Why do Catholics…

[Ronald Nolette]

Hey Ronald,

Maybe @GRACE ambassador (who you would probably accuse of having a false doctrine) can help you out with the answer to this question since they "like" your response: Protestant denominations have different doctrines on the same subject (Baptism, what one must do to be saved, Real Presence, Mary, Hell, etc). Some of those Protestant denominations AGREE with The Catholic Church on SOME doctrines and disagree with The Church on many other doctrines. But, all Protestants disagree with each other.

Knowing that, is it really only the Catholic Church that has "enslaved many precious people"? Or do the Protestant denominations enslave people also since they teach multiple different doctrines of which all can't be true?

Can you see how your theory that only the Catholic Church has "enslaved many precious people" is a theory that is not logical....or if I may be frank....bizarre?

Many Protestant denominations now in this age of apostasy also enslave people with false doctrines. all of us have some measure of false doctrine because we arfe not p[erfect, but the more one studies to show themselves approved, th emore false doctrines can be shed.

I am not in charge of Protestantism, so I do not worry about them. I share teh good news of salvation one on one regardless of whether one is in a church of Christendom or not! Then if they go to my church or stay close to me, I will gladly teach them. I have been doing that now for close to 40 years!

And if you asked me this before you would have learned I was not singling out just Catholics. But as this is a thread on Catholicism, the focus lies there and not say on Lutherans of Methodists etc.

 

[Marymog]

Not tradition, not oral tradition, ...

So throw out 2 Thess. 2:15? Got it....

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So, according to your theory, no church (denomination) knows the Truth? Even though Scripture says And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Not all all. that is you drawing a conclusion based on you rown bias.

Jesus is the truth and e may be known. But as false doctrine is rampant in these last days, many carry some baggage and many carry a heavy burden of false doctrine. That doe snot mean one is unsaved (unless they add to the finished work of the cross), but it just means our walk with God is hampered by the level of false teaching we hold!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So throw out 2 Thess. 2:15? Got it....

No but if you bothered to go past your bias, you would see tradition there is teaching and not th emore common belief held by many:

a long-established custom or belief that has been passed on from one generation to another.

Traditions either as teachings or customs are only as valid as they do not contradict what god Inspired and reserved to become the New Testament from all the writings available.

 

[Marymog]

Rather you are adding that the office of the apostle is an evergoing event. Especially, in light of requirements the Apostles themselves gave to replace Judas....

Nope Ronald, I am not adding the office of the Apostles. What I am saying and what Christianity has taught for 2,000 years is that the Apostles taught certain men the Truth, just like Jesus taught the 12 Apostles the Truth, and then those students of the Apostles taught other men the Truth and then those men taught other men the Truth etc etc....just like Scripture says: And the things that thou hast heard from me among many witnesses, commit thou the same to faithful men who shall be able to teach others also. You have read ALL of Scripture...Haven't you?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Teaching of Scripture according to WHO's interpretation Ronald? Clearly not YOURS since you have already admitted that you are "not perfect in all studies". By your own admittance I can't trust ANYTHING you say.....so, who can I trust? And why would I listen to you after that admitance?

Well that is your problem. But tell you what. Do like I did! do not have any commentaries, theology or other books other than language and maybe culture books and study the Scriptures intensely!

If you do that, I am confident you and I would agree on far more things than we disagree on.

 

[Marymog]

No but if you bothered to go past your bias, you would see tradition there is teaching and not th emore common belief held by many:

a long-established custom or belief that has been passed on from one generation to another.

Traditions either as teachings or customs are only as valid as they do not contradict what god Inspired and reserved to become the New Testament from all the writings available.

According to YOUR studies of Scripture. But, you already admitted that you are "not perfect in all studies".

 

[Marymog]

If you do that, I am confident you and I would agree on far more things than we disagree on.

I assure you that will never happen. I am looking for the truth, not opinions.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nope Ronald, I am not adding the office of the Apostles. What I am saying and what Christianity has taught for 2,000 years is that the Apostles taught certain men the Truth, just like Jesus taught the 12 Apostles the Truth, and then those students of the Apostles taught other men the Truth and then those men taught other men the Truth etc etc....just like Scripture says: And the things that thou hast heard from me among many witnesses, commit thou the same to faithful men who shall be able to teach others also. You have read ALL of Scripture...Haven't you?

And what you say is SCripture, just like I believe! those men became the elders in local assemblies! they did not inherit the office of Apostle. That is what I have been saying. The office of Apostle died with John the last living Apostle.

I have been privileged to teach many men who have gone on to become missionaries and Pastors!

 

[Marymog]

No but if you bothered to go past your bias,

Lol.....MY bias? You have articulated a CLEAR bias against the CC and any church that teaches the same thing the CC teaches soooooo is that the pot calling the kettle black?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

According to YOUR studies of Scripture. But, you already admitted that you are "not perfect in all studies".

Well if someone can prove mu understanding of the Scriptures wrong, I have always changed! So to carry your paranoia to its conclusions- you cannot trust anyone for all of us are imperfect- including your self.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I assure you that will never happen. I am looking for the truth, not opinions.

try it and find out!

YOu are just so prejudiced, if I said the bible said teh sky is blue and gave you chapter and verse, you would disagree because of your bias against me.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Lol.....MY bias? You have articulated a CLEAR bias against the CC and any church that teaches the same thing the CC teaches soooooo is that the pot calling the kettle black?

And I admit mine freely and openly. You have articulated a strong bias against me but you have yet to admit it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Lol.....MY bias? You have articulated a CLEAR bias against the CC and any church that teaches the same thing the CC teaches soooooo is that the pot calling the kettle black?

And you have provben you rbias against protestantism in you rwriting. so don't pretend.

 

[Marymog]

And what you say is SCripture, just like I believe! those men became the elders in local assemblies! they did not inherit the office of Apostle. That is what I have been saying. The office of Apostle died with John the last living Apostle.

I have been privileged to teach many men who have gone on to become missionaries and Pastors!

Right! The "office" of the Apostles died when John died. But students of the Apostles SUCCEDED the Apostles and continued teaching the Truth that Jesus taught the Apostles. Would you agree with that?

 

[Marymog]

And you have provben you rbias against protestantism in you rwriting. so don't pretend.

I have made it VERY clear in my posts that I am biased to the Catholic Church. That is why I used the analogy of the pot calling the kettle black. You PRETEND you have no bias....but you do. However, you seem to be only biased against the Catholic Church even though there are some Protestant denominations that AGREE with The Church on MANY doctrines. When are you going to start calling those denominations out instead of just the CC?

 

[Marymog]

And I admit mine freely and openly. You have articulated a strong bias against me but you have yet to admit it.

I am biased against you...I thought that was clear? You admit that you are "not perfect in all studies" but the go on to suggest that the CC is wrong in it's teachings. How could you know this if you are not you are "not perfect in all studies"? You gave me a reason to be biased against you....

 

[Marymog]

Well if someone can prove mu understanding of the Scriptures wrong, I have always changed! So to carry your paranoia to its conclusions- you cannot trust anyone for all of us are imperfect- including your self.

And there it is. What I knew all along. You are right until somebody can prove you wrong but only YOU decide if they have proven you wrong. Fascinating....

Would you "trust" the students of the Apostles to prove your understanding of Scripture to be wrong? What I am asking is if your understanding of Scripture is different than Clement of Rome, Ignatius or Polycarp would you side with them or tell me they are wrong?

curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

And I admit mine freely and openly. You have articulated a strong bias against me but you have yet to admit it.

Sure would like an answer to post #211. Maybe that would change my bias...

 

[Marymog]

I joined a non-Catholic Church of ever found a Christian bookstore!

What church was that and do you still attend?

curiouis Mary