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Jim B
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theefaith's claim that "there was a house at ground zero in Hiroshima that was completely unharmed and never developed cancer, the priests there were praying the holy rosary of the blessed Virgin Mary mother of God" is total nonsense -- Catholic fiction!
I personally know a woman who was at "ground zero". She said that everything was destroyed by the bomb's blast; not a single house was left standing. Yet another RCC fiction!
Here is an eyewitness report: "Amongst the unsuspecting inhabitants of Hiroshima was Fr. Schiffer, a Jesuit missionary assisting the many Catholics of that city. On the morning of August 6, 1945, he had just finished Mass and sat down at the breakfast table. As he plunged his spoon into a freshly sliced grapefruit, there was a bright flash of light. His first thought was that a fuel tanker had exploded in the harbor, as Hiroshima was a major port where the Japanese refueled their submarines. Then, in the words of Fr. Schiffer: “Suddenly, a terrible explosion filled the air with one bursting thunder stroke. An invisible force lifted me from the chair, hurled me through the air, shook me, battered me, whirled me round and round like a leaf in a gust of autumn wind.” Next thing he remembered was that he opened his eyes and found himself on the ground. He looked around, and saw there was nothing left in any direction: the railroad station and buildings in all directions were gone."
I personally know a woman who was at "ground zero". She said that everything was destroyed by the bomb's blast; not a single house was left standing. Yet another RCC fiction!
Here is an eyewitness report: "Amongst the unsuspecting inhabitants of Hiroshima was Fr. Schiffer, a Jesuit missionary assisting the many Catholics of that city. On the morning of August 6, 1945, he had just finished Mass and sat down at the breakfast table. As he plunged his spoon into a freshly sliced grapefruit, there was a bright flash of light. His first thought was that a fuel tanker had exploded in the harbor, as Hiroshima was a major port where the Japanese refueled their submarines. Then, in the words of Fr. Schiffer: “Suddenly, a terrible explosion filled the air with one bursting thunder stroke. An invisible force lifted me from the chair, hurled me through the air, shook me, battered me, whirled me round and round like a leaf in a gust of autumn wind.” Next thing he remembered was that he opened his eyes and found himself on the ground. He looked around, and saw there was nothing left in any direction: the railroad station and buildings in all directions were gone."
How would one recognize which church that is?
How would one know that truth is being taught?
Consider the question of Pontius Pilate: What is truth?
show me in scripture
Two things
one: divine revelation
Two: the triple office of apostles
Jesus is truth
John 14:6
"I am the way, the truth and the life..."
The Law is the truth
Ps 119:142
"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is truth."
The Word is truth:
John 17:17
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
Jim B
Well-Known Member
Catholicism teaches so much beyond the Bible that it is mind-boggling. It makes me think that they have no idea what the truth really is. Centuries of mythology is sufficient proof.
All one has to do is pay attention to what is claimed about the "virgin" Mary to see that so much of what they claim is fiction.
All one has to do is pay attention to what is claimed about the "virgin" Mary to see that so much of what they claim is fiction.
Christ and his church are one!
Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Matt 18:17 must hear the church
1 Tim 3:15 church is the truth
Christ and his church
Not the Bible alone!
the church existed, exercised christs authority before the New Testament and wrote it!
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!
The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14
God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!
God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!
God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!
And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!
Verified by scripture:
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)
Must be instructed in the faith:
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…
Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)
Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.
Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.
Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!
The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14
God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!
God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!
God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!
And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!
Verified by scripture:
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)
Must be instructed in the faith:
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…
Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)
Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.
Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.
Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)
Jim B
Well-Known Member
John 10:16??? Here is that verse: I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and one shepherd."
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
And? they did speak the truth- and encased it in that book called the New Testament! But Pope Francis does not have that authority nor any bishop, priest,pastor! The canon of Scripture is closed!
no!
All truth was revealed by Christ to his church! Jude 1:3
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!
The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
True Christians cannot listen to the errors of excommunicated heretics, but we listen faithfully to Christ, in the bosom of holy mother church, the only ark of salvation!
1 pet 3:20-21 matt 18:17 matt 16:18-19 matt 28:19-20 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-23
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
Christ and His church are one! (Acts 9:4 eph 5:31 Jn 15:1-5)
Rejection of the one true church or its teaching is rejection of Christ and God!
Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 8:12 & Matt 5:14
God does not reveal His truth in a vacuum!
God does not set His true adrift on a sea of spiritual anarchy!
God sets His truth in His church, in the possession of His apostles to safeguard, to ensure it is not added to, or taken away from, or changed in any way!
And to teach the same truth to all nations and all ages!
Verified by scripture:
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost!
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints!
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness!
(all scripture not 66 books alone)
Must be instructed in the faith:
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations…
Jn 29:21-23 as the father sent me, so I send you. (Same mission, power, and authority to teach all nations)
Lk 10:16 He who hears you, (His apostles) hear me.
Jn 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Jn 8:32 You (the apostles) shall know the truth; and the truth shall make you free.
Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
(His apostles)
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
JOhn 21:25:
Jesus did tons of things! Lot more miracles than were recorded! It doesn't say teach more things, though I am sure He did. But the Spirit only inspired the words we call the new testament to be preserved for the church!
2 John 12
King James Version
12 Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.
Do you really need this explained to you??????
JOhn wrote a letter to someone! I do not believe JOhn knew He was writing Scripture. It was a personal letter to an individual lady and her kids! Instead of writing everything down about what he wanted to say, He hoped to visit. Just like I would prefer to say more than write more to someone I care about.
If John got to visit her and say all the other stuff, god didn't wish it to be passed on to the rest of the church as ordinances for church growth! It is really that simple.
Yes public revelation ended but the office of apostles continues until Christ returns in glory as he said in Matt 28:19-20
Authority of the Apostles!
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission!
Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well until Christ returns in glory!
apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:2
all was revealed to his church
Nowhere does it’s all was written down
what did Nathaniel and Andrew write! Nothing but the taught the catholic and divine faith revealed to them by Christ and He commanded in Matt 28:19
Jim B
Well-Known Member
Correct! No Catholic denomination! There is no mention of the Catholic denomination in the Bible; it is a man-made system filled with unScriptural doctrine. First and foremost is the nonsense that Mary is a perpetual virgin. Second is that she is sinless. Third is that she is in heaven.
There is no mention of a pope, or cardinals, or bishops in the Bible. It says not to call any man father (there is only one Father). It clearly says that Jesus was resurrected, yet every Catholic church depicts Him as still on the cross. It says nothing about the fisherman Peter, whom Jesus called "Satan" and who denied Him three times, being the first pope. It calls certain people "saints", disagreeing with the Bible which calls all Christians saints. (The word's origin is "sanctified").
And let's not forget the crusades, the selling of indulgences, the inquisitions, the murder of those outside the Catholic church, including the so-called "heathen" of the Western hemisphere, the recent widespread pedophilia committed by priests, and the many other atrocities committed by the Catholic denomination.
I could go on further, but that is enough to make my point. If you truly believe that there is one church, no denominations, why do Catholics separate themselves from the rest of the Body of Christ?
If there actually is one true, original denomination (which I don't accept) it's the Eastern Orthodox. But there isn't.
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