When are God's Elect Justified?
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I think every scripture that teaches us about the Elect of God,and Jesus teaching that no one comes to him unless the Father calls them,and when we're told in our natural born condition we cannot understand those passages,the things of God,unless God sends his holy Spirit to change that so we can understand those things of God,because we are then chosen by him as his Elect because,as he tells us,hemput our name in his book of life before creating anything at all, is evidence you are mistaken.
You are nor making a distinction between holiness...going to be with God where He is in Zion (the kingdom walk) and a basic obedience to God's commandments. A common error.
Most Christians will never go to Him to walk as Jesus walked. Why? Because of an indoctrination that makes no difference between holiness and righteousness.
The elect of God are not the saved...but are those who are in the race for glorification. Again, the scale is not understood. Salvation is NOT based on predestination. Predestination is about being conformed into the likeness of Christ. Read the bible.
People are elected into service not salvation.
Does God see linear time and live in it I doubt it.The past present and future would all be there for him to see but it doesn't mean he interferes.He is letting it play out by freewill.It doesn't mean predestination just because he knows.You need to drop that idea of time ticking away in heaven its a timeless place a eternal place not like here.
I agree the father must prepare the heat of the new believer your body becomes a temple for the holy spirit your conduit to God.He opens your heat to Jesus you must come to the Father through Jesus.But the Father prepares your heart for Jesus when you come to believe.Lets admit it many will have to rely completely on Jesus grace alone or they will not make it.Those who battle sin and try and overcome the sin in their lives will not need as much grace.
Sin blocks the holy spirit from within you if you remove the sin by confessing and repenting you will become a better conduit for the Holy Spirit it is your sin that holds you back.
God wants you to choose him he does not want to make you or its not authentic and isn't that what its all about.Does he want a bunch of souls around him who did not choose to be there by their own free will.
Our own physics tells us the past present and future exist at the same time that time is a illusion that we are caught in.Its a consequence of the fallen world try to hang on to something and its fleeting and fading immediately.Humanity has been confine to the earth by time everything out there is unobtainable because of time all we can do is look.It is a curse on humanity we don't deserve whats out there.
I agree the father must prepare the heat of the new believer your body becomes a temple for the holy spirit your conduit to God.He opens your heat to Jesus you must come to the Father through Jesus.But the Father prepares your heart for Jesus when you come to believe.Lets admit it many will have to rely completely on Jesus grace alone or they will not make it.Those who battle sin and try and overcome the sin in their lives will not need as much grace.
Sin blocks the holy spirit from within you if you remove the sin by confessing and repenting you will become a better conduit for the Holy Spirit it is your sin that holds you back.
God wants you to choose him he does not want to make you or its not authentic and isn't that what its all about.Does he want a bunch of souls around him who did not choose to be there by their own free will.
Our own physics tells us the past present and future exist at the same time that time is a illusion that we are caught in.Its a consequence of the fallen world try to hang on to something and its fleeting and fading immediately.Humanity has been confine to the earth by time everything out there is unobtainable because of time all we can do is look.It is a curse on humanity we don't deserve whats out there.
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Point # 3
Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
The Elect were blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ before the foundation of the world, and therefore with Justification, for that is a spiritual blessing !
It was then they were taken into covenant relationship with and in Him, to be God's peculiar people, and were thereby eternally Justified in Him from all things. It was then that Christ their Chosen Head became their Surety, and covenanted to pay all their sin debts as Justice due, for the sin they shall commit in Adam along with all the sins they shall commit after their personal manifestation into the world !
This Grace by which they are Eternally Justified, was given to them In Christ [Their Surety Head and Mediator] before the world began,2 Tim 1:9, from Everlasting, because from everlasting God Loved them in Christ Jer 31:3 and made them accepted in Him Eph 1:6 !
Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
The Elect were blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ before the foundation of the world, and therefore with Justification, for that is a spiritual blessing !
It was then they were taken into covenant relationship with and in Him, to be God's peculiar people, and were thereby eternally Justified in Him from all things. It was then that Christ their Chosen Head became their Surety, and covenanted to pay all their sin debts as Justice due, for the sin they shall commit in Adam along with all the sins they shall commit after their personal manifestation into the world !
This Grace by which they are Eternally Justified, was given to them In Christ [Their Surety Head and Mediator] before the world began,2 Tim 1:9, from Everlasting, because from everlasting God Loved them in Christ Jer 31:3 and made them accepted in Him Eph 1:6 !
Point 4
When Christ, as a surety, engaged for the elect, they were Justified. "At the same time in which Christ became a surety for us, and our sins were imputed to him, we were absolved from guilt, and reputed just; that is, actively justified:" Which was from everlasting, or before the foundation of the world.
I believe God the Father constituted His Son a Surety in the Counsel of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Prov 8:22-23,31
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. 3
When Christ, as a surety, engaged for the elect, they were Justified. "At the same time in which Christ became a surety for us, and our sins were imputed to him, we were absolved from guilt, and reputed just; that is, actively justified:" Which was from everlasting, or before the foundation of the world.
I believe God the Father constituted His Son a Surety in the Counsel of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Prov 8:22-23,31
22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. 3
Point 5
God eternally decreed not to punish sin in his people, but in his Son. His decree to punish sin in his Son, includes his will to impute it to him; and his purpose not to punish it in his elect, takes in his will not to impute it to them, and must be their Justification from all sin in his sight.
I believe this is why Paul wrote 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
This has to do with God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
This Eternal Purpose in Christ is the same as the Everlasting Covenant with Christ, and God never purposed to impute sins to the Elect, but upon Christ, so this was their Justification ! 3
God eternally decreed not to punish sin in his people, but in his Son. His decree to punish sin in his Son, includes his will to impute it to him; and his purpose not to punish it in his elect, takes in his will not to impute it to them, and must be their Justification from all sin in his sight.
I believe this is why Paul wrote 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
This has to do with God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
This Eternal Purpose in Christ is the same as the Everlasting Covenant with Christ, and God never purposed to impute sins to the Elect, but upon Christ, so this was their Justification ! 3
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Everyone who Trusts in Christ, is now "in Christ" (Born again).... which is the definition of "the Elect", in the "Time of the Gentiles".. or "the Church Age".
So, who are those?
its everyone who has done this...
Jesus said... "All that believe in me.. i give unto you, Eternal life, and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)"".
Now, this is explaining, John 3:16.........."For God so loved us ALL, everyone, all humans, (The WORLD) that He Gave Jesus (for us ALL), that WHOSOEVER (everyone, anyone, all who will believe), should not PERISH (go to hell) but has Everlasting Life".
So, lying Calvinism, and lying Calvinists, deny this verse, and claim as their doctrine of Devils that God is not offering Christ to "whosoever will believe".. as Calvin has deceived them into believing that the "whosoever" and the "all who will" and the "everyone who will believer"..., is only the "pre-destined".
Calvin is a liar, a Cross denier, a Heretic, and Calvinism is a Satanic Theology.
Avoid it, and Avoid those who teach JOHN CALVIN's = "doctrine of Devils". Hebrews 13:9
So, who are those?
its everyone who has done this...
Jesus said... "All that believe in me.. i give unto you, Eternal life, and you shall never go to Hell (Perish)"".
Now, this is explaining, John 3:16.........."For God so loved us ALL, everyone, all humans, (The WORLD) that He Gave Jesus (for us ALL), that WHOSOEVER (everyone, anyone, all who will believe), should not PERISH (go to hell) but has Everlasting Life".
So, lying Calvinism, and lying Calvinists, deny this verse, and claim as their doctrine of Devils that God is not offering Christ to "whosoever will believe".. as Calvin has deceived them into believing that the "whosoever" and the "all who will" and the "everyone who will believer"..., is only the "pre-destined".
Calvin is a liar, a Cross denier, a Heretic, and Calvinism is a Satanic Theology.
Avoid it, and Avoid those who teach JOHN CALVIN's = "doctrine of Devils". Hebrews 13:9
6. "Christ's atonement and bearing sin was in the eye of God from eternity, as if already done: hence the patriarchs were actually and personally justified by it,"
as Dr. Isaac Chauncy well observes. Neonomianism Unmasked, London, 1692, Part 2, p. 53. Therefore why may it not be concluded that the elect were justified from everlasting, since God had the atonement of Christ then in His eye? I should be glad to see these arguments thoroughly examined, and solidly refuted, if they do not sufficiently prove what they are brought for.
We know this point to be True because of such scriptures as 1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 3
as Dr. Isaac Chauncy well observes. Neonomianism Unmasked, London, 1692, Part 2, p. 53. Therefore why may it not be concluded that the elect were justified from everlasting, since God had the atonement of Christ then in His eye? I should be glad to see these arguments thoroughly examined, and solidly refuted, if they do not sufficiently prove what they are brought for.
We know this point to be True because of such scriptures as 1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 3
Because of Suretyship !
Justification before the foundation for the Elect of God is True because of Christ's Suretyship in the Everlasting Covenant Heb 7:22
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
This is Pre Creation within the Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Also called the Everlasting Covenant, Christ the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8, He agreed and took upon Himself all the sins of the Elect to sponsor, hence it was God's Purpose not to charge them [sins and lawbreaking] against His Elect, but confirmed Christ's Suretyship, therefore He became the main debtor to God's Law and Justice for their sins, and they being made free from any and all accountability, for themselves to satisfy God's Law and Justice ! To deny this Justification is to deny a foundational blessing of Christ's Suretyship for His Sheep !
Justification before the foundation for the Elect of God is True because of Christ's Suretyship in the Everlasting Covenant Heb 7:22
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
This is Pre Creation within the Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Also called the Everlasting Covenant, Christ the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8, He agreed and took upon Himself all the sins of the Elect to sponsor, hence it was God's Purpose not to charge them [sins and lawbreaking] against His Elect, but confirmed Christ's Suretyship, therefore He became the main debtor to God's Law and Justice for their sins, and they being made free from any and all accountability, for themselves to satisfy God's Law and Justice ! To deny this Justification is to deny a foundational blessing of Christ's Suretyship for His Sheep !
The Fruit of Eternal Justification !
As the fruit of Eternal Justification, there will be subsequent declarations of Justification and or manifestations of Justification. For example, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, declares that the Sheep are Justified Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.
So The Resurrection declares Eternal Justification because the sins Christ died for, He was given Suretyship of them before the World began,
And Faith declares the sinner Justified as they receive experimental peace and joy and spiritual Knowledge of Justification by Faith Rom 5:1
But these are fruits of Eternal Justification !3
As the fruit of Eternal Justification, there will be subsequent declarations of Justification and or manifestations of Justification. For example, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, declares that the Sheep are Justified Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.
So The Resurrection declares Eternal Justification because the sins Christ died for, He was given Suretyship of them before the World began,
And Faith declares the sinner Justified as they receive experimental peace and joy and spiritual Knowledge of Justification by Faith Rom 5:1
But these are fruits of Eternal Justification !3
Justification from Eternity !
Where the man of sin ministers and followers greatly error, is they fail to understand the origin of ones Justification before God, in the Eternal Mind of God, for it is God that Justifieth Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
And as it is God's act, it is immutable from Everlasting, founded upon the Covenant Engagements of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, hence Justification from Eternity, because its origin is an act of God's Mind, which acts are Eternal and Immutable, not subject to change Mal 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
There is also a Justification at the Resurrection of Jesus Christ , the Covenant head raised from the dead Rom 4:25, and this being a more clearer revelation of the Immutability of His Eternal act of Justification, and then of course at the time of New birth, there is another revealing of God's Eternal act of Justification, in the conscience of the redeemed one, which this is Justification by Faith ! Rom 5:1; Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Where the man of sin ministers and followers greatly error, is they fail to understand the origin of ones Justification before God, in the Eternal Mind of God, for it is God that Justifieth Rom 8:33
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
And as it is God's act, it is immutable from Everlasting, founded upon the Covenant Engagements of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, hence Justification from Eternity, because its origin is an act of God's Mind, which acts are Eternal and Immutable, not subject to change Mal 3:6
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
There is also a Justification at the Resurrection of Jesus Christ , the Covenant head raised from the dead Rom 4:25, and this being a more clearer revelation of the Immutability of His Eternal act of Justification, and then of course at the time of New birth, there is another revealing of God's Eternal act of Justification, in the conscience of the redeemed one, which this is Justification by Faith ! Rom 5:1; Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Justification from Eternity !
God's Purpose and Will not to punish sin in the Elect is their Justification from all sin, for God's Purpose not to punish sin in His Elect is Revealed in His Purpose of Christ's Death before the World began, Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[For the sins of the Elect] from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained[To Be slain for sin] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
These scriptures reveal a valuable FACT that God not never at one Time before the foundation of the World purposed to punish the sins of the Elect in them, hence He never imputed them [their sins] to their charge, this non imputation of their sins from before the foundation of the world, was their acquittal and Justification from all sin from the foundation of the World, for we read of the blessedness of non imputation here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
God's Purpose and Will not to punish sin in the Elect is their Justification from all sin, for God's Purpose not to punish sin in His Elect is Revealed in His Purpose of Christ's Death before the World began, Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[For the sins of the Elect] from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained[To Be slain for sin] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
These scriptures reveal a valuable FACT that God not never at one Time before the foundation of the World purposed to punish the sins of the Elect in them, hence He never imputed them [their sins] to their charge, this non imputation of their sins from before the foundation of the world, was their acquittal and Justification from all sin from the foundation of the World, for we read of the blessedness of non imputation here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Justification in Rom 8:29-30
What about Justified in Rom 8:29-30 ?
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
In this sequence given by inspiration, of the Eternal Purpose of God in Election to Glorification coming to fruition, Paul places call [in time] before Justification, which means as God's Eternal Purpose unfolds in time to each vessel of mercy or the [them], we see not why to confess that in a point of time, the elect individual called by the Gospel is Justified by Faith given to them in the New Birth, for this fulfills the Gospel promise to Abraham that God made here Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
This is part of the Eternal Decree, that God purposed. That God would Justify the heathen through Faith is something God decreed to do, and also these would be Abraham's Seed !
So God had decreed to give the Elect evidence [Faith] of their Eternal Justification to their own consciousness in time, by sending the Holy Spirit to set them apart to Faith or the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13, in this, Christ is revealed to them and they are given a Knowledge [spiritual] of Salvation or Justification by the remission of their sins Lk 1:77 which took place before the world began by non imputation, because they [their sins] were imputed to their Covenant Head and Surety before the World Began ! But yes, there is in time, when the Elect are Called, then Justified by Faith in their consciousness as God Promised to do here Gal 3:8 !
What about Justified in Rom 8:29-30 ?
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
In this sequence given by inspiration, of the Eternal Purpose of God in Election to Glorification coming to fruition, Paul places call [in time] before Justification, which means as God's Eternal Purpose unfolds in time to each vessel of mercy or the [them], we see not why to confess that in a point of time, the elect individual called by the Gospel is Justified by Faith given to them in the New Birth, for this fulfills the Gospel promise to Abraham that God made here Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
This is part of the Eternal Decree, that God purposed. That God would Justify the heathen through Faith is something God decreed to do, and also these would be Abraham's Seed !
So God had decreed to give the Elect evidence [Faith] of their Eternal Justification to their own consciousness in time, by sending the Holy Spirit to set them apart to Faith or the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13, in this, Christ is revealed to them and they are given a Knowledge [spiritual] of Salvation or Justification by the remission of their sins Lk 1:77 which took place before the world began by non imputation, because they [their sins] were imputed to their Covenant Head and Surety before the World Began ! But yes, there is in time, when the Elect are Called, then Justified by Faith in their consciousness as God Promised to do here Gal 3:8 !
Eternal Justification !
The Justification of the Elect, an immanent act of God, was always abiding in Him by Covenant Engagement, as something hid in Himself or hid in God Eph 3:9
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Col 3:3
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
The Eternal Justification of all of God's Elect has always been a hidden Truth, hidden with Christ in God. Its that Justification of life Paul speaks of in Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
There comes a time when these hidden Mysteries in God, that are for us, that the Spirit of God makes them known, that we may know experientially those things Freely given us of God as stated 1 Cor 2:12
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Thats important because one of the things we have freely of God, is Justification in Christ by His Grace and Redemptive Work Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Which Work originated in the Eternal Engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, when Christ became the Surety by the imputation of our sins unto His Suretyship, so that in a time appointed by God, He would be made of a woman, made under the Law, and be sacrificed for those sins already imputed !
The Justification of the Elect, an immanent act of God, was always abiding in Him by Covenant Engagement, as something hid in Himself or hid in God Eph 3:9
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Col 3:3
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
The Eternal Justification of all of God's Elect has always been a hidden Truth, hidden with Christ in God. Its that Justification of life Paul speaks of in Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
There comes a time when these hidden Mysteries in God, that are for us, that the Spirit of God makes them known, that we may know experientially those things Freely given us of God as stated 1 Cor 2:12
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Thats important because one of the things we have freely of God, is Justification in Christ by His Grace and Redemptive Work Rom 3:24
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Which Work originated in the Eternal Engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, when Christ became the Surety by the imputation of our sins unto His Suretyship, so that in a time appointed by God, He would be made of a woman, made under the Law, and be sacrificed for those sins already imputed !
More on Justification from Eternity !
There is a Justification in the mind of the believer which doth occur in time, and is what the scripture calls Justified by Faith Rom 5:1 , but there is another Justification which is before time and even from eternity Ps 103:17, and that is the Elects Justification in the Mind of God ! Eternal Justification rests upon what is an Eternal Act in God's Mind and not what is a revealed fact of the Mind of God in the mind of the Justified ones ! The Elect are Justified by God from Eternity by the Eternal act of the Decree of God, and by the Eternal Arrangement of the Everlasting Covenant between the Father and the Son and The Spirit Witnessed, these are God's Acts; That is His Decree's are His Acts of Old Ps 93:2
Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.
His entering Covenant with His Son is His acts; and all acts of His are foundational in His Being as the Eternal God, where time as we know it,past , present and future, are all One in His Mind ! 3
There is a Justification in the mind of the believer which doth occur in time, and is what the scripture calls Justified by Faith Rom 5:1 , but there is another Justification which is before time and even from eternity Ps 103:17, and that is the Elects Justification in the Mind of God ! Eternal Justification rests upon what is an Eternal Act in God's Mind and not what is a revealed fact of the Mind of God in the mind of the Justified ones ! The Elect are Justified by God from Eternity by the Eternal act of the Decree of God, and by the Eternal Arrangement of the Everlasting Covenant between the Father and the Son and The Spirit Witnessed, these are God's Acts; That is His Decree's are His Acts of Old Ps 93:2
Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.
His entering Covenant with His Son is His acts; and all acts of His are foundational in His Being as the Eternal God, where time as we know it,past , present and future, are all One in His Mind ! 3
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● Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to
life for our justification.
The Greek word translated "justification" basically means acquittal; defined
by Webster's as an adjudication of innocence due to a lack of sufficient
evidence to convict.
In a nutshell; Jesus went to the cross bearing the world's guilt. But when he
came back from the dead, he was 100% innocent.
Folks unified with Christ are reckoned joint principals with him in both his
crucifixion and his resurrection. So then, it is required of them to reckon
themselves back from the dead 100% innocent of all charges against them
because those charges are no longer on the books to be opened at the great
white throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15.
FAQ: Okay so you were cleared of all guilt when you came to faith in Christ.
What about the guilt you've accumulated since then?
REPLY: God no longer keeps track.
● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not
counting their trespasses against them.
FAQ: How is it possible for God to stop keeping track? Are you saying He
now condones your conduct whereas He used to condemned it?
REPLY: My normal life went to the cross with Christ but technically it didn't
come back with him when he came back.
● Col 3:3 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
I don't really understand how this works: but God now sees me resurrected
with His son's life rather than with my normal life.
● Col 3:4 . .When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear
with him in glory.
Christianity is a lethal religion. I don't know how it is that God was able to
put my normal life to death on the cross so I could have His son's innocence,
but I sure am grateful He did.
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● Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to
life for our justification.
The Greek word translated "justification" basically means acquittal; defined
by Webster's as an adjudication of innocence due to a lack of sufficient
evidence to convict.
In a nutshell; Jesus went to the cross bearing the world's guilt. But when he
came back from the dead, he was 100% innocent.
Folks unified with Christ are reckoned joint principals with him in both his
crucifixion and his resurrection. So then, it is required of them to reckon
themselves back from the dead 100% innocent of all charges against them
because those charges are no longer on the books to be opened at the great
white throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15.
FAQ: Okay so you were cleared of all guilt when you came to faith in Christ.
What about the guilt you've accumulated since then?
REPLY: God no longer keeps track.
● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not
counting their trespasses against them.
FAQ: How is it possible for God to stop keeping track? Are you saying He
now condones your conduct whereas He used to condemned it?
REPLY: My normal life went to the cross with Christ but technically it didn't
come back with him when he came back.
● Col 3:3 . . For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
I don't really understand how this works: but God now sees me resurrected
with His son's life rather than with my normal life.
● Col 3:4 . .When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear
with him in glory.
Christianity is a lethal religion. I don't know how it is that God was able to
put my normal life to death on the cross so I could have His son's innocence,
but I sure am grateful He did.
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Slain from the foundation of the World !
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Many false teachers try their best to destroy the Truth of this verse that John was inspired to write, and that is that Christ the Lamb was actually slain from the foundation of the World !
Yes, I said actually which means actual or existing fact !
He was actually slain from the foundation of the World by God's Decree and Purpose, which makes it an Actual Existing Fact in the Mind of God. John here is revealing to us the Mind of God on this matter !
And with that, this verse speaks to the Truthfulness of the Eternal Justification of all God's Elect in His Mind, Purpose and Decree from the foundation of the World, Yes for all them that Christ did come and die for in time, they were already Justified by the Purpose of God before Time Began. This is so much so, that in the Purpose, Decree, and Mind of God they were already Saved 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Or it can read "Who hath saved or Justified us according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"
Paul states the same here Titus 3:7
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
That is, Freely Justified by that Grace which was Given Us in Christ Jesus before the World Began !
This is a Gospel Truth, for Paul Just stated in Vs 8 2 Tim 1:8-10
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
Which Gospel Truth He Proclaims in Vs 9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
The Gospel is that Testimony of that Eternal Grace Given in Christ, which we are Justified by, before the World began.
Paul said the same also here Acts 20:24
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
This Testimony of the Gospel of the Grace of God refers to 2 Tim 1:8-9 which enlightens of the Church's Eternal Justification by the Grace of God , premised on the Covenant Engagement of Christ being Slain for their Sins !
And to omit this Truth of the Gospel of the Grace of God is to consequently Preach No Gospel. Yes, Eternal Justification of the Church is a GOSPEL TRUTH, and I just proved it with scripture !
Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Many false teachers try their best to destroy the Truth of this verse that John was inspired to write, and that is that Christ the Lamb was actually slain from the foundation of the World !
Yes, I said actually which means actual or existing fact !
He was actually slain from the foundation of the World by God's Decree and Purpose, which makes it an Actual Existing Fact in the Mind of God. John here is revealing to us the Mind of God on this matter !
And with that, this verse speaks to the Truthfulness of the Eternal Justification of all God's Elect in His Mind, Purpose and Decree from the foundation of the World, Yes for all them that Christ did come and die for in time, they were already Justified by the Purpose of God before Time Began. This is so much so, that in the Purpose, Decree, and Mind of God they were already Saved 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Or it can read "Who hath saved or Justified us according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"
Paul states the same here Titus 3:7
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
That is, Freely Justified by that Grace which was Given Us in Christ Jesus before the World Began !
This is a Gospel Truth, for Paul Just stated in Vs 8 2 Tim 1:8-10
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
Which Gospel Truth He Proclaims in Vs 9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
The Gospel is that Testimony of that Eternal Grace Given in Christ, which we are Justified by, before the World began.
Paul said the same also here Acts 20:24
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
This Testimony of the Gospel of the Grace of God refers to 2 Tim 1:8-9 which enlightens of the Church's Eternal Justification by the Grace of God , premised on the Covenant Engagement of Christ being Slain for their Sins !
And to omit this Truth of the Gospel of the Grace of God is to consequently Preach No Gospel. Yes, Eternal Justification of the Church is a GOSPEL TRUTH, and I just proved it with scripture !
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