What is the one true Church?

[Illuminator]

No need to testify of your ignorance, already aware.

Your Error, and funny too, since I have shown you this before.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Your Error, funny too, since I have shown you this before.

1 John 1:
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Conception DOES NOT occur in the Womb.
Conception OCCURS in the Upper end of the females Fallopian tubeWhere her SEED is Located. Once the male SEED fertilizes the Female SEED the Fertilized SEED travels to the WOMB and the woman IS PREGNANT which is called Conceived IN her Womb.

Fertilization is a biological term, conception is when God creates a soul.

No SEED traveled up Mary’s Fallopian tube and fertilized her SEED.
Jesus is the Word of God.
Jesus was IN Heaven IN Gods MOUTH.
God Sent FORTH His Word out of His MOUTH, in a body God Prepared, to Mary’s WOMB.

DO YOU NOT READ SCRIPTURE? DID you NOT LEARN, of the DAY God REVEALED to Jesus’ Chosen Disciples .... the REVELATION .... that Jesus IS THE CHRIST? The Messiah the Jews had been WAITING FOR?

You are so busy trying to prove PETER is your rock...you miss the WISDOM that was being REVEALED supernaturally......BECAUSE NONE could answer Jesus QUESTION....OF WHO HE IS.
Hello....JESUS IS the Christ Messiah....

It's the first instance where Peter didn't trip over his shoe laces. Why are you bringing up Peter?

And FURTHER....CHRIST, IS: the power, the wisdom, the SEED of God, the Head, the Body, the ROCK of His Church, which IS BUILT UP ...
Jesus IS the Christ the Son of the Living God.
The SEED of God CERTAINLY DID NOT fertilize a Human woman’s Seed...!!!

You have been told and shown this before! But your carnal mind has the Holy Everlasting God fertilizing His created human woman’s egg...and even to the point you have claimed Jesus IS a Human man and Has Mary’s DNA...
What a load of nonsense.

So God Prepared Jesus a body, and blood, and Jesus walked, and talked, and ate, and slept, and got angry, and talked to His Father in Heaven, and, and, and.....is that what MADE JESUS HUMAN....? Uh NO.

A HUMAN is of dust of the earth.....seriously you think Jesus came out of the dust of the Earth?
Already told you and showed you Jesus is the Word of God that came forth out from Gods MOUTH! Not Gods Created Earth!

A HUMAN being IS a KIND of creature, God created from DUST, and made alive with a SOUL with Gods Breath of Life.

And IF you had READ Scripture you should have LEARNED, God RESTED after all the “very good” THINGS....He created and made.

And IF you had READ Scripture you should have LEARNED, God MADE NOTHING without His Word...(Jesus)....And HIS Power....(Christ)!
(the very same YOU CALL YOU CALL A HUMAN).

A LIE told ONCE or MILLIONS of Times, FOR Centuries is STILL A LIE, no matter How Many Times YOU repeat it!

No I do not subscribe to YOUR centuries long Catholic accredited Lie.

That proves you are anti-Protestant.

FULLY and FULLY.....what kind of ignorant math were you taught?
(Seriously even a Carnal Mind should have challenged that nonsense!)

Human men are Created Terrestrials.
Gods Word was never Created....It was REVEALED!! Duh!
Gods Power was never Created...It was REVEALED!! Duh!

Jesus CAME FORTH OUT FROM GOD...

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Trying to Understand Spiritual things with a Carnal Mind is a FAIL...
That Concept IS ALSO taught in Scripture!

Agreed. Calm down.

 

[Grailhunter]

A revealed truth is not a prescribed doctrine. It is objective truth. It doesn't need a defense because it stands on its own merits, or it's not truth. The Trinity is a revealed truth.

The scriptures speak for themselves the words of man mean nothing. Doctrines have no authority.

Watch out you don't get a spiritual hernia trying to fit God in your box. I could be wrong, but the heresy of Modalism has you confused.

Actually my point is that you cannot but God in a box and heresy is not a scriptural definitive term and like I said it is objective being defined by the perspective of any denomination. And all false beliefs have a history that general comes from men and their doctrines. And the Catholics and Protestants have been calling each other heretics for centuries.

As far as Trinity....it is one of those words that is not in the scriptures and as such should raise a red flag. But that does not mean it is entirely wrong just the man made doctrinal definition is wrong. The Gospels describe God the Father AND God the Son working together. It is amazing how many false beliefs are so important to Christians. Satan is a schemer and the one God formula skews the meaning of a lot of scriptures. Still salvation does not depend on ones beliefs in it either way.

The Lord does not want there to be a separation between Catholics and Protestants. They need to be one, as the Lord is one with His Father in Heaven.

This I obviously agree with.

 

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Fertilization is a biological term,

Fertilization in Scripture is a concept of the ability to become conceived (pregnant). It is a gift, a blessing from God.
Not everyone receives the same gifts, the same blessings from God.

conception is when God creates a soul.

The Form, (body) is Gods Creation.
The Form-ing, (of the body) is Gods Creation.
The Form-ed, (body) is Gods Creation.

Gods Creations are Form-ed,
VIA, Gods Will, Gods Word, Gods Power, Gods Hand.

Gods Making of His Form-ed Creations,
VIA, Gods giving Blessings, Gods giving Gifts, Gods giving Grace.

Created is one thing.
Making is another thing.

Created is bringing what was NOT, into existence.
Making is giving, gifting, blessing, the Created thing.

Body’s are created....from SEEDS.
Gods GIVES A SEED....its own Body, as it Pleases God.
God GIVES BODY.....a SOUL.

Body’s are Created....AND then Made.
Created Body’s are Made...WHEN...
God gives, gifts, blesses, the BODY with a SOUL.
The SOUL, has Gods BREATH OF LIFE.
The CREATED Body, Given a SOUL, with Gods Breath of Life...
MAKES: That Created Body, An ALIVE, Living, Individual PERSON.
* A PERSON is an ALIVE BODY of DUST, WITH A SOUL IN the BODY.

If you LISTEN to each Word of God, step by step, bit by bit, you begin to Understand Gods Order and Way.

God did NOT create a SOUL. (As you SAID).
God CREATED a BODY and Gifted, Gave, Made that body receive, have, be MADE a SOUL.

Gen 2:
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and
man became a living soul.

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Gen 6:
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Isa 43:
[7] Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Isa 57:
[16] For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

Ezek 18:
[4] Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

If you put Gods Word in perspective allocating to each Word what God reveals as His Meaning, you begin to UNDERSTAND, according to Gods Understanding, you can Begin to Speak Gods Word, according to His Intent, rather than mans, blurry vision.

 

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It's the first instance where Peter didn't trip over his shoe laces.

Simon Barjona (son of Jona), was given (by Jesus) the surname Peter.
(Similar to others of the 12 Disciples Jesus chose, were given (by Jesus)
Surnames. Of the 12, two were Named “Simon”, one (Simon Barjona) was given a surname.

Peter, surname, is what we modernly call a Last Name...ie Simon Peter.
The Lord God Almighty....IS THE ROCK, (as Scripture teaches) indicating “HE “IS” THE SOLID NON-SHIFTING Foundation, OF THIS World (Earth) that God CREATED and MADE.

Jesus was gathered together with His 12 disciples, having a conversation with
Them....Asking them WHO the people were saying JESUS (the Son of Man) IS...and the disciples were Answering what they had HEARD the people saying...(Maybe Jesus is this guy or that guy).
Then Jesus ASKS a question to THEM....WHO THEY thought JESUS IS.
* NONE...KNEW the Answer....NONE could SAY.

* UNTIL...God supernaturally GAVE, “SIMON BARJONA” the Answer.
* AFTER...God supernaturally GAVE, “SIMON BARJONA the Answer.
* THEN....Simon Barjona spoke up and GAVE Jesus the Answer to Jesus’ question.

REVIEW...the QUESTION...Whom do YOU (disciples) say that I (Jesus) am?
REVIEW...Gods ANSWER... (given Simon Barjona) Jesus IS THE CHRIST, The Son of the Living God.
REVIEW....Jesus’ RESPONSE to “Simon Barjona’s ANSWER”
REVIEW...Jesus “THEN” called Simon Barjona...the Surname Jesus had Given Simon Barjona....
REVIEW...Jesus “REVEALED” Simon Barjona ....received a BLESSING from God.
Review....Jesus “REVEALED” UPON the KNOWLEDGE of the BLESSING “Simon Barjona” received from God.......IS UPON WHICH JESUS the CHRIST would BUILD HIS CHURCH.

Matt 16:
[13] When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
[14] And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
[15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

*** THIS ROCK...IS: the ANSWER to the QUESTION which Jesus Asked.
*** THIS ROCK....IS: Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
*** JESUS IS CHRIST, the Son of the Living God, IS THE ROCK Foundation of Christ JESUS’ CHURCH.

The name PETER, means stone.
A Stone ... upon Stone .... upon Stone .... upon Stone .... ARE human earthly men becoming ADJOINED as Members of Christ Jesus’ Church, Adding one, Adding another, Adding another, (in the same PARALLEL LIKENESS) as human men BUILD brick and mortar buildings, LAYING a Chief CORNER STONE....
Little by little, bit by bit, step by step, adding stone, brick, mortar, one by one.

Simon Barjona was FIRST of the disciples TO Receive Gods ANSWER to Jesus’ QUESTION.
Simon Barjona was FIRST of the disciples TO Speak the ANSWER from God that Simon Barjona Received.
WHEN....the rest of the disciples HEARD Simon Barjona’s ANSWER...
AND
WHEN....the rest of the disciples HEARD Jesus SAY, Simon Barjona’s ANSWER was given him, FROM GOD.
THEN
the rest of the disciples BELIEVED the answer Simon Barjona, said to Jesus...
THEN
The rest of the disciples Confessed their BELIEF of the answer.
THEN
Were the FIRST MEMBERS of Christ Jesus Church Established ... BUILDING Christs Church of a man, of a man, of a men, one by one...
UPON the ROCK SOLID BELIEF... THAT Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

*** ANY man, one by one, BELIEVING....CONFESSING their true heartful BELIEF....
THAT Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God becomes a MEMBER of Christ Jesus CHURCH...”AS” a stone upon stone Establishing Christ Jesus’ Building of “HIS” Church.

Why are you bringing up Peter?

Peter was brought up TO THE PERSON I was POSTING TO...
For the reason, that that person, has been taught that Peter IS the ROCK of Christ Jesus Church, WHEN CLEARLY ... the Lord IS the ROCK Foundation of His Church....and EVERY MAN Added to Christ Jesus’ Church....
ARE as stone upon stone....ALL Heartfully BELIEVING and CONFESSING their BELIEF... THAT:

“Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God”.

Peter was a human man, that happen to become the First Member of Christ Jesus’ Spiritual Church.

Every man-made Church is a place for ALL people...believers, non-believers, the curious, the eager to Learn about Jesus, about God...can Gather and hear and learn and verify what they hear with Scriptural text....and BELIEVE as their Heart dictates to each Individually.

Every man-made Church, advertising it IS a Christian Church....
IS NOTICE, that Church was ESTABLISHED “UPON” the Principled, Foundational BELIEF...THAT...

JESUS IS THE CHRIST the Son of the Living God.
At any time, any individual can Heartfully hear, learn, believe, Confess his belief .... and the Lord Himself WILL accept that individual as A new Member of “HIS” Church.

* Man-made Churches ACCEPT new members...and ALSO boot out members.
* Christ Jesus CHURCH Accepts new members...and BY HIS POWER...KEEPS ALL of His members with HIM forever.

Stark contrast!

 

[Taken]

That proves you are anti-Protestant.

Over your head.
If I am “ANTI” anything, I will PROVE all doubt by speaking for myself

Agreed. Calm down.

Speaking the Truth with Express Language and Passion is not a comparison of an out of control blathering and need for calming down!

Fascinating how some people have little understanding of the intent and meaning of words and phrases.

 

[BreadOfLife]

First off I always call for unity between Christians. Yeshua both Divine and human.....I personally would not disagree.....still a discussion. Yeshua did not specifically say he was both God and human, not that it was not implied. The general concept is fine, but the exact composition of God is beyond our comprehension. They have made the mistake of attempting to do that before, out of ignorance. The belief that if you do not agree with the unity of the Trinity you are not a Christian of if you do not believe the prescribed doctrine of the nature of God, you are not a Christian, is false and got a lot of people killed and divided Christ's Church.

Who God is? Yahweh said I Am I Am. If we get it down to the nitty gritty a Voodooist can put the "In God I Trust" bumper sticker on their car. God is a designation. Yahweh is a God, Yeshua is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God. Just how connected they are and how they are connected is a matter of debate...I can show over a hundred examples of the scriptures that indicate they are not entirely "one" as we comprehend "one." For example Yahweh knew something that Yeshua did not....can they be one? If Yahweh said, The Father is greater than I, can they be one? If one has authority over the other, can they be one? Still who can define the connection? If you see Me, you have seen the Father or no one has seen the Father....still room for debate. But either understanding or belief does not make you a Christian or not a Christian.

Heresy is a non-scriptural ambiguous term and is defined by the perspective of different denominations or churches. The real question is what are false beliefs? What is false in respect to the scriptures with no consideration or connections to doctrines written by men.

The belief that if you do not believe what I believe, means that you are not a Christian is false. The study of false beliefs is rather extensive. I recommend that all Christians dive into that topic....prepared to be shocked.

I ALSO desire unity among Christians.

However, you cannot be a Christian when you reject the very tenets of Christianity itself. Non-Trinitarians have invented their own god that is different from the God of Scripture. And those who deny the Incarnation are no better off.

It would be NO different than a person claiming to be Muslim who rejects the idea that Mohammed was an inspired prophet.

You cannot play fast and loose with the truths of God simply to “make friends”.
Jesus never compromised the truth and neither should we,

 

[BreadOfLife]

No need to testify of your ignorance, already aware.

Your Error, and funny too, since I have shown you this before.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Your Error, funny too, since I have shown you this before.

1 John 1:
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

And because YOU don’t understand the language of Scripture – you have invented your own perverse doctrines.

I’ve got news for you, Einstein - God “Prepared” YOUR body as well. He “Prepared“ every single person’s body who ever lived. That is a Scriptural way of saying that He CREATED us.

Psalm 139 states explicitly that God “knit me together in my mother's womb”.
According to YOUR idiotic understanding - YOU actually believe that God sat there with knitting needles sewing people together? Your wooden, literalistic understanding of Scripture is at the CORE of your confusion.

His blood – His HUMAN blood was shed for our sins,

Conception DOES NOT occur in the Womb.
Conception OCCURS in the Upper end of the females Fallopian tubeWhere her SEED is Located. Once the male SEED fertilizes the Female SEED the Fertilized SEED travels to the WOMB and the woman IS PREGNANT which is called Conceived IN her Womb.

No SEED traveled up Mary’s Fallopian tube and fertilized her SEED.
Jesus is the Word of God.
Jesus was IN Heaven IN Gods MOUTH.
God Sent FORTH His Word out of His MOUTH, in a body God Prepared, to Mary’s WOMB.

DO YOU NOT READ SCRIPTURE? DID you NOT LEARN, of the DAY God REVEALED to Jesus’ Chosen Disciples .... the REVELATION .... that Jesus IS THE CHRIST? The Messiah the Jews had been WAITING FOR?

You are so busy trying to prove PETER is your rock...you miss the WISDOM that was being REVEALED supernaturally......BECAUSE NONE could answer Jesus QUESTION....OF WHO HE IS.
Hello....JESUS IS the Christ Messiah....

And FURTHER....CHRIST, IS: the power, the wisdom, the SEED of God, the Head, the Body, the ROCK of His Church, which IS BUILT UP ...
Jesus IS the Christ the Son of the Living God.
The SEED of God CERTAINLY DID NOT fertilize a Human woman’s Seed...!!!

You have been told and shown this before! But your carnal mind has the Holy Everlasting God fertilizing His created human woman’s egg...and even to the point you have claimed Jesus IS a Human man and Has Mary’s DNA...
What a load of nonsense.

Ignorant HOGWASH, as usual.

Luke 1:31 states explicitly that MARY conceived the child inside of HER body.
Luke 1:31 KJV
And, behold, THOU CHALT CONCEIVE IN THY WOMB and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Soooo, because it doesn’t discuss Mary’s fallopian tubes – YOU have deemed the Word of God null and void.
Your astounding arrogance is matched ONLY by your incredible ignorance . . .

 

[Taken]

I ALSO desire unity among Christians.

However, you cannot be a Christian when you reject the very tenets of Christianity itself. Non-Trinitarians have invented their own god that is different from the God of Scripture. And those who deny the Incarnation are no better off.

It would be NO different than a person claiming to be Muslim who rejects the idea that Mohammed was an inspired prophet.

You cannot play fast and loose with the truths of God simply to “make friends”.
Jesus never compromised the truth and neither should we,

To BELIEVE Gods Truth, you must first KNOW Gods Truth.
A Christian IS a follower of Christ.

Many men belief IN Jesus, which is to say, they Believe JESUS, was a Prophet...and which is to say they Believe JESUS was the SON of God.

However NOT ALL men...(for numerous reasons), DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus IS the MESSIAH, the Christ.

NOT all men...includes both JEWS and GENTILES.
Many Jews believe IN Jesus, but that He was NOT the Messiah God Promised.
They EXPECTED, a KING, a KINGDOM, a Royal wealthy Messiah with a Powerful armed ARMY, to arrive and GUARD and DEFEND them and their city, their nation, FROM HARM of any other People and Nations.
...Well that didn’t happen as THEY expected.

HOWEVER there ARE messianic Jews, WHO DO BELIEVE IN JESUS, and WHO DO BELIEVE He is the Promised Christ Messiah.
AND they have NOT adopted a Gentiles Term of calling themselves a “Christian”...rather electing their own Term...Messianic Jew.

The TRINITY is a concept, a Term that means “3 united as one”.
If one does not comprehend WHAT 3 things are united as one...and one what?
The term TRINITY makes no sense to them, and is rejected.

TRI- 3
U-NITY- united

Three what? The unknowing will PRESUME...THREE “Gods”...which makes no sense.
The THREE is .. WORD, WILL, POWER...
One is ONE GOD...who IS His Word, His WILL, His POWER.

* His WORD...is repeatedly mention in scripture, BY NAMES, Descriptions, Titles
* His WILL..is repeatedly mentioned in scripture, BY Names, descriptions, Titles.
* His POWER...is repeatedly mentioned in scripture, BY Names, Descriptions, Titles.

Going through ALL the Books, Chapters, Verses in Scripture...and REACHING the Last Book...is revealed a CONCISE TITLE, of all the names, descriptions, titles....regarding the ONE God’s WORD, WILL, POWER...which IS the meaning of the word TRINITY...3 (word, will, power) united...One God.

WORD......Lord
WILL........God
POWER....Almighty

Rev 4:8 Lord God Almighty
Rev 11:17 Lord God Almighty
Rev 15:3 Lord God Almighty
Rev 16:7 Lord God Almighty
Rev 21:22 Lord God Almighty

Everything Created and Made...was in agreement and by, through, of:
One Gods...Word, Will, Power...

Simple when in context and perspective.

 

[BreadOfLife]

To BELIEVE Gods Truth, you must first KNOW Gods Truth.
A Christian IS a follower of Christ.

Many men belief IN Jesus, which is to say, they Believe JESUS, was a Prophet...and which is to say they Believe JESUS was the SON of God.

However NOT ALL men...(for numerous reasons), DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus IS the MESSIAH, the Christ.

NOT all men...includes both JEWS and GENTILES.
Many Jews believe IN Jesus, but that He was NOT the Messiah God Promised.
They EXPECTED, a KING, a KINGDOM, a Royal wealthy Messiah with a Powerful armed ARMY, to arrive and GUARD and DEFEND them and their city, their nation, FROM HARM of any other People and Nations.
...Well that didn’t happen as THEY expected.

HOWEVER there ARE messianic Jews, WHO DO BELIEVE IN JESUS, and WHO DO BELIEVE He is the Promised Christ Messiah.
AND they have NOT adopted a Gentiles Term of calling themselves a “Christian”...rather electing their own Term...Messianic Jew.

The TRINITY is a concept, a Term that means “3 united as one”.
If one does not comprehend WHAT 3 things are united as one...and one what?
The term TRINITY makes no sense to them, and is rejected.

TRI- 3
U-NITY- united

Three what? The unknowing will PRESUME...THREE “Gods”...which makes no sense.
The THREE is .. WORD, WILL, POWER...
One is ONE GOD...who IS His Word, His WILL, His POWER.

* His WORD...is repeatedly mention in scripture, BY NAMES, Descriptions, Titles
* His WILL..is repeatedly mentioned in scripture, BY Names, descriptions, Titles.
* His POWER...is repeatedly mentioned in scripture, BY Names, Descriptions, Titles.

Going through ALL the Books, Chapters, Verses in Scripture...and REACHING the Last Book...is revealed a CONCISE TITLE, of all the names, descriptions, titles....regarding the ONE God’s WORD, WILL, POWER...which IS the meaning of the word TRINITY...3 (word, will, power) united...One God.

WORD......Lord
WILL........God
POWER....Almighty

Rev 4:8 Lord God Almighty
Rev 11:17 Lord God Almighty
Rev 15:3 Lord God Almighty
Rev 16:7 Lord God Almighty
Rev 21:22 Lord God Almighty

Everything Created and Made...was in agreement and by, through, of:
One Gods...Word, Will, Power...

Simple when in context and perspective.

Another long-winded attempt to dissect God.
However – you never addressed your own personal denial of the very nature of God.

God is:
The Father.
The Son
The Holy Spirit

The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son.
You cannot be a Christian if you deny that ANY of them are God.

The Son unites to Himself TWP natures – fully Hum and fully Divine. To deny this is to deny Christ.

Period.

 

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And because YOU don’t understand the language of Scripture – you have invented your own perverse doctrines.

I’ve got news for you, Einstein - God “Prepared” YOUR body as well. He “Prepared“ every single person’s body who ever lived. That is a Scriptural way of saying that He CREATED us.

No...
Created is establishing what did not exist.
Making is gifting the established thing...blessing, gifts.
Preparing is a gift given WILLING men, Gods Gift of His seed (baptism of the HS).

YOU FAIL to consider or follow Gods ORDER and WAY...bit by bit.
You fail to consider Jesus’ Teaching....LEARN LIKE A CHILD, bit by bit.
You take advantage of KNOWING the END of the BOOK, and thus SKIM past each important bit by bit....and you miss out on the facts.

You are like a person who has read a books, watched a movie, and think yourself a expert to teach another WHAT you consider relevant, skipping over important facts.

Psalm 139 states explicitly that God “knit me together in my mother's womb”.
According to YOUR idiotic understanding - YOU actually believe that God sat there with knitting needles sewing people together? Your wooden, literalistic understanding of Scripture is at the CORE of your confusion.

You are the confused one.
You make up a LIE, than say that is my Belief.
That is you making yourself a LIAR.
I never said anything so STUPID, as you said, “God was using knitting needles to sew people together”....

Anyone with an ounce of gray matter, SHOULD KNOW the difference between A SPIRIT CREATOR (without a beginning) COULD NOT become A CREATED BEING WITH A BEGINNING!
Nor WOULD a BELIEVER IN a Spiritual Creator (without a beginning) REDUCE THE CREATOR in any way, shape or form....to a CREATED BEING...

Your problem is having fallen for a load of nonsense, and not mature enough to admit you have FOR YEARS been duped.

You should take Jesus’ advice and learn as a child, bit by bit, instead of pretending Preaching the Creator without a beginning, Created Himself With a beginning... Ludicious!

His blood – His HUMAN blood was shed for our sins,

Your HUMAN God...is but your Church taught fantasy.

Ignorant HOGWASH, as usual.

Luke 1:31 states explicitly that MARY conceived the child inside of HER body.

SHOCKING....pregnancies are inside a womb of a female...

IN HUMANS...the CONCEPTION begins with SEXUAL Intercourse, the male seed is released during sexual intercourse and travels to the females seed and fertilizes HER SEED....and WHEN the fertilized seed TRAVELS to the females WOMB....she is called Pregnant...or in scriptural lingo...CONCEIVED!

So you THINK that is what God DID? Sexually, Secretly, Mysteriously had INTERCOURSE with MARY and Gods SEED traveled to MARYS SEED and fertalized HER SEED, and her seed then traveled down to her Womb and she became PREGNANT...(Conceived)?

LOL...well?

 

[Taken]

Another long-winded attempt to dissect God.
However – you never addressed your own personal denial of the very nature of God.

How Ignorant!
I have expressly stated my STANDING in and with the Lord God...
How ignorant of you to have an EXPECTATION for me to make ANY DENIAL of God...

God is:
The Father.
The Son
The Holy Spirit

PERIOD...

The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son.
You cannot be a Christian if you deny that ANY of them are God.

The Son unites to Himself TWP natures – fully Hum and fully Divine. To deny this is to deny Christ.

Period.

FALSE CATHOLIC TEACHING.
NOT ONE SCRIPTURE supports your teaching and wayward diagram of your suppose shield of faith .

“Father is not...Son is not...Holy Spirit is not.”
“Not, Not, Not”...are YOUR Denials...you own them, you are accounted to your own denials.

Father IS, Son IS, Holy Sprit IS...ONE GOD! PERIOD!

 

[Grailhunter]

Non-Trinitarians have invented their own god that is different from the God of Scripture

It depends. Some see the one God formula as an invention because it does not agree with the scriptures. Like I said I have over a hundred scriptural reasons that indicate that the one God formula is false. Any why discussion of the Trinity are not welcome on this forum so we have to be careful. Which is crazy but whatever.
Yahweh, God the Father, God Almighty Creator of Heaven and Earth as according to the Apostle's Creed.
Yeshua, God the Son, born God and Man, Savior, Messiah.....
Holy Spirit, the God that was not named....teacher, helper, nurturer, guide, etc

And agreeing with your estimation.

The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son.
You cannot be a Christian if you deny that ANY of them are God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No...
Created is establishing what did not exist.
Making is gifting the established thing...blessing, gifts.
Preparing is a gift given WILLING men, Gods Gift of His seed (baptism of the HS).

YOU FAIL to consider or follow Gods ORDER and WAY...bit by bit.
You fail to consider Jesus’ Teaching....LEARN LIKE A CHILD, bit by bit.
You take advantage of KNOWING the END of the BOOK, and thus SKIM past each important bit by bit....and you miss out on the facts.

You are like a person who has read a books, watched a movie, and think yourself a expert to teach another WHAT you consider relevant, skipping over important facts.

Einstein -
Jesus FLESH did not exist prior to the Incarnation (Luke 1:31).
It was CREATED by God in Mary using HER Body.

Jesus was not “hatched”.
Jesus did not suddenly “appear”.
He was CONCEIVED (created) in Mary, His mother by the power of God.

You are the confused one.
You make up a LIE, than say that is my Belief.
That is you making yourself a LIAR.
I never said anything so STUPID, as you said, “God was using knitting needles to sew people together”....

Anyone with an ounce of gray matter, SHOULD KNOW the difference between A SPIRIT CREATOR (without a beginning) COULD NOT become A CREATED BEING WITH A BEGINNING!
Nor WOULD a BELIEVER IN a Spiritual Creator (without a beginning) REDUCE THE CREATOR in any way, shape or form....to a CREATED BEING...

Your problem is having fallen for a load of nonsense, and not mature enough to admit you have FOR YEARS been duped.

You should take Jesus’ advice and learn as a child, bit by bit, instead of pretending Preaching the Creator without a beginning, Created Himself With a beginning... Ludicious!

Your HUMAN God...is but your Church taught fantasy.

SHOCKING....pregnancies are inside a womb of a female...

IN HUMANS...the CONCEPTION begins with SEXUAL Intercourse, the male seed is released during sexual intercourse and travels to the females seed and fertilizes HER SEED....and WHEN the fertilized seed TRAVELS to the females WOMB....she is called Pregnant...or in scriptural lingo...CONCEIVED!

So you THINK that is what God DID? Sexually, Secretly, Mysteriously had INTERCOURSE with MARY and Gods SEED traveled to MARYS SEED and fertalized HER SEED, and her seed then traveled down to her Womb and she became PREGNANT...(Conceived)?

LOL...well?

The problem is that YOUR pathetic little god that you’ve invented cannot impregnate a woman without having intercourse with her.

The Almighty God of Scripture only has to WILL for it to happen.
The bible clearly says that Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit and conceived. (Luke 1:L35).

 

[BreadOfLife]

How Ignorant!
I have expressly stated my STANDING in and with the Lord God...
How ignorant of you to have an EXPECTATION for me to make ANY DENIAL of God...


PERIOD...

FALSE CATHOLIC TEACHING.
NOT ONE SCRIPTURE supports your teaching and wayward diagram of your suppose shield of faith .

“Father is not...Son is not...Holy Spirit is not.”
“Not, Not, Not”...are YOUR Denials...you own them, you are accounted to your own denials.

Father IS, Son IS, Holy Sprit IS...ONE GOD! PERIOD!

ONE God manifested in THRE distinct Persons.
That is the most basic tenet of Christianity, son . . .
(Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4)

 

[Illuminator]

ONE God manifested in THRE distinct Persons.
That is the most basic tenet of Christianity, son . . .
(Gen. 1:26, Matt. 28:19, John 15:26, 1 Cor. 12:4-6, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 5:7, Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, Isa. 63:16, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13, Isa. 7:14, Isa. 9:6, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 15:9, John 20:28, Acts 5:3-4, 2 Cor. 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Tit. 2:13, John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4)

I think the problem here is that Taken is a Modalist.

The early Christians were quick to spot new heresies. In the third century, Sabellius, a Libyan priest who was staying at Rome, invented a new one. He claimed there is only one person in the Godhead, so that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one person with different “offices,” rather than three persons who are one being in the Godhead, as the orthodox position holds.

Of course, people immediately recognized that Sabellius’s teaching contradicted the historic faith of the Church, and he was quickly excommunicated. His heresy became known as Sabellianism, Modalism, and Patripassianism.

• It was called Sabellianism after its founder,
• Modalism after the three modes or roles which it claimed the one person of the Trinity occupied, and
• Patripassianism after its implication that the person of the Father (Pater-) suffered (-passion) on the cross when Jesus died.

Because Modalism asserts that there is only one person in the Godhead, it makes nonsense of passages which show Jesus talking to his Father (e.g., John 17), or declaring he is going to be with the Father (John 14:12, 28; 16:10) One role of a person cannot go to be with another role of that person, or say that the two of them will send the Holy Spirit while they remain in heaven (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26, 16:13–15; Acts 2:32–33).
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[BreadOfLife]

I think the problem here is that Taken is a Modalist.

The early Christians were quick to spot new heresies. In the third century, Sabellius, a Libyan priest who was staying at Rome, invented a new one. He claimed there is only one person in the Godhead, so that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one person with different “offices,” rather than three persons who are one being in the Godhead, as the orthodox position holds.

Of course, people immediately recognized that Sabellius’s teaching contradicted the historic faith of the Church, and he was quickly excommunicated. His heresy became known as Sabellianism, Modalism, and Patripassianism.

• It was called Sabellianism after its founder,
• Modalism after the three modes or roles which it claimed the one person of the Trinity occupied, and
• Patripassianism after its implication that the person of the Father (Pater-) suffered (-passion) on the cross when Jesus died.

Because Modalism asserts that there is only one person in the Godhead, it makes nonsense of passages which show Jesus talking to his Father (e.g., John 17), or declaring he is going to be with the Father (John 14:12, 28; 16:10) One role of a person cannot go to be with another role of that person, or say that the two of them will send the Holy Spirit while they remain in heaven (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26, 16:13–15; Acts 2:32–33).
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Yes, I’m familiar with Saballius/Modalism - and that’s the point.
It is NOT Christianity. It’s something alright – but not Christianity – anymore than Arianism or Pelagianism or Gnosticism or any other heresy.

As I said before – the truths of God are not playthings and are not to be manipulated for our own desires. God doesn’t “compromise” or make deals.
Either you have faith in His truth – or you don’t . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think the problem here is that Taken is a Modalist.

The early Christians were quick to spot new heresies. In the third century, Sabellius, a Libyan priest who was staying at Rome, invented a new one. He claimed there is only one person in the Godhead, so that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one person with different “offices,” rather than three persons who are one being in the Godhead, as the orthodox position holds.

Of course, people immediately recognized that Sabellius’s teaching contradicted the historic faith of the Church, and he was quickly excommunicated. His heresy became known as Sabellianism, Modalism, and Patripassianism.

• It was called Sabellianism after its founder,
• Modalism after the three modes or roles which it claimed the one person of the Trinity occupied, and
• Patripassianism after its implication that the person of the Father (Pater-) suffered (-passion) on the cross when Jesus died.

Because Modalism asserts that there is only one person in the Godhead, it makes nonsense of passages which show Jesus talking to his Father (e.g., John 17), or declaring he is going to be with the Father (John 14:12, 28; 16:10) One role of a person cannot go to be with another role of that person, or say that the two of them will send the Holy Spirit while they remain in heaven (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26, 16:13–15; Acts 2:32–33).
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It's funny-
In my personal life, my Protestant friends and family members and I spend more time celebrating the things we have in common in Christ.
When I come here, however – it’s usually to expose n anti-Catholic lie or to set the record straight because somebody is misrepresenting Catholic teaching.

I much prefer the former to the latter.

 

[Illuminator]

It's funny-
In my personal life, my Protestant friends and family members and I spend more time celebrating the things we have in common in Christ.
When I come here, however – it’s usually to expose n anti-Catholic lie or to set the record straight because somebody is misrepresenting Catholic teaching.

I much prefer the former to the latter.

What's worse than misrepresenting Catholic teaching is trying to discredit Catholicism using re-packaged heresies that attacked the identity of Christ in the first 5 centuries. Same poop, different toilet.

 

[BreadOfLife]

What's worse than misrepresenting Catholic teaching is trying to discredit Catholicism using re-packaged heresies that attacked the identity of Christ in the first 5 centuries. Same poop, different toilet.

Yup!

 

[Marymog]

The fact that i do know Truth from error means i have the Mind of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

All who do not follow the words of God spoken thru His Son, the OT Prophets and the Apostles are not part of the One True Church.
God's Church cannot be seen or built by men's hands.
God's Church is Christ and is built upon the Rock of Salvation with the OT Prophets and Apostles built upon that ROCK.

The completed One True Church is made from "Living Stones" = these Living Stones have been Born-Again by the Word.

Why do you reject the words of Christ and the Apostles, most especially the Apostle Peter?

"Follow the words of God" according to who? YOU? never mind...I just realized that you affirmed that YOU know Truth from error because YOU have the mind of Christ and the Holy Spirit.