Why do Catholics…

[amadeus]

How would one recognize which church that is?
How would one know that truth is being taught?
Consider the question of Pontius Pilate: What is truth?

Jn 10:16

I do not see the answers to my questions in that verse:

"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." John 10:16

Could you please explain how it answers each question?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

show me in scripture
Two things

one: divine revelation
Two: the triple office of apostles

Divine revelation:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

there is no triple office of an apostle. there is the triple description of what a pastor is:

Bishop. elder, shepherd.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes public revelation ended but the office of apostles continues until Christ returns in glory as he said in Matt 28:19-20

No where does itr say that the office of apostle continies- that is a Romansit made up lie! Jesus told the apostles to go and make disciples- not apostles. And acts shows the qualification one needed to be an apostle.

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

If you do not know these by now- I have no time to teach you these fundamentals.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well until Christ returns in glory!

apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!

Wrong again! Apostolos does mean sent one in teh generic sense and we are all apostolos in that sewnse of the word.

but the Office of the apostle was limited to the originals and that office died with John, the last living apostle.

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Well I already showed you from Scripture why the church is not the new covenant kingdom.

but yes people still need to be saved and taught. But that is for the Pastors and teachers as Apostles no longer exist as an office! Eph. 4

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Yes I understand youi accept teh false teaching of Romanism about teh keys and binding and loosing. But it is still not true now as it was when I explained why it is wrong before!

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

And if that is what you think which is contrary to the Scriptures- you may end up in the lake of fire bemoaning you refused to listen to man y here who have tried to rescue you from these lies!

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

In your romanist blindness you fail tro recognize that the doctrines of the apostles is the New Testament!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

all was revealed to his church
Nowhere does it’s all was written down

what did Nathaniel and Andrew write! Nothing but the taught the catholic and divine faith revealed to them by Christ and He commanded in Matt 28:19

And they taught nothing in conmtradiction to what is in the New TEstament.

This hidden doctrines not written down and oral tradition elevated to doctrine is the doctrine of demons!

 

[theefaith]

Divine revelation:

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

there is no triple office of an apostle. there is the triple description of what a pastor is:

Bishop. elder, shepherd.

An apostle or bishop has a threefold office acts 1:15
Acts 1:20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
And administer the kingdom

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

 

[theefaith]

And they taught nothing in conmtradiction to what is in the New TEstament.

This hidden doctrines not written down and oral tradition elevated to doctrine is the doctrine of demons!

You refer to scripture of course
Scripture itself comes from the apostolic tradition
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

[theefaith]

I do not see the answers to my questions in that verse:

"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." John 10:16

Could you please explain how it answers each question?

four marks or characteristics of holy church
Only one qualifies

one:
Holy:
Catholic:
Apostolic:

 

[theefaith]

Matt 28:19-20

Commanded to teach all nations
I am with you (the apostles) till the end

 

[theefaith]

And they taught nothing in conmtradiction to what is in the New TEstament.

This hidden doctrines not written down and oral tradition elevated to doctrine is the doctrine of demons!

Who decides the truth?

example

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Does this mean “faith alone” or “spirit baptism” or baptismal regeneration?

how do we know?

 

[amadeus]

four marks or characteristics of holy church
Only one qualifies

one:
Holy:
Catholic:
Apostolic:

That is your answer... I grew up a Catholic and while among them I could see little else, but God brought me out.

 

[theefaith]

That is your answer... I grew up a Catholic and while among them I could see little else, but God brought me out.

not God!

 

[theefaith]

Apostolic church

"Hold firmly that our faith is identical with that of the ancients. Deny this, and you dissolve the unity of the Church."
--St. Thomas Aquinas

"Neither the true faith nor eternal salvation is to be found outside the Holy Catholic Church."
--Pope Pius IX

 

[theefaith]

Scripture say we must be taught!

Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17 Jn 16:13 acts 2:42 Acts 8:31

we must hear

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

Matt 18:17

must submit and obey

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:

Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.

That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!

how can any of this happen without apostles???

 

[Marymog]

No where does itr say that the office of apostle continies- that is a Romansit made up lie! Jesus told the apostles to go and make disciples- not apostles. And acts shows the qualification one needed to be an apostle...!

Ronald, you have got to be kidding me right now. Or as Biden would say.....c'mon man....Are you being serious? You are soooooo anti-Catholic that you look over parts of Scripture that dont fit what YOU believe?

Acts 1:16-26??????????????

 

[Ronald Nolette]

An apostle or bishop has a threefold office acts 1:15
Acts 1:20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
And administer the kingdom

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

That is the authority of the pastors!

The apostles laid the foundation of the church and appointed pastor/teachers to carry on. Not to continue laying the foundation, but to build on that foundation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You refer to scripture of course
Scripture itself comes from the apostolic tradition
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Wrong! Scripture came from God who passed it to the Apostles. Tradition hear means teaching! They got it from God and not themselves.

 

[theefaith]

That is the authority of the pastors!

The apostles laid the foundation of the church and appointed pastor/teachers to carry on. Not to continue laying the foundation, but to build on that foundation.

then there is a different faith and different church!

"Hold firmly that our faith is identical with that of the ancients. Deny this, and you dissolve the unity of the Church."
--St. Thomas Aquinas

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Who decides the truth?

example

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Does this mean “faith alone” or “spirit baptism” or baptismal regeneration?

how do we know?

Truth decides truth!

Teh problem with modern man is that we tend to be lazy in stduy. We must work harder for we are nearly 2,000 years removed from when these words were spoken .

When Jesus said to be born of water and the spirit- He was simply saying a common idiom in many cultures.

Born of water = natural birth
Born of teh Spirit= Spiritual birth or being born again.

Jesus even defines this in the next verse:

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

there is nothing mystical, magical or hyper spiritual about this simple statement. One must be born naturally (water) and born spiritually (born again) to see the kingdom of God!

 

[theefaith]

Wrong! Scripture came from God who passed it to the Apostles. Tradition hear means teaching! They got it from God and not themselves.

yes but we get it from the apostles lk 1:4 Matt 28:19 acts 8:31

 

[theefaith]

Truth decides truth!

Teh problem with modern man is that we tend to be lazy in stduy. We must work harder for we are nearly 2,000 years removed from when these words were spoken .

When Jesus said to be born of water and the spirit- He was simply saying a common idiom in many cultures.

Born of water = natural birth
Born of teh Spirit= Spiritual birth or being born again.

Jesus even defines this in the next verse:

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

there is nothing mystical, magical or hyper spiritual about this simple statement. One must be born naturally (water) and born spiritually (born again) to see the kingdom of God!

he says BY water AND the spirit!

so answer!

is it “faith alone” or baptismal regeneration?

if we all read scripture and have the same Holy Spirit we would have the same faith but we don’t!

there is a better way! God revealed all truths to his church and the apostles teach the same faith and morals to all men! Matt 28:19 go teach all nations!!!