What is the third woe?

[David H.]

One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. Revelation 9:12
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. Revelation 11:14

There is never a third verse saying the third woe is complete in revelation. So what is the third woe? The only time the word "woe" is used after Revelation 11:14 is in Revelation 12:12. Is this the third woe? Is the seventh trumpet the third woe?

 

[ewq1938]

One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. Revelation 9:12
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. Revelation 11:14

There is never a third verse saying the third woe is complete in revelation. So what is the third woe? The only time the word "woe" is used after Revelation 11:14 is in Revelation 12:12. Is this the third woe? Is the seventh trumpet the third woe?

Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!


The three woes are the last three trumpets, 5 6 and 7. The 3rd woe is the 7th trumpet.

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[David H.]

Rev 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!


The three woes are the last three trumpets, 5 6 and 7. The 3rd woe is the 7th trumpet.

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

What part of the seventh trumpet is a woe on all the inhabitants of the earth? I Will answer, it is the wrath of God (Revelation 11:18) So the question becomes when does the wrath of God end in Revelation, like the other two woes were announced to have ended, and hence the end of the seventh trumpet? For example, the sixth trumpet begins in Revelation 9, and ends in Revelation 11 with the resurrection of the two witnesses.

 

[ScottA]

The third woe is that of the nations, the gentiles, and of the Spirit which they did not receive.

 

[Truth7t7]

What part of the seventh trumpet is a woe on all the inhabitants of the earth? I Will answer, it is the wrath of God (Revelation 11:18) So the question becomes when does the wrath of God end in Revelation, like the other two woes were announced to have ended, and hence the end of the seventh trumpet? For example, the sixth trumpet begins in Revelation 9, and ends in Revelation 11 with the resurrection of the two witnesses.

Yes the 7th Trump will usher in the second coming and wrath of God, and yes it's the 3rd woe

You must understand, the entire event of the 7th Trump is in the "Twinkling Of And Eye"

Resurrection to immortality, final judgment, new heaven and earth revealed, "It Is Done"!

"All In The Blink Of An Eye"

Jesus Is The Lord!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What part of the seventh trumpet is a woe on all the inhabitants of the earth? I Will answer, it is the wrath of God (Revelation 11:18) So the question becomes when does the wrath of God end in Revelation, like the other two woes were announced to have ended, and hence the end of the seventh trumpet? For example, the sixth trumpet begins in Revelation 9, and ends in Revelation 11 with the resurrection of the two witnesses.

No, the sixth trumpet ends at the end of Revelation 9. Revelation 10 is then a parenthetical passage, as is Revelation 11:1-13. The seventh trumpet ends at the end of Revelation 11. I believe it is parallel with the seventh vial and with the description of the second coming of Christ in Revelation 19. And I believe it is parallel with Revelation 20:9-15 as well. Notice that it says the seventh trumpet signals "the time of the dead that they should be judged". When does that happen? See Revelation 20:11-15.

 

[Timtofly]

There is never a third verse saying the third woe is complete in revelation. So what is the third woe? The only time the word "woe" is used after Revelation 11:14 is in Revelation 12:12. Is this the third woe? Is the seventh trumpet the third woe?

The third woe is if Satan is allowed 42 months during the week of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Daniel 9:27.

 

[ScottA]

No, the sixth trumpet ends at the end of Revelation 9. Revelation 10 is then a parenthetical passage, as is Revelation 11:1-13. The seventh trumpet ends at the end of Revelation 11. I believe it is parallel with the seventh vial and with the description of the second coming of Christ in Revelation 19. And I believe it is parallel with Revelation 20:9-15 as well. Notice that it says the seventh trumpet signals "the time of the dead that they should be judged". When does that happen? See Revelation 20:11-15.

Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
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The timing of the Book of Life being opened began with Christ the firstfruits...and the dead began to rise.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 20:11-15
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
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The timing of the Book of Life being opened began with Christ the firstfruits...and the dead began to rise.

I'm not sure what point you were intending to make here. It seems like you're saying that you believe Revelation 20:11-15 has already started being fulfilled, which would mean you don't see it as portraying a future judgment day?

 

[ScottA]

I'm not sure what point you were intending to make here. It seems like you're saying that you believe Revelation 20:11-15 has already started being fulfilled, which would mean you don't see it as portraying a future judgment day?

Time gets in the way of understanding the things of God who is timeless and just is. We learn of events in written form or as it is revealed to us by God day by day, and therefore we see everything in the form of chronology...which is not an accurate perspective of the timeless kingdom where truth originates.

Granted, this is a hard thing to grasp--but it is the very nature of God and Truth.

God breaking everything down for us into baby steps, does not mean there are clocks and calendars in the kingdom of "I am." If we can wrap our minds around it (the renewing of our minds), the best that can and has been said of the timing of events, is that it all occurs "in the twinkling of an eye"...or in no time at all. So, we can speak of these things and debate them according to our times of baby step learning and revelation, or according to the actual terms of God. What I was saying is a bit of both--that yes, Judgement began back in that chapter of Christ--but then again, everything is in Christ...in the twinkling of an eye...and it is just we who get up to speed with it only when we come to possess the knowledge of it as it actually is.

Such is Time. Such is revelation.

 

[Davy]

One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. Revelation 9:12
The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. Revelation 11:14

There is never a third verse saying the third woe is complete in revelation. So what is the third woe? The only time the word "woe" is used after Revelation 11:14 is in Revelation 12:12. Is this the third woe? Is the seventh trumpet the third woe?

The final 3rd Woe is tied to the last trumpet, the 7th trumpet. It is the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15 per Apostle Paul.

At that 7th trumpet as written, all the kingdoms of this world become those of The Father and of His Christ. That is thus pointing directly to the time of Christ's future reign over the nations. And that's why the events that follow that 7th trumpet verse are about the time after Christ's future return.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Time gets in the way of understanding the things of God who is timeless and just is. We learn of events in written form or as it is revealed to us by God day by day, and therefore we see everything in the form of chronology...which is not an accurate perspective of the timeless kingdom where truth originates.

Granted, this is a hard thing to grasp--but it is the very nature of God and Truth.

God breaking everything down for us into baby steps, does not mean there are clocks and calendars in the kingdom of "I am." If we can wrap our minds around it (the renewing of our minds), the best that can and has been said of the timing of events, is that it all occurs "in the twinkling of an eye"...or in no time at all. So, we can speak of these things and debate them according to our times of baby step learning and revelation, or according to the actual terms of God. What I was saying is a bit of both--that yes, Judgement began back in that chapter of Christ--but then again, everything is in Christ...in the twinkling of an eye...and it is just we who get up to speed with it only when we come to possess the knowledge of it as it actually is.

Such is Time. Such is revelation.

If you are not able to explain your view in a way that others can understand, then why should anyone listen to you? I can't understand a word of what you said here. Is scripture really supposed to be so convoluted that only you can understand it while being unable to clearly explain it to anyone else?

 

[David H.]

If you are not able to explain your view in a way that others can understand, then why should anyone listen to you? I can't understand a word of what you said here. Is scripture really supposed to be so convoluted that only you can understand it while being unable to clearly explain it to anyone else?

I Understand his post perfectly, what he is saying is that we are temporal beings, therefore constrained by time, God is beyond time and not constrained by it. What it means is that prophecy in scripture which is from God does not always follow our linear and time constrained way of thinking. It takes a humble mind to understand this. Which is why I liked @ScottA 's post.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (1 Corinthians 13:9-12)

 

[ScottA]

If you are not able to explain your view in a way that others can understand, then why should anyone listen to you? I can't understand a word of what you said here. Is scripture really supposed to be so convoluted that only you can understand it while being unable to clearly explain it to anyone else?

I could likewise say, If you are not willing to renew your mind, why listen indeed? But these are the times foretold of being lead into all truth by the Spirit who is the purveyor of divers gifts individually for the benefit of all, just as it was arranged by Jesus. Which Jesus as much as said were "hard sayings" and that He wanted to tell more, but even the apostles could not yet bear it. Have I told you that you need to eat my flesh and drink my blood? The point is, there was more. Do you really want none of it?

 

[Davy]

I Understand his post perfectly, what he is saying is that we are temporal beings, therefore constrained by time, God is beyond time and not constrained by it. What it means is that prophecy in scripture which is from God does not always follow our linear and time constrained way of thinking. It takes a humble mind to understand this. Which is why I liked @ScottA 's post.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (1 Corinthians 13:9-12)

I agree with Spiritual Israelite, what Scott said is basically mumbo-jumbo, as if he could know the mind of God.

What we can... know about God and time though, per His Word, is that He and His Son is Eternal, outside of time. So no sense in trying to use time analogies of this present world in attempt to explain His being.

And we also can know that His Heaven where He dwells is in a different dimension of existence than this earthly dimension we live in, and that His Heaven existed before He created this earthly dimension through His Son. We learn that in the Book of Hebrews.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I Understand his post perfectly, what he is saying is that we are temporal beings, therefore constrained by time, God is beyond time and not constrained by it. What it means is that prophecy in scripture which is from God does not always follow our linear and time constrained way of thinking. It takes a humble mind to understand this. Which is why I liked @ScottA 's post.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. (1 Corinthians 13:9-12)

We can make scripture say anything we want with this type of approach. But, the reality is that prophecies are about things that happen in real time for us. To just explain away prophecies as not being related specifically to our time makes the prophecies impossible to understand. So, I don't buy this line of reasoning at all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree with Spiritual Israelite,

Wait, what did you say? I need to take a picture of this and frame it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I could likewise say, If you are not willing to renew your mind, why listen indeed?

My mind has been renewed. Why are you acting as if you know me? You don't.

But these are the times foretold of being lead into all truth by the Spirit who is the purveyor of divers gifts individually for the benefit of all, just as it was arranged by Jesus. Which Jesus as much as said were "hard sayings" and that He wanted to tell more, but even the apostles could not yet bear it. Have I told you that you need to eat my flesh and drink my blood? The point is, there was more. Do you really want none of it?

Who told you that I "want none of it"? Your judgmental attitude does nothing to support your case. If you are not able to even explain your view in a way that anyone else (except maybe one person) can understand then that shows you're not cut out to teach others what scripture means.

 

[ScottA]

My mind has been renewed. Why are you acting as if you know me? You don't.

Who told you that I "want none of it"? Your judgmental attitude does nothing to support your case. If you are not able to even explain your view in a way that anyone else (except maybe one person) can understand then that shows you're not cut out to teach others what scripture means.

Tell that to the prophets of old who were rejected and killed for telling the truth from God. There was no majority understanding like you now suggest--just the opposite, and you repeat it. Nothing new under the sun.

 

[David H.]

We can make scripture say anything we want with this type of approach. But, the reality is that prophecies are about things that happen in real time for us. To just explain away prophecies as not being related specifically to our time makes the prophecies impossible to understand. So, I don't buy this line of reasoning at all.

My Point is that if you read OT prophecies, time was immaterial in them in the sense that one paragraph can speak of three different time frames from the first advent to the second advent, to a near fulfillment for Israel. this is why the Pharisees could not figure out that Jesus had to come first as a suffering servant in the first century but instead were looking for a king to free them from the oppression of the romans. As an example of this, read Micah 5