Where was Jesus between his death and resurrection?

[face2face]

Of course. God sent Himself in the flesh.

Why?

 

[Brakelite]

OUr souls and spirits are immortal.

Only God is immortal.
As for Jesus preaching to those who died in Noah's day. It's true. He did. But not in person. He preached to those who are now dead through the Spirit that was in Noah. He didn't give them a second chance, no more than anyone else.

 

[Brakelite]

Of course. God sent Himself in the flesh.

No, “16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. ”
John 3:16-18 KJV

God remained in heaven, His Son became flesh. Both are God, but only one became flesh.

 

[face2face]

God remained in heaven, His Son became flesh. Both are God, but only one became flesh.

I believe Jesus' identity and "person" is connected to the line of David although he was a perfect reflection of God in Character. I cannot see how he could have pre-existed as a god.

Even the Lord is his glorified state said, “I am the root and the offspring of David,” says Jesus (Revelation 22:16)

The Lord's being, is that he was the Son of Man who became the Son of God...the first man to be glorified and exalted having not been so before.

You cannot inherit a name, immortality and his exalted position if it was always in his possession.

I appreciate this is not your view.

F2F

 

[face2face]

@Brakelite

Christ is Yahweh manifest in flesh (2 Cor 5:19; 1 Tim. 3:16). He is the "root" of David because David's greatness stemmed from the divine purpose and promise to reveal Himself in a Redeemer (Isa 11:1,10). He is the "offspring" of David, inasmuch as he came in the line of David (Luke 1:32-33; Rom. 1:3-4).

If Jesus were a God, and part of the Deity without Beginning, we would expect to see this clearly stated in the Revelation & Gospels, as being a significant salvific teaching.

It is not.

F2F

 

[Brakelite]

@Brakelite

Christ is Yahweh manifest in flesh (2 Cor 5:19; 1 Tim. 3:16). He is the "root" of David because David's greatness stemmed from the divine purpose and promise to reveal Himself in a Redeemer (Isa 11:1,10). He is the "offspring" of David, inasmuch as he came in the line of David (Luke 1:32-33; Rom. 1:3-4).

If Jesus were a God, and part of the Deity without Beginning, we would expect to see this clearly stated in the Revelation & Gospels, as being a significant salvific teaching.

It is not.

F2F

“16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ”
John 3:16-17 KJV

The Scripture clearly says that God sent His only begotten Son. Surely then, God had a Son to send?

 

[Fred J]

These were righteous people who were given an extension of life on earth.

The unrighteous died without knowing Jesus.

Romans 3:
23. For all have sinned, and come short of the Glory of GOD;
24. Being justified freely by HIS grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

How are we able to distinguish between righteous and unrighteous, when 'all' have sinned, and come short of the Glory of GOD ?

When the Law was given sin came to life, hence all Israelite are accountable to sin. Temporary cleansing and sacrifices were provided in the Law for them to be redeemed and cleanse untill the end of the night. And when the next day, it's another similar routine, secure to the end of the night. For none can fulfill the righteousness of the Law, and also to the saying of the Prophets.

From Moses' to the Prophets' sayings, there's some one to come from among them, who will redeem them all. Since Jesus Christ accomplished the Law and the Prophets, and redeemed the world from all sins once and for all. Therefore only then, even the asleep saints were able to come out alive from their graves and show themselves.

In the Old Testament the saints were justified by faith to the Word of GOD, later to the word of Law and to word of the Prophets. And not justified as righteous saints in fulfilling the Spiritual Law of Moses. Likewise with the world, all Israelite have sinned, and come short of the Glory of GOD.

Even the leaders of Israel and masters of the Law during Jesus' time, fall short in fulfilling to the letter of the Law. As Jesus exposed them in Matthew 23:23, where to the certain part of the Law they do accomplish. But on the other hand, they have omitted the weightier matters of the Law and fall short.

According to Apostle Paul, the Law was given to the Israelite, for them to know they are sinners. Until cum to the saying of the Prophets, a promised one shall come to deliver them from their enemies. Apparently their enemies are not the Romans or other human forces, but rather the devil, his angels, sin and death.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Jack]

Why?

To give you opportunity to escape Hell Fire!

 

[Jack]

No, “16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. ”
John 3:16-18 KJV

God remained in heaven, His Son became flesh. Both are God, but only one became flesh.

Amen to that!

 

[Scott Downey]

Before Christ ascended into Heaven to be with the Father again in the glory they had before the world was, He first descended into the lower parts of the earth. Naturally the inner earth is a hell like fiery place, tremendous pressures. It is no stretch to think Hell exists within the earth, Hell is certainly not in the Heavens. And Hell was created after the natural creation of the earth and the heavens, as hell was created for the devil and his angels.

Jesus rules everywhere, He is, and has been given the keys of Hell and of Death as He went there when He died, and GOD the Father raised Him from the dead. God has given to the Son all authority and power, so He must by nature fill all things as that is who He is. No one has ever seen God, Christ has declared Him to all. When they saw Christ in His day, they saw God in the flesh and when you die you will understand He truly is the First and the Last, the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the ending.

7 But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. 8 Therefore He says:

“When He ascended on high,
He led captivity captive,
And gave gifts to men.”
9 (Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

Rev 1, Jesus says He is the First, and the Last.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11 saying, [g]“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches [h]which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band. 14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.

17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying [i]to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of [j]Hades and of Death. 19 [k]Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.

20 The [l]mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the [m]angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands [n]which you saw are the seven churches.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It's only a matter of increasing your learning and understanding of how the words spirit and soul are used in the Word.

How about you start accepting the Lord ceases to exist and then read the Word with that in mind and context.

It's more likely that you will teach yourself rather than listen to me

Also, your 1 Peter quote is not what you make it - maybe consider the context there as well

F2F

How about you accept the fact that when Jesus died He went and preached to the souls in prison?

I do consider the context, why don't you?

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Go back to Genesis and read the context where this is paraphrased from. YOu will find out it is speaking of people who drowned and their apirits were sent to hell (the place of the dead. Whether it was Abrahams Bosom or the place of torments is irrelevant to this discussion, but these were the souls fo people that after Jesus physically died He went and preached to while His body laid in the grave.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Only God is immortal.
As for Jesus preaching to those who died in Noah's day. It's true. He did. But not in person. He preached to those who are now dead through the Spirit that was in Noah. He didn't give them a second chance, no more than anyone else.

That is not what Scripture says in 1 Peter.

 

[TheHC]

When a person dies, he goes to Sheol/Hades, where time stands still.

Yes, that is basically what happens… for the person who died.

The dead “know nothing.” Ecclesiastes 9:5

So, when their resurrection occurs, it’ll seem instantaneous, even if they died 4,000 yrs ago.

He went to Hades, the dwelling place of the dead. Matthew 12:40.. “….three days….in the heart of the earth.”

Isaiah 38:18…“For the Grave cannot glorify you, Death cannot praise you. Those who go down into the pit cannot hope for your faithfulness.”

Psalm 115:17…”The dead do not praise Jah; Nor do any who go down into the silence of death.”

So for 3 days, Jesus ‘knew nothing.’
He couldn’t praise his Father, his God.

 

[TheHC]

How about you accept the fact that when Jesus died He went and preached to the souls in prison?

I do consider the context, why don't you?

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

You’re forgetting vs.18. This was after He was “made alive,” ie., His resurrection.

Jesus was dead for 3 days. Then, on the 3rd day, He was resurrected, ie., “made alive in the spirit.”

 

[face2face]

How about you accept the fact that when Jesus died He went and preached to the souls in prison?

I do consider the context, why don't you?

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Is it Spirits or Souls?

 

[face2face]

“16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. ”
John 3:16-17 KJV

The Scripture clearly says that God sent His only begotten Son. Surely then, God had a Son to send?

From this you assume pre-existence.

You may need to further consider John's teachings in John 3:13

"even the Son of man which is in heaven". Did the Son of man literally come down from heaven?

If you so believe, then Flesh can glory in His Presence!

This begs the question Brakelight...in what way can it be said the Master came from Heaven? What about John 6:33, 38 & 51?

The other nuance to Johns teaching which you need to explore is the Old Testament language of theophany (God appearing). A manifestation of divine power is referred to as "God coming down". The completion of the theophany is God "going up" or ascending. (Genesis 11:5; 18:21; Exod. 3:7, 8; 19:11, 18, 20; 34:5; Psa. 18:9, 10; Isa. 64:1.)

Also, Jesus did not literally come down from Heaven. His origin was heavenly, (as the context states - John 3:31), in-so-far as he was conceived by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven and his teaching was not his own but his Father's. (Luke 1:35; John 7:16; 17:14).

If, you study this for yourself, which I know you will do, the truth will become clear.

F2F

 

[face2face]

To give you opportunity to escape Hell Fire!

It's clear you don't know why yourself!
This is as far as you can go in these chats Jack!

 

[face2face]

How about you accept the fact that when Jesus died He went and preached to the souls in prison?

I do consider the context, why don't you?

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Go back to Genesis and read the context where this is paraphrased from. YOu will find out it is speaking of people who drowned and their apirits were sent to hell (the place of the dead. Whether it was Abrahams Bosom or the place of torments is irrelevant to this discussion, but these were the souls fo people that after Jesus physically died He went and preached to while His body laid in the grave.

Ronald

Lets assume your understanding of these matters for a moment.

How can the "spirit" go back to God who gave it, (Ecc. 12:7) and yet be imprisoned in hades?

Your reference to Jesus' parable concerning Lazarus is making you even more confused!

I suggest you study the theme of Spirit in the OT and then you will be better equipt to deal with the theme of Spirit in the NT.

Happy to help anytime

F2F

 

[Taken]

Where was Jesus between his death and resurrection?


Dead body in Cave…..
Departed Living soul in Hell…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[face2face]

Where was Jesus between his death and resurrection?


Dead body in Cave…..
Departed Living soul in Hell…

Glory to God,
Taken

Wow if you properly understood hell to mean grave and soul to mean life then you would be onto something but I'm thinking you have a lot of mythology going on in that response lol