Why do Catholics…

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald, you have got to be kidding me right now. Or as Biden would say.....c'mon man....Are you being serious? You are soooooo anti-Catholic that you look over parts of Scripture that dont fit what YOU believe?

Acts 1:16-26??????????????

Not anti Catholic- but anti-Romanism false teaching.

But let us look at some of the verses:

20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

This is a replacement for Judas only and not some blanket command for perpetuity! But even if so- then there should be 12 today and not one of all the bishops of Romansim.

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

We see God made sure that the requirements for the replacement was given as well:

they were part of the group that followed Jesus and the Apostles, through His Ascension.

If there are other requirements so carefully listed in Gods Word I am all ears!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

then there is a different faith and different church!

"Hold firmly that our faith is identical with that of the ancients. Deny this, and you dissolve the unity of the Church."
--St. Thomas Aquinas

Wrong!

Jesus spoke of different groups that make up the one body of Christ.

You have to purge yourself of thinking along denominational lines and think of people. The New Testament is the one faith for all believers. All the rest is just trappings that mean nothing.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

yes but we get it from the apostles lk 1:4 Matt 28:19 acts 8:31

Yes we did. and when they finished theior course and died, god closed all that was needed for teh church to glorify Him and it was encapsulated in teh New TEstament. God decided to let all other writings out and comments as unneeded.

Anything else that contradicts from Romans to Jude is to be resisited at all costs.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

he says BY water AND the spirit!

so answer!

is it “faith alone” or baptismal regeneration?

if we all read scripture and have the same Holy Spirit we would have the same faith but we don’t!

there is a better way! God revealed all truths to his church and the apostles teach the same faith and morals to all men! Matt 28:19 go teach all nations!!!

Well as the water in JOhn 3 is not Baptism but natural birth it is an irrelavent question.

But it is by faith alone as I have shown y9ou many times the Scriptures that show it is by faith alone through grace.

 

[theefaith]

Wrong!

Jesus spoke of different groups that make up the one body of Christ.

You have to purge yourself of thinking along denominational lines and think of people. The New Testament is the one faith for all believers. All the rest is just trappings that mean nothing.

that ain’t the faith of our fathers

 

[Marymog]

Not anti Catholic- but anti-Romanism false teaching.!

Seriously Ronald, whats the difference?

 

[theefaith]

Yes we did. and when they finished theior course and died, god closed all that was needed for teh church to glorify Him and it was encapsulated in teh New TEstament. God decided to let all other writings out and comments as unneeded.

Anything else that contradicts from Romans to Jude is to be resisited at all costs.

Are all nations are taught?
All disciples made by baptism?
Has Christ returned?
Has the end come?

matt 29:19-20

 

[theefaith]

Jn 20:21 the apostle have the same mission power and authority
As Christ

And they keep sending more apostles
Acts 1:26

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Seriously Ronald, whats the difference?

It is huge! Your accusation is against people, my loathing is against the false doctrine that has enslaved many precious people!

 

[Marymog]

But let us look at some of the verses:

20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

This is a replacement for Judas only and not some blanket command for perpetuity! But even if so- then there should be 12 today and not one of all the bishops of Romansim.

Now I see how you are coming to your conclusion Ronald. You are adding to Scripture what isn't in Scripture. You have added to Scripture that this is a one off event. Only men that accompanied the 12 and Jesus from the beginning can replace an Apostle. Ok...Nice theory! That is what YOU have been taught by your Protestant men from the Revolution in the 16th century but where does Scripture teach that?

So, putting your theory into practice: James, who was the head of the church in Jerusalem, dies. If there are no men alive that was with Jesus and the Apostles from the beginning then NO ONE takes over as head of the church in Jerusalem!! BUT if there is someone still alive, lets say that mans name is Ronald, then Ronald would take James place. Once Ronald dies the church in Jerusalem has no leader. No shepherd to guide the flock. Not even a man that was a student of Ronald could/would take over. A leaderless church! Did I just articulate your theory correctly?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

It is huge! Your accusation is against people, my loathing is against the false doctrine that has enslaved many precious people!

Clearly you believe that the Catholic Church is teaching a false doctrine. What criteria do you use to determine if a denomination (Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist etc.) is teaching a false doctrine? Do you study Scripture and you decide what a true doctrine is and any denomination that teaches opposite of your true doctrine is teaching a false doctrine? Or do you belong to a certain denomination that has given you true doctrine? Help me out here....:)

 

[amadeus]

not God!

:):):)

 

[theefaith]

Well as the water in JOhn 3 is not Baptism but natural birth it is an irrelavent question.

But it is by faith alone as I have shown y9ou many times the Scriptures that show it is by faith alone through grace.

then why go to the river and baptize? Vs 22

 

[Marymog]

It is huge! Your accusation is against people, my loathing is against the false doctrine that has enslaved many precious people!

Hey Ronald,

Maybe @GRACE ambassador (who you would probably accuse of having a false doctrine) can help you out with the answer to this question since they "like" your response: Protestant denominations have different doctrines on the same subject (Baptism, what one must do to be saved, Real Presence, Mary, Hell, etc). Some of those Protestant denominations AGREE with The Catholic Church on SOME doctrines and disagree with The Church on many other doctrines. But, all Protestants disagree with each other.

Knowing that, is it really only the Catholic Church that has "enslaved many precious people"? Or do the Protestant denominations enslave people also since they teach multiple different doctrines of which all can't be true?

Can you see how your theory that only the Catholic Church has "enslaved many precious people" is a theory that is not logical....or if I may be frank....bizarre?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Now I see how you are coming to your conclusion Ronald. You are adding to Scripture what isn't in Scripture. You have added to Scripture that this is a one off event. Only men that accompanied the 12 and Jesus from the beginning can replace an Apostle. Ok...Nice theory! That is what YOU have been taught by your Protestant men from the Revolution in the 16th century but where does Scripture teach that?

Rather you are adding that the office of the apostle is an evergoing event. Especially, in light of requirements the Apostles themselves gave to replace Judas.

But if you have any scriptures that show the continuation of the office, I am all eyes to see it!

Where? Acts 1 All of the NT only one apsotle was replaced and that was according to prophecy. There is no teaching that they kept replacing themselves with people who were not there from the time Jesus began.

So, putting your theory into practice: James, who was the head of the church in Jerusalem, dies. If there are no men alive that was with Jesus and the Apostles from the beginning then NO ONE takes over as head of the church in Jerusalem!! BUT if there is someone still alive, lets say that mans name is Ronald, then Ronald would take James place. Once Ronald dies the church in Jerusalem has no leader. No shepherd to guide the flock. Not even a man that was a student of Ronald could/would take over. A leaderless church! Did I just articulate your theory correctly?

well you are combining two events that do not need combining. That is you making an assumption.

James dies! first off the church in Jerusalem was very short lived and if Roman tradition has it right, James did in India! So the church died in Jeruslame with th 70 AD judgment against Israel!

But taking over teh leadership of a local church does not take an apostle- Paul showed that in titus.

and no your ariculation was as wrong as could be. It is your implied thought that only an apostle could take over teh leadership of the church in Jerusalem that is wrong. We have had elders/pastors taking the place of churches since the first century- but none of the mheld th eoffice of Apostle. Scripture only speaks of one apostle as a church head- James. the rest may or may not have been. I doubt it because they were busy layi9ng down the foundation of teaching that successive generations were called to live by- we call it the New Testament.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Clearly you believe that the Catholic Church is teaching a false doctrine. What criteria do you use to determine if a denomination (Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist etc.) is teaching a false doctrine? Do you study Scripture and you decide what a true doctrine is and any denomination that teaches opposite of your true doctrine is teaching a false doctrine? Or do you belong to a certain denomination that has given you true doctrine? Help me out here....:)

Well before you go off on this tangent- let me say I am not perfect in all studies- no one or no church has a full lock on Scripture.

But in determining if a teaching is false doctrine or not- Yes Scripture is the final arbiter.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Not tradition, not oral tradition, not special revelations apart from agreeing with Scripture. As for my denomination (actually we are just an independent local church) I do not agree with all things our pastor teaches and we discuss openly these disagreements, and we do it in love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Now I see how you are coming to your conclusion Ronald. You are adding to Scripture what isn't in Scripture. You have added to Scripture that this is a one off event. Only men that accompanied the 12 and Jesus from the beginning can replace an Apostle. Ok...Nice theory! That is what YOU have been taught by your Protestant men from the Revolution in the 16th century but where does Scripture teach that?

And no, I grew up Catholic. Became a Satanist when I went to Catholic HIgh School (after catholic grammar school) and I was taught evolution was true. Teh miracles of the to were not all miracles.

Like God didn't appear in a burning bush, God didn't part the red sea, tower of Babel, Creation, etc. I got saved by my Aunt who is still Catholic. she sent me a bible and having been fired for theft, I started reading 12-16 hours a day cuz I was spiritually empty. I came to most of my theological conclusions before I joined a non-Catholic Church of ever found a Christian bookstore!

 

[Marymog]

Well before you go off on this tangent- let me say I am not perfect in all studies- no one or no church has a full lock on Scripture.

So, according to your theory, no church (denomination) knows the Truth? Even though Scripture says And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

then why go to the river and baptize? Vs 22

Because we are commanded to.

I will not go into the lengthy treatise on th eissue of Baptism and its significance for a disciple etc.

 

[Marymog]

But in determining if a teaching is false doctrine or not- Yes Scripture is the final arbiter.

Teaching of Scripture according to WHO's interpretation Ronald? Clearly not YOURS since you have already admitted that you are "not perfect in all studies". By your own admittance I can't trust ANYTHING you say.....so, who can I trust? And why would I listen to you after that admitance?