When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?

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Spiritual Israelite

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The Gentiles (the world) were deceived before Satan's banishment from heaven. They were in darkness. They were ignorant. Repeated Scripture shows that. You skipped around what SJ presented. I think you missed his point.
He made no effort to get my point. I believe I was clear. I showed him Ephesians 2:11-13 and he acts like it either doesn't exist or that Paul was making things up there.

They are no longer without excuse. The light has shone on the nations.

For many centuries Yahweh was ethnic Israel's God. He was God of the Hebrew people. After the First Advent, He was God of the nations. The Gospel opportunity widened to embrace the darkened Gentiles. This was not the case prior to Calvary, with the special exception of Nineveh. The Gospel expanse has gone from "the nation" (singular) before the cross to "the nations" (plural) after the cross. The nations now contain God's chosen people, not simply the nation!

In the Old Testament, God governed Israel in a theocracy, Satan, on the other hand, ruled the nations. The Gentiles were overwhelmingly ignorant to God’s truth and outside of His covenant favor. They were spiritually deceived. They were bound in paganism and blinded by idolatry. They sat in spiritual darkness. Only one single Gentile village/town/city experienced salvation that we know of. The world in general was deceived, not knowing anything about the grace of God or His merciful way of salvation.

Acts 17:30 tells us: “the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.”

What is “the times of this ignorance”? What does this mean? Who is this talking about? It is the state of the Gentile nations before the earthly ministry of Christ and the introduction of His Messianic reign. Before Christ came Satan was able to prevent the Word of God from being heard throughout the world. Before the cross, the heathen were ignorant to the truth and therefore in desperate need of enlightenment.

The Gentiles are constantly depicted in the Old Testament as being in darkness. They are described as being ignored, blind and without hope. They are depicted as being imprisoned in chains.

Acts 14:16 teaches that God in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.”

Did this mean every Gentile in the Old Testament time was unsaved?

No. This tells us that “all nations” were allowed “to walk in their own ways” in the Old Testament era. They were deceived by the lie of the devil and separated from God and from grace.
Before Christ came, Satan was able to prevent the Word of God from being heard throughout the world. The Gentiles are constantly depicted in the Old Testament as being in darkness. Before the cross they were ignorant to the truth and therefore in desperate need of enlightenment. Ignorance in Scripture is always linked to lack of knowledge of the Word of God. It is a fact that the Gospel witness had not reached the nations prior to the earthly ministry of Christ.

Ephesians 2:11-13 confirms this, saying, ye being in time past Gentiles [Gr. ethnos] in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

The Gentiles generally were in a hopeless condition before the cross, “having no hope, and without God in the world” (Ephesians 2:12). That is a pretty grim state to be in. However, the darkness over the nations (ethnos) was lifted when the Gospel light began to shine. Now there was glorious hope and a way of escape from their despair. Satan had lost his grip over the nations, now it was time for him to be unseated in the lives of countless of millions of heathens.

Israel on the other hand, whilst often in rebellion, was subject to the truth. Prophet after prophet came preaching the unsearchable riches of God. They therefore had no excuse. The people were enlightened to the law of God and therefore God’s expectation of them. Notwithstanding, that did not mean the chosen nation was immune from satanic deception. Israel (who alone possessed God's special favor, and from whom the Messiah came) still mainly died in unbelief before Christ.

Satan was bound (or spiritually curtailed) in order to facilitate the invasion of his territory by the Gospel. Remember, Satan is a spiritual being; he must therefore be spiritually bound. That is what happened at the cross. Countless millions of Gentiles have come to Christ since the cross.

There was a spiritual deception over the Gentiles before the cross that has now been lifted. The darkness has been confronted and exposed and overcome through the Light of the truth. That light is centered in the person and message of Christ. Satan is no longer able to deceive the Gentiles in this New Testament age in the same manner and scope as he deceived them prior to Jesus’ binding Satan at the cross.

Scripture repeatedly identifies the Messianic intra-Advent period as the time of the enlightenment of the Gentiles. This does not in any way insinuate that all will be saved. Not in any way. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles are now without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted.

When Scripture speaks about the enlightenment of the Gentiles and the removal of the deception it doesn’t mean that every Gentile will be saved, but that the Gospel message and opportunity would be extended to them as a whole – just like Israel experienced it in the Old Testament.

Zacharias the father of John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost in Luke 1:67-80 and prophesied: “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life … Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”

As you read through the Old Testament and as you see the revelation of God being outlined prior to the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry, believers knew that the Gospel was going to go the Gentiles. Here (in this passage) the enlightenment of the Gentiles is directly predicted. This is speaking about the great commission and this current intra-Advent period. Here is the foretelling of the enlightenment of the nations.

Luke 2:27 "the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel."

Many conveniently overlook the seismic change in regard to the Gospel opportunity that exist today (in comparison to before the cross) in regard to the nations access to truth. Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

The deception was lifted and truth shone bright throughout the nations.
Well said. But, I think he will probably ignore all of it because he wants to believe in premil no matter what evidence we provide to support Amil and refute Premil.
 

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No informed objective impartial Bible student could possibly deny that Satan sustained a blow to the head at Calvary that has seriously limited his power thereafter. Neither could they deny that the absolute sway he once held over the Gentile nations has now been seriously weakened through the global spread of the Gospel. The absolute control he had over whole nations has now been broken since the cross. If Premils see no difference between God's dealing with the nations (ethnos) before the cross and after then they must be living on another planet.
Absolutely! It's incredibly insulting to Christ and the work He accomplished on the cross to suggest that nothing changed after His death and resurrection in relation to Satan and the world. Why did He come then if that was the case? Scripture says He came to the destroy the works of the devil and to take the power of death away from him and to turn the Gentiles from the power of Satan to God (Acts 26:18). Premils just ignore all of that! It's truly unbelievable. And, because they ignore all of that they also miss the authority we have as Christ followers over the spiritual enemy because of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us and the power that He gives us to overcome the enemy and preach the gospel throughout the world.

With Christ's victory on the cross, Satan's powers, control and territory were vastly lessened and the Gospel was finally received by all nations, tribes, tongues, and peoples of the world. The Gentiles that were once in total darkness were now able to freely enter into salvation by simple faith in Christ. The opportunity of salvation was now open to the “whosoever believeth.” That wasn’t the case before the cross. Prior to Calvary, the Gospel was exclusively restricted to the small physical nation of Israel with the occasional conversion of a Gentile like Ruth or Rahab or exceptional city like Nineveh. Satan ruled the nations, whereas, Israel was a lone theocracy governed by God and His commands.

Scripture repeatedly identifies the Messianic intra-Advent period as the time of the enlightenment of the Gentiles. This does not in any way insinuate that all will be saved. Not in any way. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles are now without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted.

When Scripture speaks about the enlightenment of the Gentiles and the removal of the deception it doesn’t mean that every Gentile will be saved, but that the Gospel message and opportunity would be extended to them as a whole – just like Israel experienced it in the Old Testament. That did not mean the majority would experience salvation, as was the same in Israel under the old covenant. There was simply a faithful remnant in the wider group who would hear and receive. It was those who had eyes to see and ears to hear.

Scripture is talking about the Gentiles as a collective whole. It is making a general spiritual observation.

The Gentiles that sat on death row have now been liberated in significant numbers by the cross. Through it He defeated the authority of Satan and took back all that belonged to Adam. The devil’s ability to deceive the nations has been damaged with the widespread evangelization of the Gentiles. No longer to they sit in complete darkness as before. Death has lost its sting. Christ defeated it and took the keys of “the keys of hell and of death” (Revelation 1:18), triumphing over the prince of darkness.
Amen! In Revelation 7:9 it refers to the number of saved people as "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues". Clearly, that is not how the number of saved people in OT times would be described. There wasn't a multitude of people saved in OT times from all nations, but there has been in NT times. How can premils act as if nothing changed in relation to Satan and in relation to salvation in NT times! It most certainly did! In a huge way! And they deny this? This is why the Amil vs. Premil debate is important. Premils do not have a full understanding of what Jesus accomplished on the cross and they do not understand the power and authority that He has NOW and that His followers have NOW because of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us.
 

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Thanks for confirming what both Jesus And I have stated about the word NOW.

No! You have the wrong understanding of what was said in the Greek because of the way it has been translated and the modern understanding of the word "now."

Now, you have been told a number of times that your understanding is flawed so since you do not want to be corrected, then it is best that we leave it up to the readers to decide for themselves who is more probably right.

Goodbye
 

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That is a baseless conclusion. Scripture says that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8) and that He took the power of death away from the devil, Satan (Hebrews 2:14-15). And that He came to bind the strong man and spoil his goods and his house (Matt 12:28-29). Do you think that Jesus failed to accomplish what He came to do?


No, he absolutely is not. Do you not accept what Paul taught here:

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Do you not even understand what Jesus Christ has accomplished? If God is for us, who can be against us? No one, including Satan. Who can bring any charge/accusation against God's chosen/elect? No one. How can Satan still accuse believers before God in heaven? What he can he accuse us of? Nothing! Our sins are forgiven! The blood of Christ has covered our sins! Do you not understand these basic things? You need to learn how to interpret scripture with scripture. You are interpreting one scripture in a way that contradicts other scripture. You can't do that.


There absolutely is not.


Your understanding of scripture is very faulty. You're another one of those lone wolves who has a doctrine all to yourself. You're all wrong. God does not reveal truth to just one person.

Really. Oh well, have it your way and let us see if Armageddon occurs in around 20 years time.
 

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Now, you have been told a number of times that your understanding is flawed so since you do not want to be corrected, then it is best that we leave it up to the readers to decide for themselves who is more probably right.

Goodbye
I am being told my understanding is flawed by those who do not understand WHEN Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.
I provided scriptural PROOF others provide false accusations.
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I am being told my understanding is flawed by those who do not understand WHEN Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.
I provided scriptural PROOF others provide false accusations.
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Are you able to respond to the other posts above?
 

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He made no effort to get my point.
Your point had nothing to do with wether or not Satan was cast out of heaven down to earth.

I know you and others believe Satan is bound right now, because you believe the thousand year of Christ had already taken place. But it has not.

If you do not stick to the topic of the OP I am not going to respond.




Well said. But, I think he will probably ignore all of it because he wants to believe in premil no matter what evidence we provide to support Amil and refute Premil.
 

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If Satan were already bound why would Peter say in
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

How can Satan be walking around on earth devouring people if he is already bound?
 

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How could this happen if Satan was already bound for a thousand years?

Acts 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
 

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Why would Paul say this if Satan was already bound for a thousand years?

Romans 16:20
And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
 

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How can Satan tempt you if he is already bound for a thousand years?

1 Corinthians 7:5
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency
 

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How can Satan deceive the whole world if he is already bound?

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
 

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How can the whole world worship the Devil/ Satan/ the Red Dragon if he is already bound?

Revelation 13:4

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Clearly the deception is so great that many have been convinced that Satan is already bound for a thousand years and sin no longer reigns on earth. But we know better.;)
 

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How can the whole world worship the Devil/ Satan/ the Red Dragon if he is already bound?
Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Clearly the deception is so great that many have been convinced that Satan is already bound for a thousand years and sin no longer reigns on earth. But we know better.;)
Rev 20 is simply talking about the ignorance hanging over the Gentiles (ethnos) being lifted since Christ's "first resurrection." This was predicted by the prophets and is now being fulfilled as the light of the Gospel shines throughout the nations.

Premil carries zero corroboration. When did Moses, the prophets, Jesus, or the disciples talk about such a period happening after the second coming, apart from your misreading of Rev 20?
 

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If Satan were already bound why would Peter say in
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

How can Satan be walking around on earth devouring people if he is already bound?
You say that our posts are off topic and used that as the reason you didn't address what we said about Satan's binding and then you proceeded to make several new posts related to his binding. Please make up your mind. Do you want to talk about this here in this thread or not? If you do, then please go back and read my and WPM's posts that we already made about that topic so you can understand why we believe what we do about this.