What is the one true Church?

[Ziggy]

I reported that post, pleading with the mods to close the thread on the grounds that it's degenerated into another bash-fest. I don't expect any favors, I just want the same protection granted to everybody else on this "Christian" forum.

Why should a thread begun by another be shut down because you don't like the contents of it?
If it has degenerated into a bash-fest as you call it, it takes two to tango.
So if you don't like to dance, why not rather leave the party?

The question of the OP is What is the true church.
Which is more encompassing than simply the RCC.
Even though they refuse to agree.

I don't feel unprotected when you attack me. On the contrary I believe I am shielded by Faith in God and His word.
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the fire if that's how you feel.
To others this thread is refreshing and a cup of cold water.

Many opinions are here that have nothing to do with Catholicism.
But you are offended, and that is enough to close off discourse from everyone else?

Why do you feel unprotected if your faith in your religion is so strong?

 

[Illuminator]

You behave as an enemy of Protestants here. As you claim to be a Catholic.

Is that your response to post #596?

I know many RC's. You're not one. You use the church as a launchpad for your hate of Christians.

Is that your response to post #598?

The RCC is pagan. It's history is proof of this. It is also contrary to all that Jesus taught.

I challenged the pagan influence fallacy with 4 logical questions in post #309-311 and all you could say was "yawn".

Actual Christians know this.
Actual RCC's don't behave as you and BoL do to defend against that.

Why?
Because they "know" it isn't true. That's why they don't behave in ways that would need a great deal of time in the confessional afterward.

Another fact that proves you are also not fooling anyone.


The more Christians pay attention to you and BoL the more you'll sin.

And we'll be responsible for that because feeding devil's is unwarranted. Their Hell should be where they are left........ Alone.

In other words, you don't think Catholics have the same right as you do to defend and explain.

 

[Illuminator]

Why should a thread begun by another be shut down because you don't like the contents of it?
If it has degenerated into a bash-fest as you call it, it takes two to tango.
So if you don't like to dance, why not rather leave the party?

You left first, remember?

The question of the OP is What is the true church.
Which is more encompassing than simply the RCC.
Even though they refuse to agree.

That's the problem; you disagree when I agree with you, or you run away, like when I explained what the true Gospel is, post #958. Since you didn't mouth off after posts #596, 597, 598, I took it as a positive sign, or you froze with fear because you couldn't refute me for agreeing with you. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the former.

I don't feel unprotected when you attack me. On the contrary I believe I am shielded by Faith in God and His word.
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the fire if that's how you feel.
To others this thread is refreshing and a cup of cold water.

Many opinions are here that have nothing to do with Catholicism.
But you are offended, and that is enough to close off discourse from everyone else?

Why do you feel unprotected if your faith in your religion is so strong?

I just want the same protection everybody else gets. If the rules have a double standard, then the rules are meaningless. You previously claimed the followers of Moses were indoctrinated, you weren't even aware your remark was anti-Semitic. I gently followed up with post #595 (scroll up) that again, rendered you silent. Your free to shut your eyes or open them.
It's not Jesus 'teaching you directly' lies and slander. You borrow garbage from other anti-Catholics as it's all too familiar.

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

Jesus NEVER taught the crowds that whatever THEY bound or loosed ono earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven. This is something that he ONLY told to His inner circle.

Per Usual You are in ERROR.

Yes,Jesus taught men to FORGIVE men of their Trespasses Against them.
Yes, Jesus taught men to ASK men to FORGIVE Trespasses they committed Against another.
No, A little child in the multitude was not what you called (Jesus’ inner circle).

Matt 6:
[12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Matt 18:
[2] And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them...

Matt 18:
[18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Bound and Loosed, is about Men on Earth, Forgiving Men on Earth;
of Trespasses.

* Forgive a Man of his Trespasses ON Earth and that Trespass shall be Forgiven IN Heaven.

* Forgive NOT a Man of his Trespass ON Earth and that Trespass shall NOT be Forgiven IN Heaven.

You should study and learn, Christ Jesus’ “inner circle”, is not LIMITED to His Apostles, teachers, preachers, bishops, deacons, etc. ie. “Titled” servants who fill a particular roll.

EVERYONE who is a member of Christ’s Church; Serve the Lord God when THEY, Speak the Word of God for others to hear.

EVERYONE who Speaks the Word of God, is held to the SAME “standard” as ANY “titled” Servant, claiming it is the Word of God, SHOULD in fact BE the Word of God.

EVERYONE who IS a member of Christ Jesus’ Church, Who ARE Speaking ON BEHALF of Gods Word; ARE a Reflection of Christ Jesus;
SAME as ANY “titled” Servant of God....( IS SUPPOSED TO Be ).

YOU, have decided “ONLY” titled Servants (what you call LEADERS) have an EXCLUSIVE ROLE....of “FORGIVING” men.

WRONG! (LOL)

Men forgive men ALL THE TIME....
(what do you think...
“ I apologize, I’m sorry, Excuse me, Pardon me, Forgive me” means?

Duped again.

 

[Taken]

In other words, you don't think Catholics have the same right as you do to defend and explain.

Don’t much care about your defenses or your explanations....

* Would be useful for a Catholic to simply quote a Scripture to support some of the things your Church teaches and it Congregates Do.

 

[Illuminator]

Why should a thread begun by another be shut down because you don't like the contents of it?
If it has degenerated into a bash-fest as you call it, it takes two to tango.
So if you don't like to dance, why not rather leave the party?

You left first, remember?

The question of the OP is What is the true church.
Which is more encompassing than simply the RCC.
Even though they refuse to agree.

That's the problem; you disagree when I agree with you.

I don't feel unprotected when you attack me. On the contrary I believe I am shielded by Faith in God and His word.
If you can't handle the heat, get out of the fire if that's how you feel.
To others this thread is refreshing and a cup of cold water.

Many opinions are here that have nothing to do with Catholicism.
But you are offended, and that is enough to close off discourse from everyone else?

Why do you feel unprotected if your faith in your religion is so strong?

That as nothing to do with persecution as if there were no rules of civility. You are not aware of how insulting and offensive your posts are. It's automatic with anti-Catholics. Like a fish who doesn't know he's in water. A sensible exchange of ideas and meaningful dialogue makes for a fruitful discussion. You think you are doing God a favor by throwing poop all over the place, because "Jesus teaches you directly".
Almost everything you have read about the Catholic Church is false.
Everything you believe that is true is found in the Catholic Church.

What does 'Jesus teach you directly' about the Trinity? Enquiring minds want to know!

 

[Taken]

...we Catholics rather like the Church that Jesus Christ set up, initially led by St. Peter.

Jesus Christ initially gave Peter (alone) authority to run Jesus’ Church?

What an odd statement.

* Scripture reveals Christ Jesus is the Head of HIS Church.
* Scripture reveals there Are 12 Tribes of ISRAEL.
* Scripture reveals Jesus chose 12 Men...

Matt 10:
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Thereafter SAUL/PAUL was taught for 3 years (same as the 12)...and sent forth.

Gal 1:
[16] To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
[17] Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Paul to first go Preach to the Jews outside of Jerusalem....but oops.

Acts 18:
[5] And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.
[6] And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.
Acts 13:
[46] Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
[47] For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Since....Paul and Barnabas was to be the light of the Gentiles....
Why is the Catholic Church (of Gentiles) built upon Peter (the Jew) ?

 

[Taken]

You are not aware of how insulting and offensive your posts are. It's automatic with anti-Catholics.

The DOOR of OPINIONS and DISAGREEMENTS and UNFAVORABLE REMARKS swings both ways.

When the door is swinging by a Catholic...opinions and disagreements and derogatory remarks are perfectly acceptable.

When the door is swinging by a NON-Catholic...opinions and disagreements and derogatory remarks are met with....a Catholics inference of a derogatory remark of being an ANTI-CATHOLIC.....and So?

While a Catholics INTENT is to BE insulting and offensive...it is of NO insult, or offensive to a NON-Catholic to be called ANTI-Catholic....
DUH...NON-Catholic means NOT PRO-Catholic.
DUH...OBVIOUS...a NON-Catholic does not AGREE with Catholic teachings and doctrines....

IF you stretch your “ANTI-Catholic” verbiage to MEAN; one does not LIKE a
“PERSON” because they ARE a Catholic....that is FALSE.

IF you are NOT a Protestant.....by your own standards....Are YOU...
ANTI-PROTESTANT?

 

[ButterflyJones]

There is one being fooled . Himself . I pray he flees that place and fast and learns Christ .

If it be God's will to call both of them into his grace.

I don't believe either one is RC.

 

[Grailhunter]

Could we say to see the true Spirit of Christ, we can go to a thread where Catholics and Protestants are engaging? No! But we can see their true spirit.

 

[Brakelite]

Everything you believe that is true is found in the Catholic Church.

I have great respect for your knowledge and understanding of your own faith, but even you surely cannot actually believe the above.

 

[Ziggy]

You left first, remember?

That's the problem; you disagree when I agree with you, or you run away, like when I explained what the true Gospel is, post #958. Since you didn't mouth off after posts #596, 597, 598, I took it as a positive sign, or you froze with fear because you couldn't refute me for agreeing with you. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the former.

I just want the same protection everybody else gets. If the rules have a double standard, then the rules are meaningless. You previously claimed the followers of Moses were indoctrinated, you weren't even aware your remark was anti-Semitic. I gently followed up with post #595 (scroll up) that again, rendered you silent. Your free to shut your eyes or open them.
It's not Jesus 'teaching you directly' lies and slander. You borrow garbage from other anti-Catholics as it's all too familiar.

I left off the conversation you and I were having, not the thread.
See how well that worked out lol

I probably didn't mouth off, as you say, because I don't just sit in this thread holding my breath waiting for you to address me.
And posts go by and I try to pick up where the last post ended...
I'll go back and look at those posts again.

The entire world has double standards, get used to it. Everyone has been indoctrinated into some belief or no belief.
Your accusation of me having an anti-semitic remark is unfounded and belongs in the Woke culture.

I don't borrow anything except what comes from the Bible itself, and when the Lord speaks to my heart I share it.
If I pull songs or pics from the internet it is to try to demonstrate a point I'm trying to make.

You and I will most likely never agree on much of anything. And I'm ok with that, are you?
The impression I have of you is one of King Nebuchadnezzar, trying to get Daniel and his friends to fall down and worship your religion.
I won't do it.
You can try to offer me fancy food from people who believed they held some form of authority,
but I rather eat porridge the Lord puts on my plate.

This is where we are.

I rather not argue. I rather not accuse or be accused. I rather just have a decent conversation where it's ok to agree to disagree.
Maybe we both need to check our ego's at the door, and see where that takes us.

Sincerly
Hugs

sorry, I don't know how to make the post so as to answer every line item seperately.
I'll work on that.

 

[MatthewG]

A spotless bride.

In Paul’s letter to the Ephesians;

“Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are also faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace which he lavished upon us. For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭10‬ ‭RSV‬‬

Ephesians 1:1-8 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are also faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and F | Revised Standard Version (RSV)

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are also faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and F

bible.com

Paul stated how; in encouraging words to the people there,

“Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise, making the most of the time, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart, always and for everything giving thanks in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God the Father. Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭15‬-‭27‬ ‭RSV‬‬

Ephesians 5:27 that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. | Revised Standard Version (RSV) | Download The Bible App Now

that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.

bible.com

Overall I believe this deals with the very first people who were to become Christians was that church bride which Jesus would come and return for in that day in age which he promised.

Though many discredit the promise of Jesus in reservation of seeing things come by again in their own lives; and they have the heart they believe Jesus will come back in our modern times now; but I believe he was seen by those watching and waiting and they were changed in the twinkling of the eye in a new state of being; going on to the heavenly realm.

It’s up to you what ya believe about these things but it’s so important to consider the audience.

 

[Taken]

You come into a forum and act like a rabid animal.

FACTS are not "anti-Protestant bigotry."

You are scared of the evidence and I don't think you even bothered to read the link. You just knee-jerk react because to can't face reality.

Furthermore, I have demonstrated, using official Catholic teaching, the the CC is NOT anti-Protestant. We are not your enemy, you just want us to be.
Do you spit in their faces at the prayer meeting, or just in forums?

Illuminator : QUOTE “ We are not your enemy, you just want us to be.”

People are INDIVIDUALS.
INDIVIDUALS belong to “groups” of their choosing.
An INDIVIDUAL belonging to a “group”, does NOT forfeit his INDIVIDUALITY.

No; it has NOTHING TO DO with what a NON-CATHOLIC .... WANTS...
No; A “SECULAR” ENEMY is about INDIVIDUALS ...
No; A “SECULAR man” ENEMY is NOT about DISAGREEMENT...

YOUR “facts” and an others “facts”, establishes DISAGREEMENT.
YOUR “source of facts” and an other’s “source of facts” FURTHER Disagreement.

YOU “dictating” what an OTHER “wants”,
YOU “dictating” an OTHER’S “fears”,
YOU ”wondering“ IF an OTHER “spits in the face during a prayer meeting”,

* YOU personally, AS IS BOL, are GASLIGHTERS..

* YOU recognize YOU have a DISAGREEMENT with another Person...
* THEN...
* YOU Think, YOU Decide, YOU Speak, FOR THE OTHER PERSON....

REALLY?
* YOU think, YOU decide, YOU speak, AS A SPOKESMAN for a PERSON you are IN DISAGREEMENT WITH?

REALLY?
* Do you REALLY believe an INDIVIDUAL in Disagreement with YOU...
has APPOINTED you, SOLICITED you, TO REPRESENT THEM???

REALLY?
* DO you REALLY believe YOUR GASLIGHTING, is a MEANS, to MAKE your beliefs have MERIT and plausible STANDING?

THE FACT IS: Your gaslighting, IS SIMPLY a sure enough WAY, to account you A FALSE TESTIFIER....and DEFLECTOR from having A worthy conversation about Spiritual things with you.

The FACT IS: A worthy conversation ABOUT Spiritual things, IS REDUCED, IS DEFLECTED, by, through, of Gaslighting...to LOAD of DUNG.

HOW ABOUT you be gracious enough to LET OTHERS SPEAK for themselves, instead of YOU speaking FOR THEM?

I dare say, HECK NO, I do not want an INDIVIDUAL I disagree with, SPEAKING “FOR” me, with “THEIR” thoughts, words, speech.

 

[Illuminator]

I left off the conversation you and I were having, not the thread.
See how well that worked out lol

I probably didn't mouth off, as you say, because I don't just sit in this thread holding my breath waiting for you to address me.
And posts go by and I try to pick up where the last post ended...
I'll go back and look at those posts again.

The entire world has double standards, get used to it. Everyone has been indoctrinated into some belief or no belief.
Your accusation of me having an anti-semitic remark is unfounded and belongs in the Woke culture.

I don't borrow anything except what comes from the Bible itself, and when the Lord speaks to my heart I share it.
If I pull songs or pics from the internet it is to try to demonstrate a point I'm trying to make.

You and I will most likely never agree on much of anything. And I'm ok with that, are you?
The impression I have of you is one of King Nebuchadnezzar, trying to get Daniel and his friends to fall down and worship your religion.
I won't do it.

Then quote me, or any Catholic member in here, who is proselytizing, or stop making things up. Defending and explaining against a tsunami wave of lies, stupid insults and Ku Klux Klan theology is not proselytizing. "trying to get Daniel and his friends to fall down and worship your religion" is another straw man fallacy and you are not even aware you are doing it. It's automatic with anti-Catholics. No honest inquiry need be involved.

You can try to offer me fancy food from people who believed they held some form of authority,
but I rather eat porridge the Lord puts on my plate.

This is where we are.

I rather not argue. I rather not accuse or be accused. I rather just have a decent conversation where it's ok to agree to disagree.
Maybe we both need to check our ego's at the door, and see where that takes us.

Sincerly
Hugs

sorry, I don't know how to make the post so as to answer every line item seperately.
I'll work on that.

Just answer one question. For the second time. Do you agree with the doctrine of the Trinity as it is accepted by Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox, or do you claim to be instructed directly by Jesus that is different from 2000 years of consistency? On all sides? It's not a trick question. If you oppose the doctrine of the Trinity, then it's easy to prove you are anti-Protestant. That's why you keep evading the question.

I don't borrow anything except what comes from the Bible itself, and when the Lord speaks to my heart I share it.

Then don't rail against infallibility of the Church Jesus founded at the same time claiming it for yourself. That makes no sense.

 

[Ziggy]

Just answer one question. For the second time. Do you agree with the doctrine of the Trinity as it is accepted by Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox, or do you claim to be instructed directly by Jesus that is different from 2000 years of consistency? On all sides? It's not a trick question. If you oppose the doctrine of the Trinity, then it's easy to prove you are anti-Protestant. That's why you keep evading the question.

I'm not actually sure what the doctrine of the trinity is. There are many interpretations.
But this is how I understand it.

When God chose Mary to be the bearer of His Son. God himself put His own spirit within the child.
This Spirit of God is Holy. AKA Holy Spirit.

Because Jesus was born of a woman, He is also Man. He also has the natural spirit of man, that is, in his flesh.
So that Jesus is both Fully God on the Father's side and fully man on the Mother's side.
But what leads him through his ministry is Fully God's Spirit.
Although even so, he is still tempted by the flesh, as we see in the 40 days and nights Satan is tempting him.
I believe Jesus allowed himself to be tried. As a means of overcoming any spirit of the flesh th have dominion over him.

So this trinity as they call it...
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Are all active in the Man Jesus simultaneously.
However the Man Jesus acknowledges that his existence did not come by earthy means, or a natural father.
He acknowledges his birthright as coming from the Father above, even though Jesus as the son of God is fully God's spirit within him.

It is a mystery. But not uncomprehendable.
Because even we ourselves are told that we must be born again in the spirit.
We must leave our natural spirit behind, kill it even, die to self, and be infused with God's spirit.
So then even we ourselves become a part of that trinity as Jesus is.

We are to become Fully filled with the Father's spirit, Become Sons of God, led by the Father's spirit working through us.

Again, I don't know the doctrine of the trinity. I never studied it.
But this is what I believe.

I didn't mean to evade a question on the trinity, I just never saw it. Sorry.
I hope this helps.

Is this the doctrine of the trinity?

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Then don't rail against infallibility of the Church Jesus founded at the same time claiming it for yourself. That makes no sense.

I don't believe the Church is infallible. I believe it is founded on human understanding.
And humans are infalliable.
You say the Catholic Church was founded on Peter. Peter was a man.
I believe God's Church is founded on Jesus alone and his doctrine. And anytime people try to explain it, it can bring in both errors and truth.
No one is infallible accept the Lord himself. And sometimes he shows us things through his word or even life experiences, that we all tend to try to interpret the way it is presented to us.
I don't believe that everything exactly the same happens to every person.
Some understand better than others. Which is why Jesus says: those who have ears to hear let him hear.
It is God alone that opens our ears and our understanding. And I believe he does that on an individual basis.
And then it is up to the individual to share what they've heard or experienced with others.
But not everyone will agree because either they have not heard it the same way or experinced the same thing.
And yet these are the building blocks we all offer to the construction of the building of the Church itself.

In Jerusalem when Jesus was there preaching and performing miracles, there was a certain group who refused to listen.
They believed their way was infallible. They were given the very law from Moses himself.
But something happened from the time they were in the wilderness until the time of Jesus.
They began to lose their faith in God alone and they put their faith in the service they performed to him.
And even the services began to get offcourse. They were picking and choosing which parts of the law should apply or not apply.
They made excuses for their own bad behavior.
Jesus called them hypocrites, because they would preach to the people one thing and yet do something entorely different.
Usually in their own best interest.

Jesus said unless our righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees and Saducees, we are no better than them.
The whole world is full of hypocrites.
In one mouthful we preach love thy enemy, and out the other we hate our enemies.
You can't have both. Because then we become the very thing it is we have been given an escape from... self-righteousness.
Our righteousness comes from God alone. There is nothing we can do to earn it.
When we try to justify ourselves we make God a liar. Which we ourselves are liars, because in God is only truth.
We just don't like to admit it, because we have not fully given ourselves over to an infallible God.
We still cling to our fallible egos.

And there are many denominations that believe their way is the only way.
But in truth, only God's way is the true way.
And we have to listen and learn from Him and His spirit within us. And walk as he shows us to walk.
My spirit shall not always strive with man because he is also flesh.
This God said before the flood of Noah.
They were unwilling to be led by God's Spirit and chose their own ways and their own undersandings.
They built their own churches and their own kingdoms.
And here we are today.

God's church is in your heart and in your mind and in your soul.
And where your treasure is, that's where your heart will be also.

Hugs

 

[Jim B]

The body of Christ dont preach there are many ways to GOD . i wont sit at their table .
And you better not either .
The body of Christ does not sit under the body of darkness .
The leaders in most , i said most , churches have FAILED the people .
THEY have sold out to the lie for unity with darkness and they sit at the table of the mother of darkness , the harlot
and do her fathers will who is the dragon . THIS breaks my heart for them .
But i know What GOD has said and taught , so i wont be unequally yoked .
We must point to Christ , to biblical doctrine . true unity will not overlook truth for unity . ANY UNITY
that does so is not COMING FROM GOD . It coming from he who has always desired to be as GOD . the dragon .

And peter repented . THESE leaders DONT . And once peter was SPIRIT FILLED
he never DENIED CHRIST AGAIN .
HE became a good leader of the Church . Just like paul did , just like james .
THEY all exposed false hoods , sin , error . NOT TODAY , today from these so called leaders
its At the very least , OVER LOOK it and at the worst they HONOR IT . ITS getting worse JIM .
Not better . WORSE under their leadership . The lambs must not partake of that table of their false unity..
\RATHER have UNITY with those who DO LOVE CHRIST who do preach SOUND doctrine
WHO DO correct error in the church . WHO DO all for sakes of their brethren . AND TRUE UNITY
does not overlook the pattern of CHRIST or the apostles for unity . IT DONT take away
from that original pattern for all things . THESE DO . THEY overlook sin , they wont correct certain SINS anyway .
THEY just keep hollering , LOVE AND UNITY . THEY aint gonna make it JIM . I pray they do repent .
But on the path they are on they are in darkness being led to even greater darkness and fast and yet they call it LIGHT .

Obviously you forget that Peter, after he was spirit-filled, was designated as the apostle to the Jews and that Paul called him out for his hypocritical behavior.

The rest of your post is the usual condemnation of the body of Christ. You will have to answer to the Lord for your constant villification of those whom He loves and are part of His body.

You like to set yourself up as some sort of latter-day prophet but that is simply your delusion, created by your false pride of self.

And as usual, your English is abysmal. Why should anyone pay attention when you don't even care enought to communicale clearly?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I reported that post, pleading with the mods to close the thread on the grounds that it's degenerated into another bash-fest. I don't expect any favors, I just want the same protection granted to everybody else on this "Christian" forum.

AMEN to that.

 

[Jim B]

my advice to you is BEWARE the JUDGMENT OF GOD upon those who fail to warn the people
and just allow them to sit under any false leader . GO read revelation and learn a bit my friend .
DOCTRINE MATTERS and so does allowing a false one to teach . GOD was angry at that church
for even allowing , ALLOWING a false one to teach and to seduce the people .

This clearly applies to you, although you are too blind, in your swollen ego and self-righteousness, to see it.