What is the third woe?

[David H.]

Does that mean you believe the 6th Seal coincides with the Matthew 24:15 event of the placing of the "abomination of desolation" idol in Jerusalem for the end? I see that event as "great tribulation" timing which Jesus mentioned later there.

Where do you see the sixth seal in Matthew 24.... after the abomination and the Great tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31) it even says "immediately after the tribulation of those days..." The third woe IMO is when Judgment comes and those who are not worthy come to see they will face the wrath of God. It is arrived at in multiple visions in revelation, the seals, the trumpets, the vials as well as the section on the characters (Revelation 12-14) and the vision on the end of Babylon. when you begin to see the overlap, all of a sudden there is dimension to these events particularly what the day of the LORD is like, and the events that lead up to it, that a linear reading will not give you. For example, you now understand that the little scroll is a judgment decree, or that the seven thunders align in revelation. You start to see that the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit is not the Antichrist but another beast altogether, that one of the woman that goes into the wilderness attaches itself to after the judgment, that being the false church system.

No one is even remotely exploring these things and even seeing what he has been showing me, and I am awestruck by this.... all the wisdom of men through thousands of years of studying Revelation with some of the greatest minds working on it, have failed to see this three dimensionality in revelation.... they have seen glimpses of it, and it has forced them insert parenthesis therein to nullify the contradictions, But the overall structure has eluded them, almost like it was sealed away from men. It is a whole new and different way of structuring revelation that presents a whole new timeline to events, but so many are stuck in their indoctrinated view that they do not want to even explore the possibility of this because it would mean questioning their indoctrinated view, therefore I get accused of false teaching, blasphemy, and worse because of it. But to me it is just simply closed mindedness and arrogance on their part.

Matthew 24: BTW is the most accurate timeline in scripture.... it fits the best with what was shown me. When we see the abomination is when the GT begins, it is the very first event we will see. The church is here, but will be taken to the wilderness, only the saints will face the war from the beast.... but beware, the church who is in the wilderness will come riding out on the beast from the bottomless pit while Israel who is in the wilderness with us, the other woman will go into their land and be redeemed. That false church (Woman riding the beast) will come out and oppose Israel and will be led to Armageddon as well. A woman goes into the wilderness, and comes out as a harlot after the judgment/rapture of the faithful and the saints.

 

[David H.]

the third woe comes quickly…that quickly is interesting (Imo).

Consider: “Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.” With Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Now you are starting to glimpse the three dimensional nature of the book of revelation. By doing this, The book of Revelation explains itself and the very Christ who it is a revelation of. It places the focus on Christ and not on men. That IMO is the blessing of studying this book that John alludes to. (Revelation 22:7)

 

[Timtofly]

This is why understanding what chapters are Parenthetical Citations is so very important. Don't place Rev. chapters 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 17, 18 and 19 with Rev. chapters 8, 9 and 15&16. You see, the 7 Thunders ARE the 7 Trumps, so since Woe #2 comes from the 6th Trump, the 2nd Woe really cant come before the 7 Thunders. Rev. 11 starts 1335 days before the 2nd Coming because the Two-witnesses show up at the 1335 or 1335 dats before the Second Coming ends all of these wonders, thus chapter 11s timeline actually starts 75 days before Rev. 8 does. The two-witnesses die at the 2nd Woe, which is why the 3rd Woe is only mentioned as coming soon, they pray down all of the plagues of God, but just after they pray for the 3rd Woe, the die before it comes at the 2nd woe. So, yes the 2nd Woe ends in Rev. 9 because only Rev.8, 9 and 15&16 are real time events as per the 70th week, Rev. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 17, 18 and 19 are chapters that take place at the same timeframe as those four chapters do.



Rev. 10, 11, 12, 13, 17, and 18 all start in the Middle of the Week (First Trump) and end with the 7th Trump, whereas Rev. 14 and 19 covers the full 7 years because we se the Church Marry the Lamb in Rev. 19 and we see a FLASHBACK to the Pre Trib Rapture in Rev. 14:14.

The AoD is actually 1290 days, so a little over 42 months, thus the Jews have 30 days to flee Judea before the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem at the 1260 event.

They show up 75 days before the Beast at the 1335 compared to the 1260 and thus DIE 75 days before the Beast at the 2nd Woe vs. the 7th Vial.

All opinion.

The 7 Thunders make 28 events.

You combine everything via your own imagination, and not Scripture.

 

[David H.]

All opinion.

The 7 Thunders make 28 events.

You combine everything via your own imagination, and not Scripture.

There is a reason why Revelation draws so many varied opinions, and that is because that is how God intended it to be.... Just like the first advent the prophecies were meant to confuse the adversary, had he known God's plan he would not have crucified the LORD. (1 Corinthians 2:8) It is the same now for the second advent, the diverse opinions are there so that the adversary will not know the truth until it is too late. We all know in Part....

 

[Ronald D Milam]

All opinion.

The 7 Thunders make 28 events.

You combine everything via your own imagination, and not Scripture.

You do not understand Prophecy.

 

[Davy]

Where do you see the sixth seal in Matthew 24.... after the abomination and the Great tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31) it even says "immediately after the tribulation of those days..." The third woe IMO is when Judgment comes and those who are not worthy come to see they will face the wrath of God. It is arrived at in multiple visions in revelation, the seals, the trumpets, the vials as well as the section on the characters (Revelation 12-14) and the vision on the end of Babylon. when you begin to see the overlap, all of a sudden there is dimension to these events particularly what the day of the LORD is like, and the events that lead up to it, that a linear reading will not give you. For example, you now understand that the little scroll is a judgment decree, or that the seven thunders align in revelation. You start to see that the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit is not the Antichrist but another beast altogether, that one of the woman that goes into the wilderness attaches itself to after the judgment, that being the false church system.

The reason I asked that, is because of this...

Rev 6:12-13
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
KJV

As usual, God's Word often condenses a lot of information in a short space, especially when using analogy. Later in Revelation 12:7-9 we are warned for the end that Satan and his angels are to be kicked out of the heavenly dimension down to our earthy dimension. That is the future event I believe these stars falling unto earth is pointing to, because the next phrase linked with it, "even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs" is an analogy to the winter fig, which is a real winter fig that grows in the winter, but falls off in the spring. The good fig season in the middle east instead is from May through September, and Lord Jesus even pointed to summer as harvest time (in contrast to winter). So I believe Lord Jesus is using an analogy about an early fig being about the deceived that join with the coming false-Messiah which comes first. And that would be 'great tribulation' timing when that false-Messiah comes. Thus I see the 6th Seal having 2 parts, the above two verses being the first part about Satan and his angelic host being cast down to earth (literally), which will be in the latter half of the tribulation time. And the next 6th Seal verses about Christ's coming on the "day of the Lord" to defeat Satan and his host, and the kings of the earth.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

There is a reason why Revelation draws so many varied opinions, and that is because that is how God intended it to be.... Just like the first advent the prophecies were meant to confuse the adversary, had he known God's plan he would not have crucified the LORD. (1 Corinthians 2:8) It is the same now for the second advent, the diverse opinions are there so that the adversary will not know the truth until it is too late. We all know in Part....

Boom, spot on...........but there were those who knew Jesus was coming, the old man Simeon is an example of this, but he was righteous and devout.

Lue 2:25Now there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 The Holy Spirit had revealed to him that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27Led by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. And when the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for Him what was customary under the Law,…

So, God indeed makes these understandings complex, then He choses whom He choses to reveal these events and the timings thereof unto. I was called unto Prophecy but nit given these understanding for 30 years, the difference between me and many others is they simply start guessing or hypothesizing, that was never me, the holy spirit might tell what is not correct, like the RCC and Pope angle AND the Islamic Angle put forth by Joel Richardson, but being given the understanding something is not correct is much different than something being revealed, that has to be God's timing alone !! If people have a habit of reading other men's understandings, they will never get there in full. They will be chasing other men's fantasies like Joseph Smith, or even cuckoo birds like David Koresh or Jim Jones etc. Or even guys like Joel Richardson who is so far down the Islamic angle he can't change even when shown its an error. I learned we have to "Wait Upon the Lord".

As usual, God's Word often condenses a lot of information in a short space, especially when using analogy. Later in Revelation 12:7-9 we are warned for the end that Satan and his angels are to be kicked out of the heavenly dimension down to our earthy dimension. That is the future event I believe these stars falling unto earth is pointing to, because the next phrase linked with it, "even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs" is an analogy to the winter fig, which is a real winter fig that grows in the winter, but falls off in the spring.

Wow. I see someone who gets this, however this can have a two pronged meaning and be about Satan being cast down and this asteroid hitting the earth also. Satan was known as the Morning Star in the book of Job.

Thus I see the 6th Seal having 2 parts, the above two verses being the first part about Satan and his angelic host being cast down to earth (literally), which will be in the latter half of the tribulation time. And the next 6th Seal verses about Christ's coming on the "day of the Lord" to defeat Satan and his host, and the kings of the earth.

I see the Seals as Prophetic in nature (because indeed they are, I am not just guessing) but if you think it through brothers, besides that overall point, we know the Dragon chases the Woman Israel for 1260 days, so we know Jacobs Troubles last for 1260 days and the Man in Linen (Jesus) confirms all of this in Dan. 12:7 via a Time, times and half time, which is why John uses both 1260 days and a time, times and half in Rev. 12 so the reader will understand where it comes from.

So, since the 6th Seal is actually NOT a Judgment (remember, I say its a Prophetic Utterance) and it points to Satan being CAST DOWN, and that has to be at the very first Judgment, because the Dragon chases the Woman fir 1260 days, thus we can not be in the 6th Judgment of God, it all has to start on the first Judgment, and Trumps 1, 2, 3 and 4 are all the same Judgment, just different phases of one Asteroid Impact.

1.) The Fire from the fragments falling off
2.) The Impact of the Asteroid
3.) The Fallout that puts off a poison by product like sulfur or some sort of "Nuclear like fallout"
4.) The Sun and Moon goes dark and the Stars fall from Heaven. ( See how it matches Seal 6 ? )

Oh well, gotta run, nice observations.

 

[David H.]

Boom, spot on...........but there were those who knew Jesus was coming, the old man Simeon is an example of this, but he was righteous and devout.

Lue 2:25Now there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 The Holy Spirit had revealed to him that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27Led by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. And when the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for Him what was customary under the Law,…

So, God indeed makes these understandings complex, then He choses whom He choses to reveal these events and the timings thereof unto. I was called unto Prophecy but nit given these understanding for 30 years, the difference between me and many others is they simply start guessing or hypothesizing, that was never me, the holy spirit might tell what is not correct, like the RCC and Pope angle AND the Islamic Angle put forth by Joel Richardson, but being given the understanding something is not correct is much different than something being revealed, that has to be God's timing alone !! If people have a habit of reading other men's understandings, they will never get there in full. They will be chasing other men's fantasies like Joseph Smith, or even cuckoo birds like David Koresh or Jim Jones etc. Or even guys like Joel Richardson who is so far down the Islamic angle he can't change even when shown its an error. I learned we have to "Wait Upon the Lord".

The Key with Simeon and all who study prophecy is the Holy Spirit must reveal the truth, not men trying to make money off of their theories. In 2007 I went back to square 1 and said to the Holy Spirit i know nothing save Christ and him crucified (Pauline ignorance) and said Holy Spirit teach me.... It took a long time to let go of the pre-trib rapture which I was brought up believing, but eventually the Holy Spirit showed me when the rapture occurs in the book of Revelation.... suffice it to say, many will be disappointed and unprepared for what is to come.

Because a lot of people have this long drawn out linear view of Revelation they see the events happening one at a time, but in reality they are happening quite suddenly and catastrophically, and there will be no time to "prepare" for the next event. Confusion will set in, particularly in the churches, and preachers and leaders who do not use the Holy Spirit as their teacher will fall victim to this confusion the worst, because their reliance is on their own intellect and understanding.

 

[Davy]

Wow. I see someone who gets this, however this can have a two pronged meaning and be about Satan being cast down and this asteroid hitting the earth also. Satan was known as the Morning Star in the book of Job.

But truly, there's really only one Morning Star, and that is Lord Jesus Christ per Revelation 22. In Isaiah 14 God quoted Satan with his claiming to be the morning star. Yet God was only mocking that claim.

At Revelation 9:1 is also an example of a star falling to earth, and to him was given the key to the bottomless pit. I see that as Satan also. I see that in Rev.9 as being used as a metaphor for Satan's workers on the earth at the end concerning the locusts. In Revelation 8:10 is about a falling star as Wormwood falling upon rivers and fountains of waters. I see that as a metaphor also, for spiritual death by Satan and his workers upon the earth for the end, the waters symbolic for people, like in Revelation 17:15.

I see the Seals as Prophetic in nature (because indeed they are, I am not just guessing) but if you think it through brothers, besides that overall point, we know the Dragon chases the Woman Israel for 1260 days, so we know Jacobs Troubles last for 1260 days and the Man in Linen (Jesus) confirms all of this in Dan. 12:7 via a Time, times and half time, which is why John uses both 1260 days and a time, times and half in Rev. 12 so the reader will understand where it comes from.

Yet in Matthew 24, Lord Jesus told us He shortened the time. And He gave it in His Revelation.

So, since the 6th Seal is actually NOT a Judgment (remember, I say its a Prophetic Utterance) and it points to Satan being CAST DOWN, and that has to be at the very first Judgment, because the Dragon chases the Woman fir 1260 days, thus we can not be in the 6th Judgment of God, it all has to start on the first Judgment, and Trumps 1, 2, 3 and 4 are all the same Judgment, just different phases of one Asteroid Impact.

1.) The Fire from the fragments falling off
2.) The Impact of the Asteroid
3.) The Fallout that puts off a poison by product like sulfur or some sort of "Nuclear like fallout"
4.) The Sun and Moon goes dark and the Stars fall from Heaven. ( See how it matches Seal 6 ? )

Oh well, gotta run, nice observations.

There is no asteroid nor nuclear destruction on earth for the great trib. Those are metaphors. Seals 1 thru 6 (1st part) all happen during the timeframe of the "great tribulation". The last part of the 6th Seal and 7th Seal is for the final day of this world, which also is the same timing of the 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial. Satan comes on 666, and Jesus comes on 777.