When was Satan cast out of heaven, down to the earth?

[Stewardofthemystery]

There is a lot of confusion concerning when Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth, but the words of Jesus tells usexactly when this happened. Also at this same time is when the spirit of antichrist was prophesied to come, as the spirit of antichrist is of the same spirit as that of the Devil, as the Devil/Satan is the father of this lying spirit called antichrist.

Jesus said in John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much you: for the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me.”
As the lie has no place in the Truth.
Notice Jesus said “Hereafter” meaning this event was soon to take place right after Jesus said those words.

To prove this point, right before Jesus was to be crucified Jesus said in John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” And "now" means at that present time.

Satan/ the Devil/ the old serpent/ the Red Dragon are all speaking of the same angel and the same spirit, which is also called the Prince of this world, or even “the god of this world” in scripture.(2 Cor.4:4)
So to confirm the timing of what Jesus just said we need to go to Revelation chapter 12 where we see the red Dragon standing before the woman, ready to devour her child as soon as it was born. So when did this happen?

This event happened when Herod had heard of the coming of the King of the Jews, and Herod inquired where this man child was to be born, and Herod sought to destroy the child as shown in Matthew 2:13-16. In this you see how Satan, “the Prince of this world”, moves men by his spirit to do his will. In this case it was Herod that was moved by the spirit of the Red Dragon to try to devour the man child as soon as he was born, as is shown in Revelation chapter 12.

This is important to understand, because it is the spirit of the prince of this world that moves people to do his will. This is shown in the prophecy of Daniel with the coming of the prince of this world. In Daniel 9:26 we are told “the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” Notice it says “the prince that shall come”. Many believe this prince is speaking of the Roman commander Titus, but it is really speaking about the coming of the prince of this world, as Jesus said.



Notice in Daniel 9:26 it was “the people of” the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The “people of” the prince that shall come was the Roman army, Titus included. But like with Herod, they too had the same “spirit of the Devil” working in them.
Notice what Jesus says here in John 8:44 “Ye are “of” your father the devil, and“the lusts of” your father you will do. So those who are “of” the spirit of the Devil will also “do” the lusts or desires of their father the Devil.



Jesus went to the cross to destroy the works of the Devil.(1 John 3:8) This is why Jesus announced the judgment of the prince of this world at that time. Jesus said in John 16:11 “Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged” But Jesus also announced the judgment of this world at the same time when Jesus said “now is the judgment of this world, now shall the prince of this world be cast out”.



The judgment of the world is connected to Satan being cast out of heaven and down to the earth. Notice in Revelation 12:12 we see the heavens rejoicing, but we are told “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth.”
So a part of the judgment of the world was Satan being cast down to the earth. Satan being cast down to earth is the first seal judgment seen in Revelation 6:2. When the first seal was opened by the Lamb of God, John heard the sound of thunder. Thunder is usually accompanied by Lighting. Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven”

In Revelation 12 after the ascension of Jesus (the man child) we see the war in heaven and Satan is cast out with his angels down to earth. And we are told in verse 8 “neither was their place found any more in heaven.” In Revelation 12:4 we see the tail of the Red Dragon draw away a third part of the stars of heaven, the stars of heaven represent the angels of heaven who were deceived by the tailof the red dragon, which is the false prophet spirit, or aka the spirit of antichrist.
The spirit of Satan drawing away a third part of the angels (stars) from heaven is also shown in Daniel 8:10. The tail of the dragon that draws away the angels from heaven is the spirit of antichrist, which came at the same time when the Red Dragon was cast down to earth, as the tail is a part of, and is connected to the Red Dragon.

And John confirms the words of Jesus concerning when this spirit of the Devil would come, as John calls this spirit antichrist. John said in 1 John 2:18 “ye have heard that antichrist shall come”

So where did they hear this from? They heard it from Jesus, who said the prince of this world is coming. Again in 1 John 4:3 John says “This is that spirit of antichrist,, whereof ye have heard that it should come.” Again, they heard it from Jesus, that the prince of this world is coming.

And John confirms that this spirit of the Devil called antichrist, had already comein 1 John 4:3 when John said “even now already is it in the world.”

So John agrees with Jesus that the prince of this world and his spirit called antichrist had already come, and was already in the world when John said those words.

The presence of Satan and the spirit of antichrist can be seen in the world by all the evil and lies we see and hear in this world. Just as God has One Spirit that works in many to make up the body of Christ, whose Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth.
Satan also has one spirit that works in many that make up the body of the beast, whose spirit is a lying spirit called antichrist.

So be not deceived. Peace

 

[Jay Ross]

To prove this point, right before Jesus was to be crucified Jesus said in John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” And "now" means at that present time.

Your interpretation is flawed. "Now" does not mean immediately as you are suggesting, but rather the second half of this verse is just confirming that at some time in the future, the prince of this world will be cast out.

If our interpretation is flawed, then our understanding is also flawed.

Again, as in other threads, you are showing your shortcomings with respect to your understanding the scriptures.

Shalom

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There is a lot of confusion concerning when Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth, but the words of Jesus tells usexactly when this happened. Also at this same time is when the spirit of antichrist was prophesied to come, as the spirit of antichrist is of the same spirit as that of the Devil, as the Devil/Satan is the father of this lying spirit called antichrist.

Jesus said in John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much you: for the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me.”
As the lie has no place in the Truth.
Notice Jesus said “Hereafter” meaning this event was soon to take place right after Jesus said those words.

To prove this point, right before Jesus was to be crucified Jesus said in John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” And "now" means at that present time.

Satan/ the Devil/ the old serpent/ the Red Dragon are all speaking of the same angel and the same spirit, which is also called the Prince of this world, or even “the god of this world” in scripture.(2 Cor.4:4)
So to confirm the timing of what Jesus just said we need to go to Revelation chapter 12 where we see the red Dragon standing before the woman, ready to devour her child as soon as it was born. So when did this happen?

This event happened when Herod had heard of the coming of the King of the Jews, and Herod inquired where this man child was to be born, and Herod sought to destroy the child as shown in Matthew 2:13-16. In this you see how Satan, “the Prince of this world”, moves men by his spirit to do his will. In this case it was Herod that was moved by the spirit of the Red Dragon to try to devour the man child as soon as he was born, as is shown in Revelation chapter 12.

This is important to understand, because it is the spirit of the prince of this world that moves people to do his will. This is shown in the prophecy of Daniel with the coming of the prince of this world. In Daniel 9:26 we are told “the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” Notice it says “the prince that shall come”. Many believe this prince is speaking of the Roman commander Titus, but it is really speaking about the coming of the prince of this world, as Jesus said.



Notice in Daniel 9:26 it was “the people of” the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The “people of” the prince that shall come was the Roman army, Titus included. But like with Herod, they too had the same “spirit of the Devil” working in them.
Notice what Jesus says here in John 8:44 “Ye are “of” your father the devil, and“the lusts of” your father you will do. So those who are “of” the spirit of the Devil will also “do” the lusts or desires of their father the Devil.



Jesus went to the cross to destroy the works of the Devil.(1 John 3:8) This is why Jesus announced the judgment of the prince of this world at that time. Jesus said in John 16:11 “Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged” But Jesus also announced the judgment of this world at the same time when Jesus said “now is the judgment of this world, now shall the prince of this world be cast out”.



The judgment of the world is connected to Satan being cast out of heaven and down to the earth. Notice in Revelation 12:12 we see the heavens rejoicing, but we are told “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth.”
So a part of the judgment of the world was Satan being cast down to the earth. Satan being cast down to earth is the first seal judgment seen in Revelation 6:2. When the first seal was opened by the Lamb of God, John heard the sound of thunder. Thunder is usually accompanied by Lighting. Jesus said in Luke 10:18 “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven”

In Revelation 12 after the ascension of Jesus (the man child) we see the war in heaven and Satan is cast out with his angels down to earth. And we are told in verse 8 “neither was their place found any more in heaven.” In Revelation 12:4 we see the tail of the Red Dragon draw away a third part of the stars of heaven, the stars of heaven represent the angels of heaven who were deceived by the tailof the red dragon, which is the false prophet spirit, or aka the spirit of antichrist.
The spirit of Satan drawing away a third part of the angels (stars) from heaven is also shown in Daniel 8:10. The tail of the dragon that draws away the angels from heaven is the spirit of antichrist, which came at the same time when the Red Dragon was cast down to earth, as the tail is a part of, and is connected to the Red Dragon.

And John confirms the words of Jesus concerning when this spirit of the Devil would come, as John calls this spirit antichrist. John said in 1 John 2:18 “ye have heard that antichrist shall come”

So where did they hear this from? They heard it from Jesus, who said the prince of this world is coming. Again in 1 John 4:3 John says “This is that spirit of antichrist,, whereof ye have heard that it should come.” Again, they heard it from Jesus, that the prince of this world is coming.

And John confirms that this spirit of the Devil called antichrist, had already comein 1 John 4:3 when John said “even now already is it in the world.”

So John agrees with Jesus that the prince of this world and his spirit called antichrist had already come, and was already in the world when John said those words.

The presence of Satan and the spirit of antichrist can be seen in the world by all the evil and lies we see and hear in this world. Just as God has One Spirit that works in many to make up the body of Christ, whose Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth.
Satan also has one spirit that works in many that make up the body of the beast, whose spirit is a lying spirit called antichrist.

So be not deceived. Peace

Yes, Satan was cast out of heaven long ago. He formerly was able to accuse God's people before Him day and night in heaven, but could no longer do so after Christ's death and resurrection. Why not? Because His blood covers our sins and provides forgiveness. What does Satan have to accuse us of when our sins are forgiven? Nothing.

Romans 8:33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Who can make any charge/accusation against us? No one. Including Satan.

I'm a bit baffled how you can recognize that Satan was cast out of heaven long ago, but you can't recognize (yet) that Satan's binding and him being cast out of heaven go hand in hand.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your interpretation is flawed. "Now" does not mean immediately as you are suggesting, but rather the second half of this verse is just confirming that at some time in the future, the prince of this world will be cast out.

If our interpretation is flawed, then our understanding is also flawed.

Again, as in other threads, you are showing your shortcomings with respect to your understanding the scriptures.

Shalom

No, your interpretation is flawed. Revelation 12:10 makes it clear that Satan being cast out of heaven coincides with him no longer being able to accuse believers before God in heaven. Do you think he can do that now? Paul says no one can. I just showed this passage in my previous post, but it's one that you apparently are not keeping in mind when interpreting Revelation 12.

Romans 8:33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Who can make any charge/accusation against us? No one. Including Satan. So, he can't possibly still be in heaven accusing believers before God anymore. He has nothing to accuse us of because our sins have been forgiven.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Your interpretation is flawed. "Now" does not mean immediately as you are suggesting, but rather the second half of this verse is just confirming that at some time in the future, the prince of this world will be cast out.

If our interpretation is flawed, then our understanding is also flawed.

Again, as in other threads, you are showing your shortcomings with respect to your understanding the scriptures.

Shalom

Words have meanings, NOW means at the present time, not way off into the future.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yes, Satan was cast out of heaven long ago. He formerly was able to accuse God's people before Him day and night in heaven, but could no longer do so after Christ's death and resurrection. Why not? Because His blood covers our sins and provides forgiveness. What does Satan have to accuse us of when our sins are forgiven? Nothing.

Romans 8:33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Who can make any charge/accusation against us? No one. Including Satan.

I'm a bit baffled how you can recognize that Satan was cast out of heaven long ago, but you can't recognize (yet) that Satan's binding and him being cast out of heaven go hand in hand.

The only ones who are protected from Satan on this earth are those who are born again of God and are sealed by Gods Holy Spirit.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The only ones who are protected from Satan on this earth are those who are born again of God and are sealed by Gods Holy Spirit.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not

Yes, exactly. And that has been a multitude of people during the New Testament time period. How about in Old Testament times? Not so much.

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

In Old Testament times, a vast majority of the Gentiles had "no hope" and were "without God in the world". That changed completely when Christ came and took "the power of death" away from the devil, Satan. After that, a multitude have been delivered from the fear of death with the hope of eternal life through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You're not recognizing that both the casting out of Satan from heaven and his binding relate directly to what Christ did long ago by way of His death and resurrection. The purpose of Satan's binding is not to completely incapacitate him, but rather to prevent him from keeping the world in spiritual darkness and keeping the world from having no hope and being separate from God.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Yes, exactly. And that has been a multitude of people during the New Testament time period. How about in Old Testament times? Not so much.

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

In Old Testament times, a vast majority of the Gentiles had "no hope" and were "without God in the world". That changed completely when Christ came and took "the power of death" away from the devil, Satan. After that, a multitude have been delivered from the fear of death with the hope of eternal life through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You're not recognizing that both the casting out of Satan from heaven and his binding relate directly to what Christ did long ago by way of His death and resurrection. The purpose of Satan's binding is not to completely incapacitate him, but rather to prevent him from keeping the world in spiritual darkness and keeping the world from having no hope and being separate from God.

The OT saints were saved in the same manner as the NT saints, which by Grace through faith in the Word of God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The OT saints were saved in the same manner as the NT saints, which by Grace through faith in the Word of God.

It seems like you are constantly avoiding my points. Why? I said nothing about OT saints being saved in a different way than NT saints. I was showing the difference in how many people have been saved in NT times compared to OT times. Do you not think that has anything to do with what Jesus did to Satan? Do you not think there is any difference between what Satan was able to do in OT times compared to NT times?

Scripture clearly says there is a major difference.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Do you believe Jesus has successfully fulfilled the purpose for which He was manifested?

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Do you believe Jesus successfully took the power of death away from Satan?

I am sure that your answer to both questions will be yes. So, please consider whether verses like these relate to Satan's binding or not. I believe they clearly do.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

It seems like you are constantly avoiding my points. Why? I said nothing about OT saints being saved in a different way than NT saints. I was showing the difference in how many people have been saved in NT times compared to OT times.

But you do not know “how many” saints were saved in OT times do you? Nor do you know the number of NT saints that has been saved either, so your point is mute.

Do you not think that has anything to do with what Jesus did to Satan? Do you not think there is any difference between what Satan was able to do in OT times compared to NT times?

No, because Satan is still deceiving the masses, even more now than ever. It is written he deceives “the whole world.”

Do you believe Jesus has successfully fulfilled the purpose for which He was manifested?

Sure, BUT the Devil is still deceiving the unbelieving world. And those who are of the world are also still worshipping the Devil by serving sin. And the wage of sin is still Death. Only those who are born again have passed from “Death” to Life.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

The Devil and Death will not be totally destroyed UNTIL they are cast into the lake of fire.

Do you believe Jesus successfully took the power of death away from Satan?

No, because people are still living in sin and they are still dying. The last enemy to be destroyed is Death, that has not happened yet.

 

[Jay Ross]

No, your interpretation is flawed. Revelation 12:10 makes it clear that Satan being cast out of heaven coincides with him no longer being able to accuse believers before God in heaven. Do you think he can do that now? Paul says no one can. I just showed this passage in my previous post, but it's one that you apparently are not keeping in mind when interpreting Revelation 12.

The question that needs to be answered is when will Satan be judged and imprisoned in the Bottomless pit?

I would suggest to you that Isaiah 24:21-22 will not happen for another 20 years from now and that is when Satan will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit.

At this present time Satan is still able to accuse believers before God in Heaven.

The answer to your question is very dependent on when there is no longer any place in heaven for Satan to reside in. The Judgement of the Heavenly hosts and the Kings of the earth will not happen until the fourth age of the existence of Israel has been completed because of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children.

Oh well, 20 years is not a long time to wait to see if Isaiah 24:21-22 will occur around 20 years from now.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

Words have meanings, NOW means at the present time, not way off into the future.

That may be your understanding and interpretation in today's idiom and usage of the word "now" but logically when John 12:31 was translated the context of the Greek Root word has the meaning of: -



and



The above meanings was snipped from The Biblehub web site.

I believe that the above confirms what I have previously posted.

Shalom

 

[BlessedPeace]

Ezekiel 28:16-17 (ESV)

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

That may be your understanding and interpretation in today's idiom and usage of the word "now" but logically when John 12:31 was translated the context of the Greek Root word has the meaning of: -

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The above meanings was snipped from The Biblehub web site.

I believe that the above confirms what I have previously posted.

Shalom

Thanks for confirming what both Jesus And I have stated about the word NOW.

 

[WPM]

But you do not know “how many” saints were saved in OT times do you? Nor do you know the number of NT saints that has been saved either, so your point is mute.

No, because Satan is still deceiving the masses, even more now than ever. It is written he deceives “the whole world.”

Sure, BUT the Devil is still deceiving the unbelieving world. And those who are of the world are also still worshipping the Devil by serving sin. And the wage of sin is still Death. Only those who are born again have passed from “Death” to Life.

The Devil and Death will not be totally destroyed UNTIL they are cast into the lake of fire.

No, because people are still living in sin and they are still dying. The last enemy to be destroyed is Death, that has not happened yet.

The Gentiles (the world) were deceived before Satan's banishment from heaven. They were in darkness. They were ignorant. Repeated Scripture shows that. You skipped around what SJ presented. I think you missed his point. They are no longer without excuse. The light has shone on the nations.

For many centuries Yahweh was ethnic Israel's God. He was God of the Hebrew people. After the First Advent, He was God of the nations. The Gospel opportunity widened to embrace the darkened Gentiles. This was not the case prior to Calvary, with the special exception of Nineveh. The Gospel expanse has gone from "the nation" (singular) before the cross to "the nations" (plural) after the cross. The nations now contain God's chosen people, not simply the nation!

In the Old Testament, God governed Israel in a theocracy, Satan, on the other hand, ruled the nations. The Gentiles were overwhelmingly ignorant to God’s truth and outside of His covenant favor. They were spiritually deceived. They were bound in paganism and blinded by idolatry. They sat in spiritual darkness. Only one single Gentile village/town/city experienced salvation that we know of. The world in general was deceived, not knowing anything about the grace of God or His merciful way of salvation.

Acts 17:30 tells us: “the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.”

What is “the times of this ignorance”? What does this mean? Who is this talking about? It is the state of the Gentile nations before the earthly ministry of Christ and the introduction of His Messianic reign. Before Christ came Satan was able to prevent the Word of God from being heard throughout the world. Before the cross, the heathen were ignorant to the truth and therefore in desperate need of enlightenment.

The Gentiles are constantly depicted in the Old Testament as being in darkness. They are described as being ignored, blind and without hope. They are depicted as being imprisoned in chains.

Acts 14:16 teaches that God “in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.”

Did this mean every Gentile in the Old Testament time was unsaved?

No. This tells us that “all nations” were allowed “to walk in their own ways” in the Old Testament era. They were deceived by the lie of the devil and separated from God and from grace.
Before Christ came, Satan was able to prevent the Word of God from being heard throughout the world. The Gentiles are constantly depicted in the Old Testament as being in darkness. Before the cross they were ignorant to the truth and therefore in desperate need of enlightenment. Ignorance in Scripture is always linked to lack of knowledge of the Word of God. It is a fact that the Gospel witness had not reached the nations prior to the earthly ministry of Christ.

Ephesians 2:11-13 confirms this, saying, “ye being in time past Gentiles [Gr. ethnos] in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: but now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

The Gentiles generally were in a hopeless condition before the cross, “having no hope, and without God in the world” (Ephesians 2:12). That is a pretty grim state to be in. However, the darkness over the nations (ethnos) was lifted when the Gospel light began to shine. Now there was glorious hope and a way of escape from their despair. Satan had lost his grip over the nations, now it was time for him to be unseated in the lives of countless of millions of heathens.

Israel on the other hand, whilst often in rebellion, was subject to the truth. Prophet after prophet came preaching the unsearchable riches of God. They therefore had no excuse. The people were enlightened to the law of God and therefore God’s expectation of them. Notwithstanding, that did not mean the chosen nation was immune from satanic deception. Israel (who alone possessed God's special favor, and from whom the Messiah came) still mainly died in unbelief before Christ.

Satan was bound (or spiritually curtailed) in order to facilitate the invasion of his territory by the Gospel. Remember, Satan is a spiritual being; he must therefore be spiritually bound. That is what happened at the cross. Countless millions of Gentiles have come to Christ since the cross.

There was a spiritual deception over the Gentiles before the cross that has now been lifted. The darkness has been confronted and exposed and overcome through the Light of the truth. That light is centered in the person and message of Christ. Satan is no longer able to deceive the Gentiles in this New Testament age in the same manner and scope as he deceived them prior to Jesus’ binding Satan at the cross.

Scripture repeatedly identifies the Messianic intra-Advent period as the time of the enlightenment of the Gentiles. This does not in any way insinuate that all will be saved. Not in any way. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles are now without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted.

When Scripture speaks about the enlightenment of the Gentiles and the removal of the deception it doesn’t mean that every Gentile will be saved, but that the Gospel message and opportunity would be extended to them as a whole – just like Israel experienced it in the Old Testament.

Zacharias the father of John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Ghost in Luke 1:67-80 and prophesied: “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life … Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”

As you read through the Old Testament and as you see the revelation of God being outlined prior to the beginning of Christ’s earthly ministry, believers knew that the Gospel was going to go the Gentiles. Here (in this passage) the enlightenment of the Gentiles is directly predicted. This is speaking about the great commission and this current intra-Advent period. Here is the foretelling of the enlightenment of the nations.

Luke 2:27 "the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel."

Many conveniently overlook the seismic change in regard to the Gospel opportunity that exist today (in comparison to before the cross) in regard to the nations access to truth. Does that mean all Gentiles will be enlightened? Of course not. It is a general statement like Revelation 20.

The deception was lifted and truth shone bright throughout the nations.

 

[WPM]

But you do not know “how many” saints were saved in OT times do you? Nor do you know the number of NT saints that has been saved either, so your point is mute.

No, because Satan is still deceiving the masses, even more now than ever. It is written he deceives “the whole world.”

Sure, BUT the Devil is still deceiving the unbelieving world. And those who are of the world are also still worshipping the Devil by serving sin. And the wage of sin is still Death. Only those who are born again have passed from “Death” to Life.

The Devil and Death will not be totally destroyed UNTIL they are cast into the lake of fire.

No, because people are still living in sin and they are still dying. The last enemy to be destroyed is Death, that has not happened yet.

No informed objective impartial Bible student could possibly deny that Satan sustained a blow to the head at Calvary that has seriously limited his power thereafter. Neither could they deny that the absolute sway he once held over the Gentile nations has now been seriously weakened through the global spread of the Gospel. The absolute control he had over whole nations has now been broken since the cross. If Premils see no difference between God's dealing with the nations (ethnos) before the cross and after then they must be living on another planet. With Christ's victory on the cross, Satan's powers, control and territory were vastly lessened and the Gospel was finally received by all nations, tribes, tongues, and peoples of the world. The Gentiles that were once in total darkness were now able to freely enter into salvation by simple faith in Christ. The opportunity of salvation was now open to the “whosoever believeth.” That wasn’t the case before the cross. Prior to Calvary, the Gospel was exclusively restricted to the small physical nation of Israel with the occasional conversion of a Gentile like Ruth or Rahab or exceptional city like Nineveh. Satan ruled the nations, whereas, Israel was a lone theocracy governed by God and His commands.

Scripture repeatedly identifies the Messianic intra-Advent period as the time of the enlightenment of the Gentiles. This does not in any way insinuate that all will be saved. Not in any way. With the global expanse of the great commission the Gentiles are now without excuse. The ignorance is gone. The veil is lifted.

When Scripture speaks about the enlightenment of the Gentiles and the removal of the deception it doesn’t mean that every Gentile will be saved, but that the Gospel message and opportunity would be extended to them as a whole – just like Israel experienced it in the Old Testament. That did not mean the majority would experience salvation, as was the same in Israel under the old covenant. There was simply a faithful remnant in the wider group who would hear and receive. It was those who had eyes to see and ears to hear.

Scripture is talking about the Gentiles as a collective whole. It is making a general spiritual observation.

The Gentiles that sat on death row have now been liberated in significant numbers by the cross. Through it He defeated the authority of Satan and took back all that belonged to Adam. The devil’s ability to deceive the nations has been damaged with the widespread evangelization of the Gentiles. No longer to they sit in complete darkness as before. Death has lost its sting. Christ defeated it and took the keys of “the keys of hell and of death” (Revelation 1:18), triumphing over the prince of darkness.

 

[WPM]

The OT saints were saved in the same manner as the NT saints, which by Grace through faith in the Word of God.

You are totally avoiding his point!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But you do not know “how many” saints were saved in OT times do you? Nor do you know the number of NT saints that has been saved either, so your point is mute.

Wow. You just immediately dismiss any points that I make. Are you suggesting that there's no difference between OT times and NT times as it relates to salvation? Was Paul just making the following up in his imagination?

Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Are you suggesting that the Gentiles in OT times did not actually have "no hope" and were not actually "without God in the world"? Did the blood of Christ not make any difference in the world in reality from OT to NT times?

No, because Satan is still deceiving the masses, even more now than ever. It is written he deceives “the whole world.”

Wow. Unbelievable. You clearly have no idea how it was in OT times. And you apparently don't believe what Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:11-13 which is that the Gentiles had no hope and were without God in the world in OT times.

While I do believe that we are now in Satan's little season and wickedness has increased, you think things are worse now more than ever? Really? Are there less than 8 saved people in the world right now? Is it even worse than in Noah's day? Or are you exaggerating just a bit here? You are denying obvious reality here which is that things changed dramatically in NT times compared to OT times as many scriptures indicate. You are ignoring all of those scriptures.

Do you believe that Jesus took the power of death away from Satan as Hebrews 2:14-15 says or not? I have to ask because you're already denying what Paul indicated in Ephesians 2:11-13. So, I wonder what other scripture you are denying.

Sure, BUT the Devil is still deceiving the unbelieving world. And those who are of the world are also still worshipping the Devil by serving sin. And the wage of sin is still Death. Only those who are born again have passed from “Death” to Life.

Are you even trying to see my point? Did OT saints have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them? Was it true in OT times that they could resist the devil and he had to flee from them (James 4:7)? No, I don't believe so. Why is it true now? Because we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. He must flee from the power and authority we have in NT times because of the presence of the Holy Spirit within us.

The Devil and Death will not be totally destroyed UNTIL they are cast into the lake of fire.

Who said otherwise? Talk about strawman arguments. You make a lot of them yourself.

No, because people are still living in sin and they are still dying. The last enemy to be destroyed is Death, that has not happened yet.

Who is saying that it has? No one. Talk to me instead of your strawman. But, do you agree with Paul that it will happen at the last trumpet?

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

There it is. The last enemy, death, will be destroyed and swallowed up in victory at the last trumpet which is when Christ will return. That is when the end will come (1 cor 15:22-28).

The last trumpet is the same as the seventh trumpet. Look what happens at the seventh trumpet:

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Among other things, the seventh trumpet signals "the time of the dead, that they should be judged".

When are the dead judged? After the thousand years and Satan's little season:

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So, scripture clearly teaches that the end comes when Christ returns and that His return will occur after the thousand years (and Satan's little season).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are totally avoiding his point!

Completely. He's not addressing any of my points. Imagine trying to say that Satan is deceiving the masses more than ever. More than when only 8 people in the world were saved as was the case in Noah's day? Really? He's not dealing with reality here. He'd rather cling to his premil doctrine than do that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The question that needs to be answered is when will Satan be judged and imprisoned in the Bottomless pit?

I would suggest to you that Isaiah 24:21-22 will not happen for another 20 years from now and that is when Satan will be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit.

That is a baseless conclusion. Scripture says that Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8) and that He took the power of death away from the devil, Satan (Hebrews 2:14-15). And that He came to bind the strong man and spoil his goods and his house (Matt 12:28-29). Do you think that Jesus failed to accomplish what He came to do?

At this present time Satan is still able to accuse believers before God in Heaven.

No, he absolutely is not. Do you not accept what Paul taught here:

Romans 8:31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Do you not even understand what Jesus Christ has accomplished? If God is for us, who can be against us? No one, including Satan. Who can bring any charge/accusation against God's chosen/elect? No one. How can Satan still accuse believers before God in heaven? What he can he accuse us of? Nothing! Our sins are forgiven! The blood of Christ has covered our sins! Do you not understand these basic things? You need to learn how to interpret scripture with scripture. You are interpreting one scripture in a way that contradicts other scripture. You can't do that.

The answer to your question is very dependent on when there is no longer any place in heaven for Satan to reside in.

There absolutely is not.

The Judgement of the Heavenly hosts and the Kings of the earth will not happen until the fourth age of the existence of Israel has been completed because of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers upon their children and the children's children.

Oh well, 20 years is not a long time to wait to see if Isaiah 24:21-22 will occur around 20 years from now.

Your understanding of scripture is very faulty. You're another one of those lone wolves who has a doctrine all to yourself. You're all wrong. God does not reveal truth to just one person.