the earth to all flesh bodies, when these flesh bodies are not die anymore. Why will this be? Because all people living in their flesh bodies will be changed instantly from their flesh bodies, into their new incorruptible bodies. We have already established that each of us have two bodies, one is of the flesh, and the other body is a spiritual body that is within our flesh body. The spiritual body is not made alive or freed from the flesh body until the flesh body is done away with.

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

This happens at the 7th Trump

Now 2nd Peter ,and the 3 earth ages

II Peter 3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"

Most Christians today, and all of the worldly people today are willingly placing their selves in ignorance on this matter of the creation. Old as it is spoken of here is very ancient, goes far back before the time of Noah and Adam, and even before the creation of the animal world and the earth age as we know it now. Peter is telling you that in the far past, there was a first earth age. Not a different world or planet, but the same planet [earth] existing in a time frame prior to as the earth exist today. The same world, but a different world age or time frame.

II Peter 3:6 "Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"

That world age or cosmos that existed in that ancient time of the past, and everything that was a part of it was destroyed completely. All life on it was completely done away with. God destroyed it completely and it happened at Satan's overthrow. Many people believe that this flood was the flood of Noah's day, however, the flood of Noah's day did not destroy this world age, life from before that flood carried right over into the dispensation that followed one year later, after the waters had subsided.

II Peter 3:7 "But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

This is in reference to the second heaven and earth age which we are living in now. This earth age will not be destroyed until God's time of judgment on the ungodly men of this earth has come to a close. That time of perdition [destruction] is after the Millennium age, and after the Great white throne judgment. Then will come the consuming fire. Hebrews 12:19 tells us that "Our God is a consuming fire." There will be no destroying of the earth by nuclear warfare, nor by greenhouse gasses or flood or any other man made causes. God is reserving the final judgment of this earth and mankind for His own judgment. Before that time can come, the events or prophecies that concern this earth will all have taken place, and that includes the "great apostasy", or falling away when the entire world will go whoring after Satan, the Antichrist.

II Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

That means one week is 7,000 years, and we are coming to the Sabbath of that week very shortly, which the common name for the next thousand years is the "Millennium age".

We Will Strongly Disagree, When Jesus Christ Returns Its (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Oseas]

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And the nations will be angry, and GOD's wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear HIS name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. By the way, what is His name? Acts 4:v.12

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And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and Judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Hosea 6:v.2-3
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third Day-John 2:v.19-the seventh and last millennium- He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and He shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

What sign show you unto us, seeing that you does these things? Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. The third DAY arrived, as was prophesied by Hosea centuries before Christ.

By the way, it is good to have lamp -the Word of GOD- but if someone else have not oil
it will be a waste of time to look for whoever is selling it.

Get ready

 

[Taken]

Why I believe in the rapture.
^ OP

WHY?
Because I TRUST Gods Knowledge Revealed.

Gods Knowledge revealed:
*) God sits in His Heaven.
*) Gods Heaven is His Heaven ABOVE the Heavens. Eph 4:10
*) Gods Wrath upon unbelievers OF and UPON the Earth.
*) Gods FIRST GREAT Wrath, WHILE God sat in His Heaven, revealed UPON the Earth, via a Flood.
*) Gods WRATH UPON the Earth IS CALLED Great Tribulation.
*) Gods FIRST GREAT Wrath, Destroyed ALL life UPON the face of the Earth.
*) God SAVED, Eight man-KIND of Earthly things, BY LIFTING THEM UP:
FROM: the face of the Earth...
TO: the face of the Waters...(Gen 7:18)
WHICH IS: the Clouds...
ALSO CALLED: the Lower Heavens, Sky's


Gen 1:

1. 
   
   
   • [6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
   • [7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
   • [8] And God called the firmament Heaven...

*) God revealed Another (and Last) Great display of Gods Wrath SHALL Be, UPON the Earth.

Matt 24:

1. 
   
   
   • [21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

*) AGAIN, as in Noah's day, as Gods SITS IN His High Heaven; Revealing HIS Wrath and Great Tribulation UPON THE EARTH...
* Confessed Believers, IN CHRIST; SHALL BE LIFTED UP FROM the face of the Earth...
TO the Clouds of Heavenly Waters;
* And the Face of Earth and it's inhabitants Subject to the Suffering of Gods Wrath.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The WORD "RAPTURE", is the English Translation of:
the Latin word; rapturo
the Greek word; harpazo
Which is expressly; By and Through the POWER OF GOD; IS a "SAVED KIND OF THING" Being LIFTED UP OFF the Face of the Earth. TO the clouds, ABOVE THE face OF the Earth.

*) An APPOINTMENT is a REQUIRED Participation.
*) All man-Kind of thing IS APPOINTED TO DIE, once. (Heb. 9:27)
*) All man-Kind of thing IS APPOINTED TO JUDGEMENT. (Heb. 9:27)

*) Men "IN CHRIST" are Expressly "NOT" OF the World, and Expressly "NOT APPOINTED" TO WRATH. (John 15:19 ~
1 Thes 5:9)

*) Men "IN CHRIST" are Expressly "ESCAPED" from the WRATH TO COME UPON the face of the Earth. (1 Cor 10:13)

*) Men IN and OF the world ARE Expressly APPOINTED to suffer Gods Wrath. (Rom 1:18)

*) Expressly "DURING PORTIONS" of the next and last Great Tribulation and Wrath coming DOWN FROM HEAVEN..."UPON" the EARTH and it's inhabitants...
"ONLY"... 144,003...ARE EXPRESSLY revealed being UPON the Earth, "AND" Expressly "PROTECTED" BY GOD, from being Affected BY the destruction of Gods WRATH UPON the Earth...and NONE of the 144,003, are called;
IN CHRIST.

Noah and seven other man-kind of forms were LIFTED UP approx 20+ feet Above the mountain tops, IN the CLOUDS of lower Heaven.

The Son of man Himself, who came Down from the Highest Heaven, in the likeness as a man, was Himself last Seen rising up to the Clouds of the lower Heaven, WHICH IS VISIBLE for earthly eyes to see.

Those called "IN CHRIST"...shall be Expressly risen UP to the Clouds, During the Wrath Coming Down from Heaven UPON the Earth.

*) Not a Big Mystery to Hear, Read, Learn and Trust to believe the Truth of What Gods Word Reveals....either YOU DO or YOU DO NOT Trust to believe Gods Word of Truth.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Do you not think the 'harparzo is to heaven?
If so, you are scripturally correct: When Jesus Returns, He will send out His angels to gather His own people to where He is. Matthew 24:30-31 Initially in the clouds, then to Jerusalem.

Gripping onto the 'rapture to heaven' theory, just leaves people clueless as to what really will happen.

Your condescending intent..
("Gripping...Rapture Theory" ) is utterly irrelevant.
My beliefs are NOT established upon YOUR opinions!

Agree, you are left "clueless".

"Harparzo in Greek, Rapturo in Latin, Rapture in English"... are all expressions of differenct languages having the same meaning.

** Removing the SAVED FROM the face of the Earth According to Gods WAY and POWER, TO; Keep Gods SAVED from suffering GODS WRATH UPON THE EARTH;
IS NOTHING NEW.

** To the clueless...
SAVED Man-KINDS of things were Lifted UP off the face of the Earth, Before God Came DOWN from Heaven; Revealed in the Flesh "LIKENESS" as A MAN UPON THE EARTH, called the Son of man.
...
** The Son of man, Returned to Heaven.
** BEFORE the Last great Wrath From Heaven UPON the earth...SAVED man-Kinds of things WILL AGAIN be Lifted up OFF the Face of the Earth.
** The Son of man, Shall return to Earth, AFTER the LAST great Wrath From Heaven comes DOWN UPON the Earth has PASSED.

Initially in the clouds, then to Jerusalem

The Son of man came down from Heaven, Offering Salvation to men UPON the Earth, and Returned to Heaven.
Men Accepting Offered Salvation, are Risen UP Before Wrath from Heaven comes UPON the Earth.
The Son of man Shall Return to Earth, After the Wrath comes down from Heaven UPON Earth, has been fulfilled and passed.

 

[Taken]

It is not that humans are banned from God's presence.

Human men, ARE Earthly men, and HAVE NEVER BEEN Given Access "TO SEE" GOD, as He is.

 

[Timtofly]

Human men, ARE Earthly men, and HAVE NEVER BEEN Given Access "TO SEE" GOD, as He is.

Adam was not banned, until after disobedience. Humans are not banned after obedience. Humans cannot do it on their own will power. They have to be changed by God. The Cross changed that for many, who were waiting in Abraham's bosom. Only the two witnesses of God in the OT, Moses and Elijah could enter Paradise prior to the Cross.

The Garden was built for Adam and his family. Only sin prevented humanity from getting there. The Garden was where the presence of the Lord is. The Garden was taken to heaven. Paradise will be in heaven until it comes down as the New Jerusalem in the NHNE.

When Jesus spoke those words, humans were still in Abraham's bosom. The two witnesses were no longer of sinful flesh. They were not like the mankind who could not ascend. We see in Job, the sons of God were allowed access to heaven. Jesus was not talking about them either. Jesus was talking about man's ability under the curse of sin, would not allow that ability. Jesus did not have a sin nature, but was obedient in all things.

 

[Taken]

Adam was not banned, until after disobedience. Humans are not banned after obedience. Humans cannot do it on their own will power. They have to be changed by God. The Cross changed that for many, who were waiting in Abraham's bosom. Only the two witnesses of God in the OT, Moses and Elijah could enter Paradise prior to the Cross.

The Garden was built for Adam and his family. Only sin prevented humanity from getting there. The Garden was where the presence of the Lord is. The Garden was taken to heaven. Paradise will be in heaven until it comes down as the New Jerusalem in the NHNE.

When Jesus spoke those words, humans were still in Abraham's bosom. The two witnesses were no longer of sinful flesh. They were not like the mankind who could not ascend. We see in Job, the sons of God were allowed access to heaven. Jesus was not talking about them either. Jesus was talking about man's ability under the curse of sin, would not allow that ability. Jesus did not have a sin nature, but was obedient in all things.

Are you reiterating? Or disagreeing with something I said?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Naomi25]

I get tickled every time i see the eyes of that cat . Poor thing must have seen copeland , the pope and rick warren all hugging on TV .

Lol! You know…it took me longer than it should have to figure out what you were talking about! I’m like “what cat? There’s no reference to a cat in my post!” *face palm*
But yes, I do love it, and sometimes it feels…so relevant!

 

[Naomi25]

Jesus gave the one's incorruptible bodies just as easily as the ones who remained in their functioning corruptible bodies.

COULD Jesus have done that? Sure, absolutely. DID he? We are not told that. All we are told in other scriptures is that ‘this mortal (or corruptible) will put on immortality (or incorruptible) AT his return.
So, in the absence of proof of one, and the presence of proof of the other, I’d say you’d need some fairly convincing passages/arguments to put forth that people are getting incorruptible bodies all the time.

. Why would those dead for thousands of years have to suffer again in corruptible bodies? Are you looking forward to that example only to recieve your corruptible body again?

We are simply not told that ‘those dead thousands of years’ had a task to do other than ‘go out into the City’ and tell of Christ’s work. Like Lazarus, those OT saints who came out of the grave, may have had a temporary visit as Moses and Elijah on the Mt of transfiguration.
My point is…we are NOT told. We are not told how long they lived after that event, or, specifically, HOW they were raised…that is, what sort of body they had.
Again…we ARE told that incorruptibility is put on AT Christ’s coming. We also have a verse that tell us that ‘it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment’ (Heb 9:27).
Clearly that verse dose not take into account the ‘resurrections’ that Jesus did throughout his ministry. The somewhat obvious conclusion is that these people were NOT resurrected into their incorruptible bodies, which we must pass through judgment to receive. These people were reanimated, for want of a better word, in order to point to Christ’s ministry, and to what was to come.