Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

[Phoneman777]

Here is a great example of replacement theology in basic terms

Israel is done. They don't even exist. The people over there are descendants of the Khazarian Empire. Look it up.

Do you actually think Israel's conquerors were careful not to allow anyone to pollute the Semitic gene pool, or do you think the same ancient rules for *ahem* "female spoils of war" applied? It only took a few hundred years to pollute the Ten Lost Tribes so that no Israelite would even acknowledge them...what about the nearly 2,000 years since 70 A.D.?

 

[Truth7t7]

You're not properly differentiating between the two events (one local or regional event in 70 AD and one global event in the future).

(There isn't "Two Events") in a (70AD Event) and a (Future Global Event) seen below, that's 100% false bogus malarkey!

"The events seen below are all future", there's no 1900+ year gap seen below, its nothing more than mans pride in trying to keep a false teaching alive

Luke 21:20-27KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

There's No 1900+ Year Gap Seen Here Between Verses 24 & 25, your pride has you blinded, as you cling to your false teaching in 70AD fulfillment

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you seriously trying to criticize me for not responding to a post made about 150 posts before this one? I get many replies to my posts on the various threads I post on. I can't be expected to reply to every single one. And I could easily miss one when there are posts coming quickly one after another. I am not obligated to respond to any post, but I do respond to a vast majority of them that are directed to me. So, get out of here with this nonsense.

You completely deny that the tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 is the very same that's seen in Daniel 12:2, that culminates in the resurrection and final judgement at the second coming

You have been presented with the question regarding Matthew 24:21 and the great tribulation seen in post #357 without response, as you falsely claim this took place around 70AD

Matthew 24:15-31 & Daniel 12:1-3 is the very same "Future" event in the great tribulation, resurrection, second coming, and final judgement

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Ok you say The Great Tribulation Matt 24:21 took place around 70AD, you stated you believe the future second coming is literally seen in Matthew 24:30 below

Question: How do you have a great tribulation around 70AD and a "future Jesus" returning in the heavens immediately after this tribulation around 70AD?

(Future Great Tribulation, Second Coming, And Resurrection)

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

(Future Great Tribulation, Second Coming, And Resurrection)

Matthew 24:15 & 29-31KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

(There is no "Two Events") in a 70AD event and a future global event seen below, that's 100% false bogus malarkey!

LOL. Says the guy who can't even acknowledge that Jesus said in Matthew 24:1-2 (also recorded in Mark 13:1-2 and Luke 21:6-7) that the temple buildings standing at the time He was on the earth would be destroyed. Talk about "bogus malarkey"!

"The events seen below are all future", there's no 1900+ year gap seen below, its nothing more than mans pride in trying to keep a false teaching alive

Luke 21:20-27KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

So, it's just a coincidence that Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in 70 AD and then destroyed and made desolate. And it's just a coincidence that many people fled Judea into the mountains around that time as Jesus warned them to do. And it's just a coincidence that many fell by the sword and many were led away captive into all nations back then just as Jesus said would happen. I see. It's a wonder that you even accept that the prophecies about Jesus's first coming were fulfilled with as much as you want to think that everything will be fulfilled in the future.

There's No 1900+ Year Gap Seen Here Between Verses 24 & 25, your pride has you blinded, as you cling to your false teaching in 70AD fulfillment

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

You are the blind one. You are 100% filled with pride and are unteachable. That is why you have so many false interpretations. You rely completely on your own limited understanding, which is never a good idea for any of us. Pray for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You completely deny that the tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 is the very same that's seen in Daniel 12:2, that culminates in the resurrection and final judgement at the second coming

You have been presented with the question regarding Matthew 24:21 and the great tribulation seen in post #357 without response, as you falsely claim this took place around 70AD

Matthew 24:15-31 & Daniel 12:1-3 is the very same "Future" event in the great tribulation, resurrection, second coming, and final judgement

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Ok you say The Great Tribulation Matt 24:21 took place around 70AD, you stated you believe the future second coming is literally seen in Matthew 24:30 below

Question: How do you have a great tribulation around 70AD and a "future Jesus" returning in the heavens immediately after this tribulation around 70AD?

(Future Great Tribulation, Second Coming, And Resurrection)

Matthew 24:15 & 29-31KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

LOL. You are just copying posts that you've already made verbatim. I already responded to this. You're just a robot.

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL. You are just copying posts that you've already made verbatim. I already responded to this. You're just a robot.

Just as dispensationalism makes up a fake pre-tribulation rapture that is actually the future second coming

You make up a fake "Great Tribulation" in 70AD, and claim there are "Two Great Tribulations" Seen Below, One In 70AD, One Future 1900+ Years And Waiting, A "False Teaching"!

As you falsely believe and teach that there's a 1900+ year gap between the verses in Luke 21:24-25 trying desperately to convince the unaware that this false gap exist, a "False Teaching"!

"The events seen below are all future", there's no 1900+ year gap seen below, its nothing more than mans pride in trying to keep a false teaching alive

(70AD Great Tribulation Verses 20-24)

Luke 21:20-27KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

There's No 1900+ Year Gap Seen Here Between Verses 24 & 25, your pride has you blinded, as you cling to your false teaching in 70AD fulfillment

(A Future Great Tribulation 1900+ Year Gap Verses 25-27)

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL. You are just copying posts that you've already made verbatim. I already responded to this. You're just a robot.

Yes you deny that Daniel 12:1 & Matthew 24:21 are the same future event in the "Great Tribulation", your living in denial of biblical truth before your eyes

(Future Great Tribulation, Second Coming, And Resurrection)

Daniel 12:1-2KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

(Future Great Tribulation, Second Coming, And Resurrection)

Matthew 24:15 & 29-31KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[wooddog]

There's no gap in the 70th week. I'm not going to speak for him, but in my view the new covenant is eternal and it took one week/7 years (the 70th week) to confirm it. Once it was confirmed then the 70th week was over. No gap. The confirming of the covenant consisted of Christ's ministry, His death and resurrection and then the preaching of the gospel of Christ to Israel before it started going out to the Gentile nations. Very simple. But, let me know if you still don't understand.

You lost 3.5 years nice.

 

[wooddog]

There's no gap in the 70th week. I'm not going to speak for him, but in my view the new covenant is eternal and it took one week/7 years (the 70th week) to confirm it. Once it was confirmed then the 70th week was over. No gap. The confirming of the covenant consisted of Christ's ministry, His death and resurrection and then the preaching of the gospel of Christ to Israel before it started going out to the Gentile nations. Very simple. But, let me know if you still don't understand.

Yet you seem unable to show how it is supposedly lacking.


Verse 4 of what? I thought we were talking about Daniel 9:27.


Who said anything about anyone being replaced? Slow down and think about what you're saying and whether or not you are making any sense.


I don't know what you're talking about. What covenant exactly are you talking about? Be specific. When was it made? What does it entail exactly?

Daniel 9;4 . Read the whole chapter 5 times and you might understand the prophecy but I doubt it. What spirit do you follow?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I already am aware of the "first part" of Daniel 9. That does not prove my position wrong. We are all Israel in Christ, aren't we? We all sinned against Christ.

But that is not what Daniel 9 is about. Its not about us (unless you are a physical jew)

Dan 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Do you honestly think all the above that God did apply to the Jews and national Israel only?

I think Daniel prayed about the physical people of Israel. and Daniel called them your people. and called jerusalem Gods city. so yes, i think this is what it is about.

it is called using context.. To make it mean anything else. is to take it out of context

Wrong. You need to learn to compare everything with the rest of Scripture.

No. I just need to study the passage in question

1. Determine who is being spoken to - (God)
2. Determine who is being spoke about (The people of Israel and the city of Jerusalem.
3. Determine why the prayer is being prayed (Israel was scattered because of lev 26. God kept his promise, And the city of Jerusalem lay desolate. again because of Gods warning in Lev 26, God kept his promise

Just in case you feel the need to ignore what God said in lev 26 because you do not want to see it. I will share with you

Lev 26:
27 ‘And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me, 28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. 29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols; and My soul shall abhor you. 31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your sweet aromas. 32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it.33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you; your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.

4. Determine what is being prayed - Daniel is confessing his sins, and the sins of the people and the fathers. As he knows the 70 years of captivity as told by Jeremiah was coming to an end As he was required to, again, in lev 26

Lev 26:
40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, 41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land.

5. Then I take this context. to apply to the answer of Daniels prayer

“Seventy [e]weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city,

in doing this I know

1. It is not the church or gentiles. it is those whom were made the promise through Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
2. The city is Jerusalem. Not the future jerusalem. but the one that is in a place in the middle east, that Daniel was praying for.l
3. Any other interpretation would be taking this out of context. and can be rejected

For example, look at making a reconciliation for iniquity:

Hebrews 9:26

• "...but now once in the end of the world hath He appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

2nd Corinthians 5:18

• "And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation.
• To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

This is what Daniel means by making an end of sins and that reconciliation is made for iniquity. This verse 24 of Daniel chapter 9 is clearly speaking of the Messiah's atonement for the sins of Israel, by the work of the cross. The question is what Israel? Is it national Israel, or Israel in Christ?

Luke 1:68-70

• "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
• And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
• As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:"

There the prophecy is fulfillled as Daniel's people Israel has their Messiah come, that their sins would be closed up (or come to an end), and that reconciliation would be made. And that is exactly what Christ, who was Israel's Messiah, did.

Hebrews 2:17

• "Wherefore in all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of The People."

The same as the Prophesy we read in Daniel, that Messiah would come for the reconciliation of the sins of His people. And this was fulfilled in Christ's atonement.

Obviously not just for the Jews but all in Christ. The Israel of God, Selah!

Out of context. and refuted above

Yes, I explain one example above.

And I proved that the answer is no. Not only in the post you are replying to. But in my first comment above

Yes, we all sinned against God before we were born again. Just as Israel was.

But our city was not layed waste, and we were not scattered according to the law of moses because of our sin..

Context must be in focus.

Here you fail to understand. The woman of Israel, the bride of Christ, spanned from Abel to Last Elect. In the Old Testament, Israel as a nation represented the kingdom of God on Earth. In the New Testament, the church represents the kingdom of God on Earth. We all are one people! We are all Daniel's people. We are all one Holy City... in Christ. That is why our sin was nailed to the cross by faith in Christ just as the Jews nailed their sins to the Cross by faith through their physical temples, sacrifices etc.

I am just looking at Dan 9. in context.

The bride of christ is no where in context.

Try me. :)

I already did, and you still in my view do not understand

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's your claim. God's OT nation was Israel. His NT nation is the Church. Nowhere in the NT is Israel any longer described as a nation. But the Church is: Matthew 21:43; 1 Peter 2:5,9

God did not have two nations in the OT, and He does not have two nations in the NT.

When you refer to national Israel, are you not referring to ethnic biological Israel?

Or are you referring to pharisaic Babylonic talmudic Israel?

The church did not replace Israel

the nation of Israel were given a special covenant, eternal and binding, because it was an (I will covenant)

that covenant was not broken, It is not completed. and the church has no part in that covenant.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not going to admit something that isn't true. God forbid. As written, it doesn't say that the covenant itself lasts for 7 years, it says it takes 7 years to confirm the covenant.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

1. I do not see the word "take" in this passage
2. I do not see any hint where it says it may or may not take 7 years to confirm this covenant
It says, He will confirm a covenant for 1 week (7 years)

so since you refuse to humble yourself. why should I?

Why do I need to admit anything for you to acknowledge what Jesus accomplished with His death and resurrection? That's lunacy.

Its lunacy to take a prophecy out of context. and try to impose something just because it makes you appear to be correct..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What people who you accuse of adhering to "replacement theology" actually believe is not that anyone gets replaced, but rather that Gentile believers join together with Israelite believers together as one body of God's people. Otherwise known as the body of Christ, the church or spiritual Israel. God's people have always been those who have faith like Abraham. Before Jesus came it was primarily the people of Israel who had faith, but once Jesus came and the gospel went out to the Gentiles then they too were able to part of the people of God. Who was replaced in that scenario? No one.

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

Do you agree and accept what is taught here? Does this describe anyone as being replaced? No. Yet, passages like this describe what people who you falsely claim believe in "replacement theology" actually believe and emphasize. Not replacement. Unity among God's people to where it doesn't make any difference if someone is Jew or Gentile, male or female, slave or free (see Galatians 3:26-29).

Jesus made the two groups (Israelite believers and Gentiles believers) one, so why do you try to keep them separate?

There is a problem with this thinking

This totally denies that God made a specific covenant with a specific nation. He called that covenant an eternal covenant,

Last I checked, Eternity has not ended. So the covenant still stands

so in essence, you are saying the church took over that covenant, even though it was never given to the church. and never will be

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Those who you falsely accuse of believing in replacement theology agree that nothing is replaced. Next, indeed.

They can deny it all they want

but thats like people who believe you MUST be baptized in water claiming they are not saying you must work to be saved.

You can say it, it does not make it fact.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your Dispensationalism prevents you from seeing the big picture, friend. God's will has always been the same: save mankind by sending His Son on a mercy mission to grant us all grace. The common denominator of all covenants is that.

Your antisemetism has you blind so you can not see the little picture my friend.

Dan 9 is not about the saving of the world. it is about a nation that was being punished because of her sins, A man called Daniel who tried to intercede for those people. and beg for Gods mercy for those people

you still have not read the first part of Daniel it seems. so your blindess will continue

As for the 70 Weeks, the New Covenant was to be "confirmed" for 7 years to Israel before it would be carried to the rest of the world at the end of the 70 Weeks, plain and simple.

Please show me where it says this in Dan 9..

Would you ever refer to your mom's house as the "best little whorehouse near your house"? Neither would God ever refer to a blasphemous rebuilt temple in Jerusalem as "the temple of God" - for the same reason.

lol. Yet he did that very thing while he walked the earth.. lol

Get real my friend.. Your eschatology is just as faulty as yuor legalistic gospel.

Yes, the "temple of God" which is the church.

No, It says he wqill rule in Jerusalem

But thank you. You are proving my point about replacement theology

Where do you read this?

Zech 14: 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

No, just explain it as it should be, without Jesuit Futurist Scripture twisting.

Nonsense is still nonsense. no matter how many times you read it or how slow. it is still nonsense

"...He shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK..."

Jesus confirmed his covenant in 1 day

Course He didn't.

Of course, because he did not confirm any covenant for 1 week..

It is immediately evident to anyone who hasn't be seduced by Jesuit Futurism.

Says the antisemite

Take a deep breath and re-read what you've written here...

IT DOES NOT SAY IT WILL TAKE 7 YEARS. IT SAYS THE COVENANT IS CONFIRMED FOR 7 YEARS.. DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ ENGLISH????

Lets interpret for you.
1. It does not say it will take seven years. as you are claiming
2. It says, And he shall confirm a covenant FOR (the length) 7 Years
3. Again, I ask, do you know how to read english? I am worried you have a problem with that

You're switching back and forth between covenant participants and covenant purposes...while the participants may have varied, the purpose has always been the same: save all sinners by grace.

Thats not the purpose of Daniel 9. Never has been, and never will be

Nor is it the purpose of a 7 year covenant made by a prince who is yet to come

It's incredible how many professing Christians think it's cool for those who occupy the ancient land of Israel to say Jesus is an "imposter" and a "son of a whore" and is "in hell boiling in excrement" rather than accepting the truth that the "Israel of God" are those who "walk by this rule" of the "new creature in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 6:15-16 KJV)

lol. God made a covenant with a nation who comes from Abraham Isaac and Jacob. That covenant is said to be an eternal covenent, and unlike most covenants, is not a duel covenent, God said i will. Unlike the mosaic, He did not say, if you do this, i will do that.
What is sad is many professing christians who claim God does not keep his promises.

Then again, I know you reject eternal security. So your belief in the inability of God to keep an eternal promise is well documented and understood.

Purpose or participants?

LOL You semite fan boys don't understand that the "natural branches" have been broken off and have to be "grafted in" just like "unnatural branches". Is there any differentiation, distinction, any preeminence of the one over the other? No!

I am not a semite fan. I just believe God keeps his promises.

The "Israel of God' are those who "walk by this rule" of the "new creature in Christ".

Are those who call Christ "imposter" and "son of a whore" and claim He's "boiling in excrement" walking by that rule?

No need to worry...the 70 Weeks were fulfilled right on time from 457 B.C. to 34 A.D. They were "cut off" so that when they were fulfilled, all could be confident that the entire 2300 Days from which the 70 were cut off would also be fulfilled: the "cleansing of the heavenly sanctuary".

lol

Now your out there. Your time line does not even add up

 

[covenantee]

The church did not replace Israel

the nation of Israel were given a special covenant, eternal and binding, because it was an (I will covenant)

that covenant was not broken, It is not completed. and the church has no part in that covenant.

Here's the special, eternal, binding, completed New Covenant exclusively for those in Christ, i.e. His Church.

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

 

[covenantee]

The church did not replace Israel

the nation of Israel were given a special covenant, eternal and binding, because it was an (I will covenant)

that covenant was not broken, It is not completed. and the church has no part in that covenant.

The old covenant does not replace the New Covenant.

The nation of Israel does not replace the Nation of the Church.

The nation of Israel does not appear in the New Covenant.

There is only one Nation in the New Covenant.

It is not the nation of Israel.

It is the Nation of the Church. Matthew 21:43; 1 Peter 2:5,9

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here's the special, eternal, binding, completed New Covenant exclusively for those in Christ, i.e. His Church.

In God's New Will and Testament, all covenants and promises are fulfilled only in Christ, and in those who are in Christ.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

If you deny that God has appointed His Son alone as heir of all things, you declare God to be a liar.

His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...declare that we who are in Christ are joint heirs with Him.

But it is clear and plain:

There are no promissory clauses for anyone, Jew or Gentile...

Who is not in Christ.

thats great,, And I am part of that covenant.

But we are discussing the covenant of Dan 9 confirmed for 1 week by a future prince who is to co9me

Can you please stick to the discussion

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The old covenant does not replace the New Covenant.

Never said it did.

The nation of Israel does not replace the Nation of the Church.

The nation of Israel does not appear in the New Covenant.

There is only one Nation in the New Covenant.

It is not the nation of Israel.

It is the Nation of the Church. Matthew 21:43; 1 Peter 2:5,9

lol

The church is in the abrahamic covenant (in you shall ALL NATIONS OF THE WQRLD (the church) be blessed.

The church has no part in the part of the abrahamic covenant that does not refer to them (And I give you this land as an ETERNAL gift. and I will be your God)

 

[covenantee]

thats great,, And I am part of that covenant.

But we are discussing the covenant of Dan 9 confirmed for 1 week by a future prince who is to co9me

Can you please stick to the discussion

Messiah the Prince was the future Prince who did come.

He and His disciples confirmed the everlasting New Covenant with Israel for 7 years, after which the Gentiles were welcomed into it.

Can you please stick to the Scripture.