Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

[Eternally Grateful]

You keep saying that someone is claiming to believe that Jesus confirmed a seven year covenant. No one is saying that. So, that is a lie. I'd call it a mistake instead of a lie, but you keep saying it even after being corrected. So, it's a lie.

That would be you, obviously.

Finish your argument with Truth7t7, I can imagine how difficult it is to discuss with 2 people. Especially when one is way out there, there is a reason I do not discuss anything with that user..

when your done messing with him, come talk to me again, I think we can get somewhere..

 

[Truth7t7]

If your saying jesus is the one who confirms the covenant for one week. Then that is what you are saying

deny it all you want.. your fooling yourself.

Yes they falsely believe the "he" in Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ, when this is actually (The Man Of Sin/The Beast)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Fact us, the "prince" isn't Jesus Christ nor were the Roman Soldiers people of the prince, and the "he" isn't Jesus Christ as many falsely claim

Are you too afraid to acknowledge the point I made in my post? Can you not acknowledge that the reasoning you were using to conclude that "the prince" of Daniel 9:26 could not be Jesus was faulty? You acted as if the fact that it's not capitalized in an English translation proves that it can't be referring to Jesus. Yet, He is referred to as "the prince" (not capitalized) in Revelation 1:5, which proves that your reasoning is faulty. Can you acknowledge that?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Finish your argument with Truth7t7, I can imagine how difficult it is to discuss with 2 people. Especially when one is way out there, there is a reason I do not discuss anything with that user..

when your done messing with him, come talk to me again, I think we can get somewhere..

I'm simply asking you to tell me who claimed that Jesus confirmed a seven year covenant rather than confirming an eternal covenant over a seven year period. Is this your way of trying to get around that? I can talk to two people at once even if you can't understand how. So, feel free to tell me who claimed that. No need to wait until I'm done talking to someone else.

 

[Truth7t7]

Finish your argument with Truth7t7, I can imagine how difficult it is to discuss with 2 people. Especially when one is way out there, there is a reason I do not discuss anything with that user..

when your done messing with him, come talk to me again, I think we can get somewhere..

1.) When did or will Daniel's AOD take place as seen in verse 15 below?

2.) When did or will the great tribulation take place as seen in verse 21 below?

Matthew 24:15 & 21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They are..

everytime they say jesus in the prince who confirmed the covenant

Dan 9: 27
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

It says right there in black and white, he shall confirm a covennt for 1 week (seven years
in the middle of the week (3.5 years) he shall bring and end to sacrifice and offering.

if you claim HE is jesus, you claim he confirms a covenant for one week. You can;t claim jesus put and end to sacrifice and offering, and deny he confirmed a covenant for 7 years.

Yet i just proved that you are the one lying about anyone claiming jesus confirmed a covenant for 1 week.

Because everyone who says that Jesus is the “he” says just that!!deny it all you want..

You’re not hurting me, you’re proving me right.

Are you just pretending to be dense or....? I'm talking about the duration of the covenant, not about who confirms it. No one who believes it's talking about Jesus is claiming that it only has a 7 year duration (instead we say it is eternal), yet that is how you are coming across, acting as if someone has claimed that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you too afraid to acknowledge the point I made in my post? Can you not acknowledge that the reasoning you were using to conclude that "the prince" of Daniel 9:26 could not be Jesus was faulty? You acted as if the fact that it's not capitalized in an English translation proves that it can't be referring to Jesus. Yet, He is referred to as "the prince" (not capitalized) in Revelation 1:5, which proves that your reasoning is faulty. Can you acknowledge that?

The KJV translators knew well that (Messiah the Prince) was deity, and they knew well (the prince) wasn't deity

You are looking for a gnat to support your false claims, while the entire time your swallowing a camel

Matthew 23:24KJV
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1.) When did or will Daniel's AOD take place as seen in verse 15 below?

2.) When did or will the great tribulation take place as seen in verse 21 below?

Matthew 24:15 & 21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Did you somehow miss that he is not interested in discussing anything with you? Yet, you respond to him, anyway? LOL.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The KJV translators knew well that (Messiah the Prince) was deity, and they knew well (the prince) wasn't deity

You are looking for a gnat to support your false claims, while the entire time your swallowing a camel

Matthew 23:24KJV
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

So, what is your explanation for them not capitalizing the word "prince" in Revelation 1:5 then? They made a mistake?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes they falsely believe the "he" in Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ, when this is actually (The Man Of Sin/The Beast)

Congratulations on agreeing with a pre-trib dispensationalist's interpretation of Daniel 9:27. You must be proud.

 

[covenantee]

A lot of mumbo jumbo here

But nothing to do with the prophecy of daniel 9

Everything to do with Daniel 9, which is everything to do with Messiah the Prince.

 

[Truth7t7]

Congratulations on agreeing with a pre-trib dispensationalist's interpretation of Daniel 9:27. You must be proud.

The "he" in Daniel 9:27 refers to "the prince" in Daniel 9:26 and this isn't Jesus Christ as you falsely teach and believe, nor does Jesus cause desolation as the future (man of sin/the beast) will

The scripture in Daniel 9:27 teaches that "the prince" the "he" will be present on earth to the "Consummation" the end that will be seen in the second coming, a future event unfulfilled

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm simply asking you to tell me who claimed that Jesus confirmed a seven year covenant rather than confirming an eternal covenant over a seven year period. Is this your way of trying to get around that? I can talk to two people at once even if you can't understand how. So, feel free to tell me who claimed that. No need to wait until I'm done talking to someone else.

How about you show me where the prophecy said that anyone will confirm an eternal covenant over 7 years?

Jesus confirmed an eternal covenant on the cross. not over 7 years.

If this is what your saying, it makes it even more unreasonable for me to see it your way..

 

[covenantee]

The "he" in Daniel 9:27 refers to "the prince" in Daniel 9:26 and this isn't Jesus Christ as you falsely teach and believe, nor does Jesus cause desolation as the future (man of sin/the beast) will

The scripture in Daniel 9:27 teaches that "the prince" the "he" will be present on earth to the "Consummation" the end that will be seen in the second coming, a future event unfulfilled

And who does "the prince" in Daniel 9:26 refer to?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you just pretending to be dense or....? I'm talking about the duration of the covenant, not about who confirms it. No one who believes it's talking about Jesus is claiming that it only has a 7 year duration (instead we say it is eternal), yet that is how you are coming across, acting as if someone has claimed that.

Sometimes I just want to scream

And he will confirm a covenant with many for 1 week.

Please explain how you get what you said above out of these words??

Are you saying He is not Jesus?

Are you saying he did not confirm a covenant for 1 week (7 years)

which is it.. because your making my head spin

 

[Truth7t7]

He confirmed His Eternal Covenant in His Blood with Israel via His Ministry on earth for the first 3.5 years of the 70th week, and after His Death, Resurrection, and Ascension, He confirmed His Eternal Covenant in His Blood with Israel via His Disciples' ministry on earth for the remaining 3.5 years of the 70th week.

Your claim is a man made fairy tale concerning the 70th week of Daniel, it will be the (man of sin/the beast) that makes a future covenant in the middle of a future 70th week, 33AD Calvary played no part in the 70th week fulfillment as reformed preterist eschatology falsely teaches

 

[Truth7t7]

And who does "the prince" in Daniel 9:26 refer to?

The leader/king of a future people a Jew and he will make a false covenant of peace with muslims that will surround a future Jerusalem with armies, in response to future Jews that have taken their holy mosque on the dome of the rock, to build a future Jewish Temple

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Everything to do with Daniel 9, which is everything to do with Messiah the Prince.

Nope

Dan 9 has everything to do with Gods answer to daniels prayer, concerning his people. And his holy city

dan 9: 24 “Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,

No mention of the messiah..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The leader of a future people (I Believe Muslim) that will surround a future Jerusalem

See, now this is why I digress. And refuse to talk with certain people

Muslim.. give me a break..

Rome (europe) is not Muslim..

Nor will the antichrist be Muslim He will set HIMSELF up as Gods messiah, which means he must destroy all religions INCLUDING ISLAM.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How about you show me where the prophecy said that anyone will confirm an eternal covenant over 7 years?

Can something only be true in scripture if it's explicitly spelled out to you? If so, why did Paul indicate that spiritual discernment is required to understand God's word (read 1 Corinthians 2:9-16)?

Can you show me where the prophecy says that the covenant lasts for seven years rather than it taking seven years to confirm the covenant?

Jesus confirmed an eternal covenant on the cross. not over 7 years.

His ministry on earth as well as the preaching of the gospel in Israel were part of confirming the new covenant.