When are God's Elect Justified?

[brightfame52]

Another reason for eternal justification of Gods elect is because: Justification apart from faith
Justification before God does not depend on the apparatus of faith: For instance the elect who die in infancy have not exercised faith or fulfilled the act of believing, yet they are justified Rom 8:33. Gods sovereign grace is the decisive cause of justification, not the faith of those justified. This grace was given Gods elect in Christ their mediator/surety before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And the elect are Justified by that grace Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 2

 

[Scott Downey]

John 5

20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.

21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.

22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,

Both Father and Son together give life to whom they will.

God has already said,
Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

Perfect agreement with Ephesians 2, all is in harmony.
God makes you alive from the dead,
And God grants you to come to Christ. He saves you in Christ for the sake of Christ, God makes you alive and grants you your belief.

Ephesians 2

2 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the [a]course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[Behold]

For instance the elect who die in infancy

You are Teaching that God "Pre-chose" infants to burn in the Lake of Fire, because they were not of the "elect",.. and that is quite a demonic theology, and certainly an incredible insult upon God, Himself.

Teaching that God sends infants, to Hell, because they are not of the "elect'.......................


Calvinists just can't understand the depth of Calvin's God Hating and Cross Denying, = Depravity.

 

[Scott Downey]

You are Teaching that God "Pre-chose" infants to burn in the Lake of Fire, because they were not of the "elect",.. and that is quite a demonic theology, and certainly an incredible insult upon God, Himself.

Teaching that God sends infants, to Hell, because they are not of the "elect'.......................


Calvinists just can't understand the depth of Calvin's God Hating and Cross Denying, = Depravity.

I don't see it the way you describe.
It can easily be that all infants and young children are elected.
God gives life to whom He will, as does Christ.
God has compassion on whom He will, as in God loves whom He will love, God is merciful to whom he will be merciful.
None of that is our decision, it is of God alone.

Scripture very specifically mentions HIS GREAT LOVE is why you He made to LIVE

Not all have that GREAT LOVE towards them as not all live.

Directly connect this GREAT LOVE with being made alive.

 

[Behold]

It can easily be that all infants and young children are elected.

The Hyper-Calvinist Member who posted that there are "elect" infants, is clearly teaching that some Infants are not the "elect".
So, as Lying Calvinism - Tulip - Hyper Calvinism only teaches that the "elect" are going to Heaven, then that means the "non elect" babies are going to Hell.

Obviously, this is one more giant Flaw and glaring deception... regarding the "pre-destined" doctrine of devil's theology, as how could a baby, already be "totally depraved", when a baby, can't even THINK Yet, in a coherent manner?

Other then Islam, and Catholicism, .. Calvinism, is one of the Devil's Theological Trophies., and it could be that Calvinism - Tulip - Hypercalvinism, is the Devil's finest work., (Theologically Speaking).

 

[brightfame52]

You are Teaching that God "Pre-chose" infants to burn in the Lake of Fire, because they were not of the "elect",.. and that is quite a demonic theology, and certainly an incredible insult upon God, Himself.

Teaching that God sends infants, to Hell, because they are not of the "elect'.......................


Calvinists just can't understand the depth of Calvin's God Hating and Cross Denying, = Depravity.

Rabbit trail

 

[Behold]

Rabbit trail

Go ahead and dodge that you are teaching that "none-elect infants" are going to burn in the Lake of Fire., as ive already subsequently posted about it... if that is what you need to do..

Or..

Try to explain how a "infant" with an infants brain function.. is already "totally depraved" "including the will". so that Calvin-Tulip-Hypercalvinists, can cast that "non-elected infant" into Hell and then into the Lake of Fire.

-see you there.

 

[brightfame52]

Go ahead and dodge that you are teaching that "none-elect infants" are going to burn in the Lake of Fire., as ive already subsequently posted about it... if that is what you need to do..

Or..

Try to explain how a "infant" with an infants brain function.. is already "totally depraved" "including the will". so that Calvin-Tulip-Hypercalvinists, can cast that "non-elected infant" into Hell and then into the Lake of Fire.

-see you there.

More rabbit trail

 

[Scott Downey]

The Hyper-Calvinist Member who posted that there are "elect" infants, is clearly teaching that some Infants are not the "elect".
So, as Lying Calvinism - Tulip - Hyper Calvinism only teaches that the "elect" are going to Heaven, then that means the "non elect" babies are going to Hell.

Obviously, this is one more giant Flaw and glaring deception... regarding the "pre-destined" doctrine of devil's theology, as how could a baby, already be "totally depraved", when a baby, can't even THINK Yet, in a coherent manner?

Other then Islam, and Catholicism, .. Calvinism, is one of the Devil's Theological Trophies., and it could be that Calvinism - Tulip - Hypercalvinism, is the Devil's finest work., (Theologically Speaking).

You do realize that Calvinism does not say this regarding infants.

"Infant Salvation" by Loraine Boettner - Founders Ministries

There has been a good deal of discussion lately among Southern Baptists about the future of infants when they die. Some say that Calvinism implies infants will not be saved in death. But Loraine Boettner shows that infant salvation only finds a logical place within Calvinism, while...

founders.org

While the other side is this way, in fact, more of what you saying applies to the non calvinist view.
Honestly read it yourself. Everyone should.

The doctrine of infant salvation finds a logical place in the Calvinistic system; for the redemption of the soul is thus infallibly determined irrespective of any faith, repentance or good works, whether actual or foreseen. It does not, however, find a logical place in Arminianism or any other system.

Furthermore, it would seem that a system such as Arminianism, which suspends salvation on a personal act of rational choice, would logically demand that those dying in infancy must either be given another period of probation after death, in order that their destiny may be fixed or that they must be annihilated.

There has been a good deal of discussion lately among Southern Baptists about the future of infants when they die. Some say that Calvinism implies infants will not be saved in death. But Loraine Boettner shows that infant salvation only finds a logical place within Calvinism, while non-Calvinistic systems are inconsistent to affirm it Boettner writes:

Most Calvinistic theologians have held that those who die in infancy are saved. . . . Such for instance, was the position held by Charles Hodge, W.G.T. Shedd, and B.B. Warfield. Concerning those who die in infancy, Dr. Warfield says:

“Their destiny is determined irrespective of their choice, by an unconditional decree of God, suspended for its execution on no act of their own; and their salvation is wrought by an unconditional application of the grace of Christ to their souls, through the immediate and irresistible operation of the Holy Spirit prior to and apart from any action of their own proper wills . . . And if death in infancy does depend on God’s providence, it is assuredly God in His providence who selects this vast multitude to be made participants of His unconditional salvation . . . This is but to say that they are unconditionally predestinated to salvation from the foundation of the world. If only a single infant dying in irresponsible infancy be saved, the whole Arminian principle is traversed. If all infants dying such are saved, not only the majority of the saved, but doubtless the majority of the human race hitherto, have entered into life by a non-Arminian pathway.”

Certainly there is nothing in the Calvinistic system which would prevent us from believing this; and until it is proven that God could not predestinate to eternal life all those whom He is pleased to call in infancy we may be permitted to hold this view.

Calvinists, of course, hold that the doctrine of original sin applies to infants as well as to adults. Like all other sons of Adam, infants are truly culpable because of race sin and might justly be punished for it. Their ‘salvation’ is real. It is possible only through the grace of Christ and is as truly unmerited as is that of adults. Instead of minimizing the demerit and punishment due to them for original sin, Calvinism magnifies the mercy of God in their salvation. Their salvation means something, for it is the deliverance of guilty souls from eternal woe. And it is costly, for it was paid for by the suffering of Christ on the cross.

Those who take the other view of original sin, namely, that it is not properly sin and does not deserve eternal punishment, make the evil from which infants are ‘saved’ to be very small, and consequently the love and gratitude which they owe to God to be small also.

The doctrine of infant salvation finds a logical place in the Calvinistic system; for the redemption of the soul is thus infallibly determined irrespective of any faith, repentance or good works, whether actual or foreseen. It does not, however, find a logical place in Arminianism or any other system.

Furthermore, it would seem that a system such as Arminianism, which suspends salvation on a personal act of rational choice, would logically demand that those dying in infancy must either be given another period of probation after death, in order that their destiny may be fixed or that they must be annihilated.

 

[Behold]

You do realize that Calvinism does not say this regarding infants.

Read more carefully.
I stated that BRIGHTFRAME... stated that some infants are the "elect"... so, that precludes the non-elect BABIES from going to Heaven.

Therefore, direct your explanation to that Hyper Calvinist.

I teach that all babies go to heaven, even aborted.

 

[brightfame52]

Another reason for eternal justification of Gods elect is because :

Faith emanates from justification. God gives Faith to a person because they have been made/declared righteous, so we have the Divine Promise that the Just or Justified shall live by Faith Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The just are made so by the obedience of Christ Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[brightfame52]

Another reason for eternal justification is because we where accepted in the Beloved, we are Justified, and the elect were accepted in Christ the beloved, according to having been chosen in Him before the foundation of the world Eph 1:3-6

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Notice this being accepted in the beloved is to the praise of the Glory of His Grace ! Which Grace was given to the Elect in Christ before the foundation of the world 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 3

 

[JBO]

Another reason for eternal justification of Gods elect is because :

Faith emanates from justification. God gives Faith to a person because they have been made/declared righteous, so we have the Divine Promise that the Just or Justified shall live by Faith Rom 1:17

Quite the opposite. Justification emanates from faith.

Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom_5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[brightfame52]

Quite the opposite. Justification emanates from faith.

Rom_3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom_5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

A person is given faith because they have already been Justified. Justified by Faith in those verses is Justified by Christ, faith represents Christ in those verses.

 

[Scott Downey]

Another reason for eternal justification is because we where accepted in the Beloved, we are Justified, and the elect were accepted in Christ the beloved, according to having been chosen in Him before the foundation of the world Eph 1:3-6

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Notice this being accepted in the beloved is to the praise of the Glory of His Grace ! Which Grace was given to the Elect in Christ before the foundation of the world 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 3

God can not lie. His words are true. We still walk out his will for us in our own time.

 

[brightfame52]

God can not lie. His words are true. We still walk out his will for us in our own time.

None of this is about what men do.

 

[Scott Downey]

None of this is about what men do.

Something your missing
God ordains that we bear good fruit.

 

[brightfame52]

Something your missing
God ordains that we bear good fruit.

This is not about what God ordained men to do. Its about when the elect are Justified before God. Men had no doings in that.

 

[Scott Downey]

None of this is about what men do.

Something your missing
God ordained that we bear good fruit.

 

[Scott Downey]

Matthew 3
9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [a]and fire.