Revelation 9:1 - 11 Who are these locusts representing?

[Verily]

Whatever. War, sorcery and medical "witchcraft" is what this world is all about, through "the prince of this world".

Pfizer and Moderna, with all of their pharmaceuticals, should take a trip to Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon and Syria. But then again, that would be to no avail, because Rev. 9:13-21 is at the door.
With 22 dams on the Euphrates River, it will be dried up by or before 2040.

Earburner I understand who the prince of this world is and that Pharmekia is sorceries

I try to stay away from them.

 

[Verily]

You are a literalist. Walmart would be a good choice.

No I am not its called poking fun at the locust jabs, I am not the one saying the 5 months of torment having anything to do with what I am poking fun at.

 

[ewq1938]

Whatever. War, sorcery and medical "witchcraft" is what this world is all about, through "the prince of this world".

Pfizer and Moderna, with all of their pharmaceuticals

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


sorcerers

This word is speaking of drugs, and those who use them...perhaps those who sell them to others as well!


5332

5332 pharmakeus {far-mak-yoos'}

from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion);; n m

AV - sorcerer 1; 1

1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies
2) sorcerer


A "sorcerer" nowadays means a "magical wizard" or something, but in the past it was a term for drug makers and users without regard to male or female.


Thayer's

5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}

from 5332;; n f

AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3

1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry


Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Act 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
Act 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.


Drugs were the way this man was able to "bewitch" so many people into thinking he had magical powers to create these "magical" things.


Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


"witchcraft"


Strong's
G5331
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.


Medication! Not good medication but they sure enjoyed it and those they got it from!



Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

This should really read this way:


Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, **DRUG ABUSE**, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Note that these are "works of the flesh" meaning your body and don't drugs affect one's body (including the mind) in very strong ways?




witches were known in the past for making "brews" and "potions" in their caldrons, another way to "cook" drugs and make up "medicines" otherwise known as drugs. Even in the late 19th century cocaine and forms of it were commonly used as "medicines" even though they didn't actually heal you.


3784

03784 kashaph {kaw-shaf'}

a primitive root; TWOT - 1051; v

AV - sorcerers 3, witch 2, witchcraft 1; 6

1) (Piel) to practice [font color=red]witchcraft or sorcery[/font], use witchcraft
1a) sorcerer, sorceress (participle)





5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}

from 5332;; n f

AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3

1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry


from this word do we have "pharmacy" a place for drugs, and a pharmacy has long been a term for someone making or using any drug, even the bad addictive kinds like cocaine, vaccines and etc.

witches and sorcerers and those types were the first drug pushers and users.

 

[Earburner]

Sometimes its just good to highlight the ridiculous. Like who would be tormented by a jab? Why would the jab strike you like a scorpion for 5 months?

And if it was the jab why is it that alot of the crazies that took it actually tormented the rest of us that did not for almost two years?

Hummmm ?
(as you would say)

They were WORSE than these evil locusts!

No, the worse is still yet to come! Rev. 9:13-21

 

[Verily]

No, the worse is still yet to come! Rev. 9:13-21

I think you missed the joke

 

[Earburner]

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


sorcerers

This word is speaking of drugs, and those who use them...perhaps those who sell them to others as well!


5332

5332 pharmakeus {far-mak-yoos'}

from pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion);; n m

AV - sorcerer 1; 1

1) one who prepares or uses magical remedies
2) sorcerer


A "sorcerer" nowadays means a "magical wizard" or something, but in the past it was a term for drug makers and users without regard to male or female.


Thayer's

5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}

from 5332;; n f

AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3

1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry


Act 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Act 8:10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
Act 8:11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.


Drugs were the way this man was able to "bewitch" so many people into thinking he had magical powers to create these "magical" things.


Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


"witchcraft"


Strong's
G5331
pharmakeia
far-mak-i'-ah
From G5332; medication (“pharmacy”), that is, (by extension) magic (literal or figurative): - sorcery, witchcraft.


Medication! Not good medication but they sure enjoyed it and those they got it from!



Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

This should really read this way:


Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, **DRUG ABUSE**, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Note that these are "works of the flesh" meaning your body and don't drugs affect one's body (including the mind) in very strong ways?




witches were known in the past for making "brews" and "potions" in their caldrons, another way to "cook" drugs and make up "medicines" otherwise known as drugs. Even in the late 19th century cocaine and forms of it were commonly used as "medicines" even though they didn't actually heal you.


3784

03784 kashaph {kaw-shaf'}

a primitive root; TWOT - 1051; v

AV - sorcerers 3, witch 2, witchcraft 1; 6

1) (Piel) to practice [font color=red]witchcraft or sorcery[/font], use witchcraft
1a) sorcerer, sorceress (participle)





5331 pharmakeia {far-mak-i'-ah}

from 5332;; n f

AV - sorcery 2, witchcraft 1; 3

1) the use or the administering of drugs
2) poisoning
3) sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and
fostered by it
4) metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry


from this word do we have "pharmacy" a place for drugs, and a pharmacy has long been a term for someone making or using any drug, even the bad addictive kinds like cocaine, vaccines and etc.

witches and sorcerers and those types were the first drug pushers and users.

I have done the exact same homework, and more so, back in 2019. It's sad that others have not.
Some would rather "poke fun" and play church-ianity.

 

[Earburner]

I think you missed the joke

You don't get it. NONE of it is a joke.

 

[Verily]

I have done the exact same homework, and more so, back in 2019. It's sad that others have not.
Some would rather "poke fun" and play church-ianity.

How do you know who has done what homework, and you left churchianity 30 years after I did so if anyone still has churchianity in them it would more than likely be you than me.

This is why its not worth talking to you, you cant deal with anyone disagreeing with you and you throw around the word "churchianity" as if you have arrived somewhere far above all others in brick and mortar churches. But by your own confession you just left during covid, I have have only been in churches for 3 months the rest has been outside.

You lack discernment.

 

[Verily]

You don't get it. NONE of it is a joke.

Yeah, but you make it one and that is what is easy to poke fun at. You just take it personally.

 

[Earburner]

Earburner I understand who the prince of this world is and that Pharmekia is sorceries

I try to stay away from them.

Very good, so do I. So now let's stay with God's plan for what's coming next in Rev. 9

 

[Verily]

Very good, so do I. So now let's stay with God's plan for what's coming next in Rev. 9

I dont fetch verses

 

[Earburner]

How do you know who has done what homework, and you left churchianity 30 years after I did so if anyone still has churchianity in them it would more than likely be you than me.

This is why its not worth talking to you, you cant deal with anyone disagreeing with you and you throw around the word "churchianity" as if you have arrived somewhere far above all others in brick and mortar churches. But by your own confession you just left during covid, I have have only been in churches for 3 months the rest has been outside.

You lack discernment.

No need for either of us to take things personally. But it has been you that has been turning up the heat in the kitchen.

Yeah, but you make it one and that is what is easy to poke fun at. You just take it personally.

Now you lack discernment.

 

[Earburner]

I dont fetch verses

I didn't know you don't have a Bible.
What's with all the "banter"?? Can we just leave it out of the discussion?
Edit: post# 299 and 301 have my ref. of Rev. 9:13-21. You probably didn't look it up.

Have a Happy New Year!!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Alright I'll stop
(I had to get that out of my system)

Like... you need some help. You do not make any sense at all. You do not have a clue about who the smoke locusts represent. And why they are commanded they only hurt those who have not yet sealed by God. And do you know why God allows this?

 

[TribulationSigns]

I dont fetch verses

Then clearly, you are not a bible student.

 

[Verily]

No need for either of us to take things personally. But it has been you that has been turning up the heat in the kitchen.

I dont take things personally, you have been the one from the beginning on both threads to come after me desiring me to see things your way, I just dont, and I could care less either way whether you see it the way I do.

Now you lack discernment.

Yuh huh...
Nuh uh...
Yuh huh...?

You made it the joke as far as how you are trying to prove your own point. I am not making fun of the scriptures I posted all of them relating to this without trying to prove any point of mine, or by manipulating them in trying to steer them with my own interjections as you often do. I dont regard that as honestly handling the word of God. I prefer a more of a hands off approach with them and shutting my mouth while I do it, trying to find out where He might have me go with a thing rather than lead the way to my own destination taking over the text. I am certainly not the one trying to prove anything you are. I just show very plainly how I lay them out to show how I am comparing between what is written. You dont always shoot straight with them, and its that which you want me to look at and respond to, or want my approval for whatever reason, if I see it as being twisty I usually post a verse at a thing to be considered for correction (because that is what his word is for). You respond with "workarounds" and sooner rather than later start this churchianity name calling, as if somehow a handful of years outside of the church has purged you of something or other.

We can avoid one another for a time, post to a thread rather than tag each other. If you disagree with something I say feel free to post to the thread and when you respond I will do the same to the thread. That might be a better idea because we will not always agree with each other and I am fine with that but you are not.

 

[Verily]

Like... you need some help. You do not make any sense at all. You do not have a clue about who the smoke locusts represent. And why they are commanded they only hurt those who have not yet sealed by God. And do you know why God allows this?

Oh please, you never change

 

[Verily]

Then clearly, you are not a bible student.

A workman in the word writes them out, and a good example of this is the apostles who so clearly did, apparently I have read my bible and its you who need to study a bit more.

 

[Verily]

I didn't know you don't have a Bible.

I do, I thought you had one as well.

I would expect you to do your own work by laying a thing out. I lay out all my own. I am not fetching everyone elses verses.

Its called not being lazy

What's with all the "banter"?? Can we just leave it out of the discussion?

If you promise first yes.

 

[Verily]

Back to the thread, looking at smoke and see what various scriptures show

Since this is where the King of pride (whose name is associated to pride's actual outcome)
being "Destruction" Here's an interesting connection

To be "lifted up in pride" G5187 is "to smoke"

As Paul says here

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being "lifted up with pride"G5187 he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

G5187 lifted up with pride

Which is to raise a smoke

to raise a smoke, to wrap in a mist

metaph.

to make proud, puff up with pride, render insolent

to be puffed up with haughtiness or pride

to blind with pride or conceit, to render foolish or stupid

And here in Isaiah 9:18 "The lifting up of smoke" H1348

Isaiah 9:18 For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up H1348 of smoke.

H1348 the lifting up

Includes the definition of pride

majesty

a rising up (of column of smoke)

a swelling (of sea)

majesty (of God)

pride

The locusts have crowns like gold. Rev 9:7 and in Nah 3:17 Thy crowned are as the locusts

The scripture shows us crowns of pride

Isaiah 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, H1348 to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

Which will trodden under feet

Isaiah 28:3 The crown of pride, H1348 the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

We also have treading shown in relation to these again

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

It speaks of breaking the pride of your power here

Lev 26:19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass

Paul says, he will know not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.

1 Cr 4:19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.

Leviathan scales are his pride

Job 41:15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.

The blinding nature of scales

Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

And again, Leviathan here too

Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

Highminded, as Paul says,

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Condescend to men of low estate

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

The sun and the air are darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. The lifting up of smoke can be shown as pride, and pride itself is also shown as a power, scales being related to pride darkening effect, whether in the mind and/or heart or the light of the sun which could represent the light of the gospel

He being the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience

2 Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

I will try add more and find a better rearrangement for the order of things tommorrow Lord willing, this needs better arranging

Edited it a bit