What is the one true Church?

[BreadOfLife]

Well it isn't an issue anyway if I'm wrong in seperating petra and petros. Jesus is the beginner.. builder and Head of the local New Testament church that is obviously seen in the rest of the NT. The chief cornerstone. So Peter becomes one of the pastors (called shepherd) of the churches Jesus calls His own.

It would mean the same thing if Jesus built His church... local... on Peter's confession of faith which is the gospel of Jesus. I don't really hold to this view.. but it could hold water.

The other thing is I'm non-protestant Baptist. So the baptistic teachings I hold to aren't based on the Protestant reformation. Just the Bible.

Used to be called ana-baptists and became 'baptist' . Independent Christian churches that largely remained true to the faith. Going back before the reformation.

Anyway .. further to the church being local and visible..

Ephesians has 'there is one body..one faith .. one baptism'

Context around this is unity in the church at Ephesus... an example to other churches that the letter would be distributed to.

'There is' is also.. for Bibles which are being honest... an insertion.

What difference does this make? It means it could apply to any local body of believers. Rather than one ununited, disjointed, unassembled mass of all believers.

The one Jesus.. with many local assemblies He calls His own.

Every Protestant I come across denies being Protestant.
I've got news for you - unless you are a Baptized Catholic or Orthodox Christian - and you are indeed a christian - you are a Protestant by definition.

As for Peter being the Rocxk of Matt. 16:18 - I only gave you HALF of the Protestant (non-Catholic) scholarship regarding thius verse.
Would you luje the other half?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Wacky
Pray FOR the living.
Scripture teaches AGAINST PRAYING TO “created” spirits, PRAYING TO dead men...FOR ANY REASON!

Praying TO, is reserved for the Lord God.

I openly-challenge you - here in front of all of your fellow Catholic-haters, t provide me with a SINGLE verse of Scripture that condems asking (praying) a fellow human beings a question, request, plea or supplication.

Definition of the word “PRAY”:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

I'll waith right here for your answer . . .

 

[Taken]

The other thing is I'm non-protestant Baptist. So the baptistic teachings I hold to aren't based on the Protestant reformation. Just the Bible.

Ditto.
But of course a self proclaimed teacher on this forum has declared;
If ya ain’t Catholic you’re a Protestant....cuz only they have the truth...
pffff.

 

[Taken]

I openly-challenge you - here in front of all of your fellow Catholic-haters, t provide me with a SINGLE verse of Scripture that condems asking (praying) a fellow human beings a question, request, plea or supplication.

Definition of the word “PRAY”:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

I'll waith right here for your answer . . .

Spiritual context...pray FOR others...pray TO the Lord God.
Secular context...have a piece of meat...

 

[Illuminator]

I openly-challenge you - here in front of all of your fellow Catholic-haters, t provide me with a SINGLE verse of Scripture that condems asking (praying) a fellow human beings a question, request, plea or supplication.

Definition of the word “PRAY”:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

I'll waith right here for your answer . . .

Let me guess.
Hypothetical Answer:
The one and only acceptable definition for "pray" is always an intransitive verb. Can't you read??? Any idiot can see it tops the list of definitions. What a stupid Catholic!!!

 

[Grailhunter]

Nobodu is "worshipping" Peter.
If onn;y you could stiop LYING for 5 minutes - we night be able to have an intelligent conversation . . .

The problem isn't about Peter anyway.
It's about a fictitious, revisionist version of the origins of the Chburch that YOU and others choose to believe for which you hgave no valid linguistic argument..

No if you could read and write we could have and an intelligent conversation.....You are not even smart enough to know that you are talking to a friend.

And I did not say that the Catholics worship Peter.....
I explained that the Protestants do not understand the Catholic beliefs and it seems that they worship Peter.
It goes along with Catholics kneeling before statues and praying to saints.....and how they relate to the Pope.....it makes people think that the Catholics worship people. You can't blame them for thinking that.....it is an outward appearance. At communion they kneel before the priest with their mouths open.....it looks a little kinky to outsiders.

The modern Catholic Church is a much better Church but there are things it does to shoot itself in the foot. The whole Peter thing and the celibacy requirement is an open wound that keeps bleeding for the Church. And infant baptisms just does not make sense.
Need a lot more focus on Christ.

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

LOL

I don't have the power to forgibe YOU for sinning against your wife or for steaking from your boss.

I can onlky forgive those sins you commit against ME.

Maybe YOU think you can forgive SIN, but I don’t believe that.
YOU are a Gentile.
YOU were NOT under Mosaic LAW.
....Mosaic LAW, provided that men who violated the LAW against another man, could be considered a TRESPASS or a SIN (according to the Law).
....ONLY “ISRAEL” was relieved of the LAW....not Gentiles.
....GENTILES “SIN” is AGAINST LORD GOD...for having DISBELIEF....and CORRUPTING your SOUL.
....ONLY the Lord GOD forgives SIN ...
FOR DISBELIEF IN HIM and FOR CORRUPTING your SOUL.

I have ZERO requirement to BELIEVE IN YOU.
And you have ZERO authority to FORGIVE SIN.

SIN is AGAINST the Lord God.
YOU have NOT authority to forgive SIN.
And NO, I can NOT SIN AGAINST YOU.
And YOU, accusing people of SINNING AGAINST YOU, is a farce.

That's why Jesus gave that poer to His Church in John 20:21-23. - to forgive those sine OR to hold them bound.
That's what Paul was talking about in 2 Cor. 2:10, when he forgave the sins of others had committed against som of the Corinthian congregation - and he did so in the PERSON of Christ.

He explains in 2 Cor. 5:18-20:
“And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given US the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to US the message of reconciliation. So WE are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through US. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”

God gave "US" the ministry of recoonciliation.
He doesn't say "YOU" to his readers.

Entrustung to "US" the message of reconciliation.
He doesn't say "YOU" to his readers.

"WE" are ambassadors for christ.
He doesn't say "YOU" to his readers.

As if God were appealing through "US".
He doesn't say "YOU" to his readers.

This isb't Rocket Science, pal . . .

What does that have to do with Forgiving Sin? Zip.
Ministry is TEACHING HOW TO....not stepping in and pretending you have the Authority to FORGIVE SIN AGAINST GOD!

 

[Taken]

There's only ONE Church.
What YOU have are factions, called, "denominations" of that ONE Church.

STILL on your silly diatribe.

It matters not WHAT a Christian Church calls itself...
IF IT IS ESTABLISHED ON THE ROCK FOUNDATION THAT:
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God...
THEN IT is an Acceptable Church unto God!

You have made it abundantly clear your Church is established ON a Terrestrial man and Teaches AND DOES solicit the spirits of Terrestrial men and woman to Pray TO.

On its face, you should be alarmed, at everything God calls an abomination.

 

[Taken]

I openly-challenge you - here in front of all of your fellow Catholic-haters..

Fellow Catholic haters.....

Catholics are a “group” of People....I don’t even know ALL Catholics, to claim I hate ALL Catholics.

OH...but, but, but....who needs to speak for themselves with YOU HERE TO do everyone’s thinking and speaking for them....Gaslighter!

IF you stopped thinking yourself SO IMPORTANT, and ACTUALLY PAID attention, It is Catholic Doctrine that is in dispute and NOT favorable to people who CHOOSE not to be associated with the CATHOLIC “group” and CATHOLIC teaching.

Not rocket science.

 

[Ziggy]

A question arose concerning John the baptists ministry regarding fasting.
Jesus' disciples said John taught his disciples to fast but Jesus himself did not.
And Jesus replied Can the children of the bridegroom mourn while he is yet with him.. I'll find it..

Luk 5:33
And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?
Luk 5:34
And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them?
Luk 5:35
But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days.

It was not long after the beheading of John the Baptist that Jesus gave Simon his new name Peter.

What if Petros is Petra?

What I mean is... bare with me here. I can understand this in my mind but the words are hard to find.

I am reminded of the story of Isaac and Rebekah. Isaac's mother had passed away and he then took Rebekah to wife.
Gen 24:67
And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.

John the Baptist represents the old covenant or the old wine skin. And as John preached he said:
Isa 40:3
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

This salutation that John made is not unlike the one his mother Elizabeth said concerning Jesus.

Luk 1:43
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Luk 1:44
For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Luk 1:45
And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

At this time the babe inside Elizabeth's womb lept for joy.

30 years later John is baptizing in the Jordan and sees Jesus coming to be baptized of him.
Mat 3:13
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
Mat 3:14
But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

John the Baptist is the representation of the faithful bride under the old covenant.

When John died (first wife under the old covenant) Jesus took a new bride(New covenant)
This new bride would have responsibility for the children under the first marriage, and also become a mother of the new children yet to be born.

If Peter is Petra then when Jesus says upon this rock will I build my church, He is speaking to his new bride and all the children that will follow.
Peter feed my lambs... go unto the lost sheep of Israel.. those from the Old covenant.
And yet Paul was sent to the Gentiles. The strangers, the orphans, other people not under the old covenant.
Exo 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Rev 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:10
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11
Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Side note concerning the Sabbath.
Consider..
Exo 16:5
And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

Twice as much, both Jew and Gentile will be gathered on the sixth day.

Perhaps Peter needed a help meet for him so the Lord gave Paul to assist in the gathering?

Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Dang this puts a whole new swing on the transgender movement.
There is a purpose for this "new thing". Perhaps it is to make us understand that God can use any gender for whatever purpose he needs them to be.
And because we still have our understanding according to the outward appearance, we can't understand the inner dilemma these people who are one way outwardly believe they are another way inwardly.

What if being male or female in the flesh is not as important to God as who they are in the spirit?

Do we judge much?

Anywhooo..
those are just a few thoughts that came to mind regarding Petros and Petra.
You are free to chew on them and spit them out if you so please.

Hugs

 

[Taken]

We are united with factions, denominations by virtue of the Trinity.

The only way out of this association with Catholics is to be a liberal Modernist, and deny or obfuscate a divinely revealed truth. The Modalist heresy seems to be popular around here.

Astounding. You just don’t get it! Dictate for yourself. No one is limited by what you decide for them!

Face the Facts...
Your Catholic Church is built UPON Peter.
NON-Catholic Church’s build their Church UPON;
Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God.

 

[St. SteVen]

no man, no priest, no pope, no earthbound church of splender could give to me what only comes from God Above.

That's solid gold right there.

 

[Ziggy]

What does the Catholic Church make of the Beast and the Mark of the Beast?
How is this interpreted to them?

Thank You
Hugs

 

[Taken]

Let me guess.
Hypothetical Answer:
The one and only acceptable definition for "pray" is always an intransitive verb. Can't you read??? Any idiot can see it tops the list of definitions. What a stupid Catholic!!!

OK...LOL

 

[amigo de christo]

Obviously you forget that Peter, after he was spirit-filled, was designated as the apostle to the Jews and that Paul called him out for his hypocritical behavior.

The rest of your post is the usual condemnation of the body of Christ. You will have to answer to the Lord for your constant villification of those whom He loves and are part of His body.

You like to set yourself up as some sort of latter-day prophet but that is simply your delusion, created by your false pride of self.

And as usual, your English is abysmal. Why should anyone pay attention when you don't even care enought to communicale clearly?

and again peter repented . these leaders do not . Paul was sent to correct those in error and they repented .
Difference between the true and the false . These leaders just keep getting worse and worse and worse .

 

[Taken]

I openly-challenge you - a SINGLE verse of Scripture that condems asking (praying) a fellow human beings a question, request, plea or supplication.

I never said a human being is condemned for asking a fellow human being a question, etc.

I'll waith right here for your answer . . .

Keep waiting because I will not answer what I did not say!

 

[amigo de christo]

You said....nor the errors within the protestant realm either . Unity with those who love and follow CHRIST
not unity with those who seduce and teach falsehoods .

Do a study on perspectives and how they influence your reality and everyone's reality from their own personal perspective.
First you have to know what is false. Odds are very good that your own personal beliefs are full of falsehoods.


Explain what you think would have happened if Emperor Constantine would not have befriended Christianity.
Do you think anything like the Ecumenical Councils would happened? 30,000 denominations is not a standardization, nor is it one Church.

Surely you know that there are people that think you...me...anybody are false teachers, it is all a matter of perspective.
The Catholic Church is the oldest and largest Christian Church in this world, that alone does not mean it is wrong.

A witness to an event that is a few feet from it is more reliable than a witness three miles away....that is the difference between the Catholic Church and the Protestants. Their focus and lineage from Peter is just wrong....but not far off....their lineage came from all of the Apostles with no focus no Peter. We have some of writings from the disciples of the Apostles and they lead to the Bishops that were corresponding for nearly 300 years and then attended the Roman Ecumenical Councils. The Roman Catholic Church is "the" lineage from the Apostles.

The Protestants cannot say that.....1500 years later they picked up a set of Bibles that were full of errors and tried to understand it and they are still trying to understand it. And if they keep using the King James Version they will never understand the scriptures or Christianity. Of course I am not saying the Catholics got it right either, their focus on politics and power distracted them from seeking the truth and that lead to some very bad things.....but all the Good Deeds they did and are doing gets lost in all that. And then the Protestant arrived on the scene and produced religions that see Good Deeds as irrelevant. Why would we want to follow the examples that Christ set? LOL Not to act like followers of Christ.

That why I say that as far as theology....they are all in the same boat. Now did God ever think that we would get it entirely right? No! But at least we can act like Christians and love one another. At this point we do not have to agree....how could that happen?

I prefer to remember Christ with the Bread and Wine Ritual but I still stand with the Protestants at times and eat crackers and Kool-Aid but the Catholic Host thing I have no use for, but I still fellowship and worship with both the Catholics and Protestants. Why? They are Christians and they love Christ and I love them.

And as far as Christian study....memorizing the scriptures is a good thing.....knowing what they mean is better....but learning the Spirit of Christ is the best. Because without it the scriptures are going to lead you to an empty religion that is not a reflection of Christ.

It had been far better if the CC had not made its bed with constantine . Constantine and this church
actually put more into effect the bringing in of paganism into the church .
Been far better for that Church if it had never sold out . We can preach GOD through hard times and good times .
We dont need to make our bed with govt . It never works out . Always the CHURCH who does this
goes with the tides of men . The protestant realm in large has made the same mistake
and now make their beds with the Promise of tax free status . CHURCHSTATE is what our very founders
had run from and its why its set up in the constitution . THEY had a whore of a monster
that used politics and politics used her to do all sorts of viles to the people .
And now look . ITS happening again . A WORD STATE RELIGION has been born under the guise of love tolerance
unity and inclusion . Any guesses what is about to come next .
SAME PATTERN , RESULTS IN THE SAME THING . soon those who dont conform will find themselves
ONCE again under a very BLOODY and very heavy persecutions by the so called WORLDS religoin
and the religions who have merged as one under it
will do just as was done in times past . THEY wont kill anyone , BUT WILL help the state , report them to authorities
Help spy them out and betray them and just like they did to CHRIST the dirty rotten inclusive religion will
bring us before govts , before courts and let them DO THE DEED . REALLY AINT NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN is there .
Its been done before and throughout times in history . The church for promise of the easy life
sells out to the worldy govts goals and then in time as more and more changes occur
IT THEN becomes OUT with ecumincism and in with the CRUSADES and PERSECUTIONS against those who conformed not .
ITS almost at that point right now . YEAH , THE CC should never have sold out for fear and the easy life
and made its bed with constantine . IT ALL went down hill and so too it will again .

 

[GRACE ambassador]

The Chief Cornerstone.

Glad you brought that up, because it solves a LOT of the Confusion of churches, baptisms, etc. - ie:

God’s Context Of ‘prophecy/covenants/law’ program:

• foundation of Israel's "Jewish kingdom assembly" (Matthew 16:18) =
First "wall of God's Building"?

• TWELVE Apostles (Mat. 10:2; Luk 6:13, 22:14)

• gospel of the kingdom (Mat. 4:23, 9:35, 24:14; Mar 1:14-15)

• Commission (Mat. 28:19-20)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

God’s Other Context Of GRACE / Mystery Program Has Its Own:

• Apostle (Rom. 11:13; 1 Tim. 2:7), the wise masterbuilder who:

• "laid The Foundation," so as Not to "build on another's (Peter's?) foundation" ​

(1 Corinthians 3:10; Romans 15:20) Second wall, hence "Chief Cornerstone"?​

• Gospel Of GRACE (1 Cor. 15:3-4; Eph. 2:8-9)

• Commission (2 Cor. 5:14-21; Eph. 3:9) To "The Body Of Christ!":

"Grace Through faith," Apart From ALL [man's] works, To Eternal Life!
(Eph 2:8-9; Rom 3:24, 4:5; Tit 3:5-7; Now God's OPERATION 1Co 12:13)

Conclusion: TWO Different programs * (solving my 'homogenization dilemma')
are Not the same; Never Mix them Up in Confusion (Romans_11:6), Correct?

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)! → * Two Programs Distinctions and Differences. Amen?

 

[Illuminator]

What does the Catholic Church make of the Beast and the Mark of the Beast?
How is this interpreted to them?

Thank You
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

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It was an honest question.