When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

[Davy]

There was a singular event that “set up” or “fulfilled” the Destruction of the Temple in 70 ad as Titus and the Roman army also entered into the inner chamber and carried away the instruments contained in the inner chamber.

But what brought on the desolation and destruction of the Temple was all the abominations of the children of Israel.

Jeremiah 7:30
For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the Lord: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.

You might want to study what the Jewish historian Josephus said about the Roman destruction of the 2nd temple. It burned down while they were trying to seize it. So the Romans did NOT... setup any 'abomination' IDOL inside that temple in 70 A.D. Those you listen to try to come up with all sorts of false ideas claiming the Romans setup an abomination, even with claiming the Roman eagle being in the outer court of the temple was enough to fulfill the "abomination of desolation". Their attitude goes against the written Scripture, so 'anything will do' is their view to try and change the meaning of the Daniel prophecy so as to wrongly push it... back in history.

 

[Davy]

1. This is NOT an abomination of desolation
2. No one could visibly see this happen
3. In Luke 21, Jesus said, when you see the armies surround Jerusalem( the sign) IT's Desolation is near..so Run!
4. In Matt 24. Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation, standing in the Holy Place (the sign) Run

these are two different events. happening in two different time periods.

Exactly, the Luke 21 version of Christ's Olivet discourse doesn't point to the "abomination of desolation" IDOL setup in the temple, but instead to the coming desolation by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, which is a different event. The AOD event happens PRIOR to the armies coming up against Jerusalem, and this is easy to understand because Jesus using the "day of vengeance" idea from Isaiah 61:2 about His future 2nd coming on the "day of the Lord" when He will destroy those armies per Zech.14 and Rev.16 about the battle of Armageddon on the last day of this world.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

1. This is NOT an abomination of desolation
2. No one could visibly see this happen
3. In Luke 21, Jesus said, when you see the armies surround Jerusalem( the sign) IT's Desolation is near..so Run!
4. In Matt 24. Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation, standing in the Holy Place (the sign) Run

these are two different events. happening in two different time periods.

This has no bearing on what the abomination of desolation is

They are not 2 different events, all the gospel accounts agree. Jesus was talking about the Destruction of the Temple both He and the apostles were looking at with THEIR OWN EYES!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Exactly, the Luke 21 version of Christ's Olivet discourse doesn't point to the "abomination of desolation" IDOL setup in the temple, but instead to the coming desolation by the armies surrounding Jerusalem, which is a different event. The AOD event happens PRIOR to the armies coming up against Jerusalem, and this is easy to understand because Jesus using the "day of vengeance" idea from Isaiah 61:2 about His future 2nd coming on the "day of the Lord" when He will destroy those armies per Zech.14 and Rev.16 about the battle of Armageddon on the last day of this world.

we see them both even in Dan 9

1. The people of the future prince will destroy the city and sanctuary (Luke 21)
2. He (this prince) will confirm a covenant with the many for one week. but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, (Matt 24) Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” The great tribulation spoken of By Jesus.

Its not rocket science, we just need to read.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They are not 2 different events, all the gospel accounts agree. Jesus was talking about the Destruction of the Temple both He and the apostles were looking at with THEIR OWN EYES!

Um, Yes they are two events, Daniel even separates them as two events (see above)

We even have two different accounts.

1. In luke, The disciples ask.. 7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

This is only about the destruction of the temple. No other question or answer was given,

2. In matt 24's account, they asked 3 questions.. Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Matt gives the account which is deeper and answers the other questions. about the signs of the end of the age, and of Christs return.

The armies surrounding the city is the sign of when "these things will be " not one stone.

The abomination of desolation is the sign which leads us to the end of the age, and his return.

once again, two different events, at two different times

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Um, Yes they are two events, Daniel even separates them as two events (see above)

We even have two different accounts.

1. In luke, The disciples ask.. 7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

This is only about the destruction of the temple. No other question or answer was given,

2. In matt 24's account, they asked 3 questions.. Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Matt gives the account which is deeper and answers the other questions. about the signs of the end of the age, and of Christs return.

The armies surrounding the city is the sign of when "these things will be " not one stone.

The abomination of desolation is the sign which leads us to the end of the age, and his return.

once again, two different events, at two different times

All 3 gospels are giving the same account about first, the coming destruction of the Temple they were looking at WITH THEIR OWN EYES. And secondly about the signs that would precede the second coming of Christ and the end of the world.

All 3 accounts are speaking of the same events.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

All 3 gospels are giving the same account about first, the coming destruction of the Temple they were looking at WITH THEIR OWN EYES. And secondly about the signs that would precede the second coming of Christ and the end of the world.

All 3 accounts are speaking of the same events.

Actually. Luke 21 and Matt 24 are speaking of two events

Luke speaks of the destruction of the city in answer to daniel 9, And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and sanctuary..

Matt speaks of the end of the age. when the great tribulation will immediately follow. which will be cut short when Christ returns, because if he does not cut it short. no flesh (life) would be left on earth.

2 events.

why you can not see this, I do not understand

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Actually. Luke 21 and Matt 24 are speaking of two events

Luke speaks of the destruction of the city in answer to daniel 9, And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and sanctuary..

Matt speaks of the end of the age. when the great tribulation will immediately follow. which will be cut short when Christ returns, because if he does not cut it short. no flesh (life) would be left on earth.

2 events.

why you can not see this, I do not understand

Believe what you will.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Believe what you will.

I will believe what Jesus and Gabriel said.

I pray you will also.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus said right at the end of the 69th week. the truth would be hidden from Daniels people and his holy city would be destroyed. Which actually Daniel also said

Books, chapters, verses?

 

[covenantee]

better than believing in a 70th week that never happened, and claiming it did.

Decapitated, orphaned, and undetermined.

What glorious "doctrine".

 

[covenantee]

1. This is NOT an abomination of desolation
2. No one could visibly see this happen
3. In Luke 21, Jesus said, when you see the armies surround Jerusalem( the sign) IT's Desolation is near..so Run!
4. In Matt 24. Jesus said when you see the abomination of desolation, standing in the Holy Place (the sign) Run

these are two different events. happening in two different time periods.

This has no bearing on what the abomination of desolation is

For those who interpret Scripture with Scripture, Luke 21:20 identifies the abomination of desolation.

It was the Roman armies.

The Judaean Christians recognized it and fled and survived.

Because not one of them was a dispensational futurist.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Books, chapters, verses?

Matthew 23:37

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”​

Luke 13:34
34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! 35 See! Your house is left to you desolate; and [k]assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Luke 19:42
saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Decapitated, orphaned, and undetermined.

What glorious "doctrine".

Yawn

as usual. you have nothing.. just pompous puffing your chest..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

For those who interpret Scripture with Scripture, Luke 21:20 identifies the abomination of desolation.

It was the Roman armies.

Nope

This is in error/.

The Judaean Christians recognized it and fled and survived.

They did what Jesus told them to do. when you see the armies surround jerusalem flee..

Bu tthe time the armies would have reached the temple. it would have been to late to flee

Because not one of them was a dispensational futurist.

No, what they were was people who listened to Jesus word.

Just like those who in the future see the abomination of desolation STANDING IN THE HOLY PLACE will do when they see this happen.

 

[covenantee]

Yawn

as usual. you have nothing.. just pompous puffing your chest..

You have a decapitated head on a pike.

I don't.

 

[covenantee]

They did what Jesus told them to do. when you see the armies surround jerusalem flee..

Bu tthe time the armies would have reached the temple. it would have been to late to flee

Thanks for confirming that they recognized the abomination of desolation.

 

[covenantee]

Matthew 23:37

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”​

Luke 13:34
34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, but you were not willing! 35 See! Your house is left to you desolate; and [k]assuredly, I say to you, you shall not see Me until the time comes when you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Luke 19:42
saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.

Describe in detail how those decapitate anything.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You have a decapitated head on a pike.

I don't.

Nope

I have Gods written word on my side..

You have silly childish attacks.. which mean nothing, and alot of pride you display. Pumping your chest like a good little pharisee

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks for confirming that they recognized the abomination of desolation.

No they did not, they could not. because one did nto happen. Nothing stood in the holy place. and even if it did, the holy place is deep inside the temple. they could never see it standing there

but nice try