Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

[Truth7t7]

And when was the BibleGateway: Authorized King James Version written?

Hint: Not 1611.

The people of the prince isnt 70AD Roman soldiers, they were pagans that believed in false deities

It's only through your magical wands and words are they transformed into God's people

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Good question.
All 6points are accomplished by the cross of Jesus in the midst of the final week.

He took my iniquity , sin , transgressions upon himself and gave to me his everlasting righteousness. The holy Spirit then came upon the disciples to confirm the new cov for the second half of the week for Daniels people.

The Gospel then immediately went to the Gentiles.

I, of course, fully agree. But, I thought I'd make it simple by just mentioning the one that I thought he'd have the most trouble trying to come up with a way that it could be fulfilled apart from Jesus. Of course, we know that none of those things could be fulfilled apart from Jesus. The 70 week prophecy is really all about Jesus and it's sad when people don't recognize that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 1:5 AKJV And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Gnat/Camel

Jesus doesn't make desolation, the "he" isn't Jesus Christ as you and reformed eschatology falsely teach

 

[covenantee]

The people of the prince aren't 70AD Roman soldiers, they were pagans that believed in false deities

It's only through your magical wands and words are they transformed into God's people

The Roman soldiers were pagans who believed in false deities.

You got it.

 

[Truth7t7]

I, of course, fully agree. But, I thought I'd make it simple by just mentioning the one that I thought he'd have the most trouble trying to come up with a way that it could be fulfilled apart from Jesus. Of course, we know that none of those things could be fulfilled apart from Jesus. The 70 week prophecy is really all about Jesus and it's sad when people don't recognize that.

The 70th week is about a future human man (The Beast) that will be present on earth until the consummation (The End)

 

[Truth7t7]

I, of course, fully agree. But, I thought I'd make it simple by just mentioning the one that I thought he'd have the most trouble trying to come up with a way that it could be fulfilled apart from Jesus. Of course, we know that none of those things could be fulfilled apart from Jesus. The 70 week prophecy is really all about Jesus and it's sad when people don't recognize that.

Why do you run from two simple questions?

1.) When did or will Daniel's AOD take place as seen in verse 15 below?

2.) When did or will the great tribulation take place as seen in verse 21 below?

Matthew 24:15 & 21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand; )

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[covenantee]

The 70th week is about a future human man (The Beast) that will be present on earth until the consummation (The End)

That's what your decapitated orphaned futurized fantasized 70th week is about.

Messiah the Prince's fulfilled 70th week 2,000 years ago was about immeasurably more than that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Your memory's as bad as your hermeneutics.

I said yesterday that those verses were literal.

Meanwhile, you're too afraid to tackle Genesis 3:15.

Your explanation of "Literal" means nothing,

Do you believe the verses seen below represent the "Future" second coming of Jesus and "Future" resurrection of believers in Jesus?

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[covenantee]

Your explanation of "Literal" means nothing

Do you believe the verse seen represent the "Future" second coming and "Future" resurrection of believers in Jesus?

Your explanation of everything means nothing.

Do you believe that Genesis 3:15 is literal?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You deny that the future, literal, visible,second coming is seen below, you also deny the resurrection is taking place in angels gathering, please correct me if I'm wrong?

Matthew 24:30-31KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Now you're falsely accusing him of applying that passage to 70 AD as well? You've made that false claim against at least three of us now. Do you ever stop?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Gnat/Camel

Jesus doesn't make desolation, the "he" isn't Jesus Christ as you and reformed eschatology falsely teach

You have nothing, so you resort to your weak gnat/camel argument. Just admit that your capitalization argument is weak and stop being so prideful.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The 70th week is about a future human man (The Beast) that will be present on earth until the consummation (The End)

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The beast John saw existed before he wrote the book of Revelation. So, how old is this supposed man now? At least 2,000 years old, right? And he's currently in the bottomless pit. Explain to me how a human man can be in the bottomless pit.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why do you run from two simple questions?

How can I run from questions that you hadn't previously asked me? LOL. You continue to make yourself look silly with every post you make. It's almost impossible to take you seriously.

And how does this even address what I said in my post which had to do with Daniel 9:24? Do you agree with Eternally Grateful that Daniel 9:24 doesn't have anything to do with Jesus?

1.) When did or will Daniel's AOD take place as seen in verse 15 below?

2.) When did or will the great tribulation take place as seen in verse 21 below?

Matthew 24:15 & 21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand; )

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Around 70 AD. All you need to do is look at this parallel passage to help understand what that passage is about.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

It's not a coincidence that what is described here is exactly what happened around 70 AD. The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem before attacking and destroying the city and its temple. Prior to this, many people fled Judea into the mountains as Jesus instructed. And many people fell by the edge of the sword with many people being led away captive into all nations around that time.

 

[covenantee]

Now you're falsely accusing him of applying that passage to 70 AD as well? You've made that false claim against at least three of us now. Do you ever stop?

Some people's hallucinations never stop.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Some people's hallucinations never stop.

Apparently. Definitely in his case. He can't grasp the concept of people like us, WPM and jeffweeder being neither preterists nor futurists. He thinks everyone has to be one or the other.

 

[jeffweeder]

Please show me "Historically" where a call to build a wall and street, and building this wall and street took (69 weeks/483 years) in its process prior to (33AD Calvary) that you believe is the 70th continous week of Daniel, waiting?

Daniel 9:25KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Dan 9:25 makes clear that the 483 are past in relation to Jesus first coming to fulfill v 24

Seventy Weeks and the Messiah​

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble.

 

[Truth7t7]

Around 70 AD. All you need to do is look at this parallel passage to help understand what that passage is about.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

It's not a coincidence that what is described here is exactly what happened around 70 AD. The Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem before attacking and destroying the city and its temple. Prior to this, many people fled Judea into the mountains as Jesus instructed. And many people fell by the edge of the sword with many people being led away captive into all nations around that time.

Ok you say Daniel's AOD Matt 24:15 and The Great Tribulation Matt 24:21 took place around 70AD, you stated you believe the future second coming is literally seen in Matthew 24:30

Question: How do you have a great tribulation around 70AD and a "future Jesus" returning in the heavens immediately after this tribulation around 70AD?

Matthew 24:29KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Truth7t7]

Dan 9:25 makes clear that the 483 are past in relation to Jesus first coming to fulfill v 24

Seventy Weeks and the Messiah​

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God), to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with [a city] plaza and moat, even in times of trouble.

You didn't come close to answering the question on 483 years of building a wall/street in history, once again

Please show me "Historically" where a call to build a wall and street, and building this wall and street took (69 weeks/483 years) in its process prior to (33AD Calvary) that you believe is the 70th continous week of Daniel, waiting?

Daniel 9:25KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

 

[jeffweeder]

You didn't come close to answering the question on 483 years of building a wall/street in history, once again

Please show me "Historically" where a call to build a wall and street, and building this wall and street took (69 weeks/483 years) in its process prior to (33AD Calvary) that you believe is the 70th continous week of Daniel, waiting?

Daniel 9:25KJV
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The books of Ezra and Nehemiah was very good news for those Babylonian exiles. This enabled them to return home to await the coming of the voice of one crying out in the Judean wilderness and the revealing of their Messiah. See Malachi.

 

[Truth7t7]

The books of Ezra and Nehemiah was very good news for those Babylonian exiles. This enabled them to return home to await the coming of the voice of one crying out in the Judean wilderness and the revealing of their Messiah. See Malachi.

Please give me "direct passage citation" to accout for the 483 years of building the wall and street covering the continous time before AD 33 Calvary in your suggested 70th week, waiting?