What is the one true Church?

[David in NJ]

No – YOU need to stop perverting Scripture by saying that babies DO sin. Babies don’t possess the faculties to sin, which requires knowledge that something is sinful and consent to commit the sin.

The “ALL have sinned” in Romans 3 - where it also says that there is “NONE righteous” - is a reference to Psalm 14, where it says:

Psalm 15:1-4
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
2
The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.
3
All have turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one.
4
Will evildoers never learn-- those who devour my people as men eat bread and who do not call on the LORD?

But WAIT – what does verse 5 say??

Verse 5
There they are, overwhelmed with dread, for God is present in the company of the righteous.

Gee – I thought there was “NONE” righteous??

This is a textbook example of how most Protestants don’t understand Scripture and the inclusive language it uses.

the Righteous are those whom the FATHER called out from the world
BUT - you do not understand His Word

 

[BreadOfLife]

Someone needs to change their name from bread of life to bread of rome . and yeah its a bor as in boring to the soul
to have to hear it . LET US POINT TO CHRIST , HE IS THE JOY and HOPE of the LAMBS THE TRUE BREAD OF LIFE .

And with the amount lying that YOU do on this forum - maybe "Amigo de Satan" would be a better moniker for YOU . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

the Righteous are those whom the FATHER called out from the world
BUT - you do not understand His Word

That’s just it – you CAN’T have it BOTH ways in your wooden, literal Protestant understanding.
Either there are SOME righteous or there aren’t . . .

 

[Webers_Home]

.
FAQ: How is it possible for a man biologically descended from Adam to be
God? Wouldn't that imply God created Himself?

REPLY: Actually it implies God created a human for Himself for a special
purpose.

Jesus and God are two distinctly different forms of life: the one is an eternal
spirit being whose origin is currently unknown, whereas Jesus was born a
temporal material being whose origin is the self-same dust used to construct
Adam. (post No. 331)

The thing is: when the Word of John 1:1 came into the world as the flesh of
John 1:14, he checked his deity at the door, so to speak, so that Jesus didn't
come into the world as God, rather he came as a man subservient to God.

FAQ: Then why do Christians go about advertising Jesus is God?

REPLY: Jesus obtained the rank of God by means of a special promotion (Phil
2:9-11) which was actually predicted to some extent in the Old Testament;
so God didn't spring this on the Jews like an unexpected surprise out of the
blue. (Ps 45:6-7, Dan 7:13-14, Isa 52:13, Isa 53:12)
_

 

[David in NJ]

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FAQ: How is it possible for a man biologically descended from Adam to be
God? Wouldn't that imply God created Himself?

REPLY: Actually it implies God created a human for Himself for a special
purpose.

Jesus and God are two distinctly different forms of life: the one is an eternal
spirit being whose origin is currently unknown, whereas Jesus was born a
temporal material being whose origin is the self-same dust used to construct
Adam. (post No. 331)

The thing is: when the Word of John 1:1 came into the world as the flesh of
John 1:14, he checked his deity at the door, so to speak, so that Jesus didn't
come into the world as God, rather he came as a man subservient to God.

FAQ: Then why do Christians go about advertising Jesus is God?

REPLY: Jesus obtained the rank of God by means of a special promotion (Phil
2:9-11) which was actually predicted to some extent in the Old Testament;
so God didn't spring this on the Jews like an unexpected surprise out of the
blue. (Ps 45:6-7, Dan 7:13-14, Isa 52:13, Isa 53:12)
_

a little tweeking is needed here

Before the LORD came to earth in the form of a man - HE was(and still IS = the WORD)

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God - John ch1

the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us....John ch1

YESHUA said "before Abraham IAM" ...................and upon hearing this they picked up stones to stone Him

the WORD humbled Himself as a man and servant unto the FATHER for the predetermined Counsel that ELOHIM(The3) agreed upon for us.

 

[Webers_Home]

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a little tweeking is needed here

Oh gawd, here they come: the muddy waters.
_

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

The following verses state explicitly that Jesus, who is God is also a HUMAN BEING (Acts 2:22, Acts 2:23, Acts 17:31, 1 Tim. 2:5, Rom. 5:15).

The Greek word for “man” used in these verses is "Anthropops".
"Anthropops" means “a human being", whether male or female, generically, to include all human individuals, to distinguish man from beings of a different race or order.”

YOUR belief that Jesus ISN’T a human being is unbiblical and outright heresy.

He was not “implanted” in Mary who later “hatched” Him. He was conceived in HER womb (Luke 1:31) by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit.

What an asinine and Scripturally-Bankrupt statement.
Regarding the culpability for sin - Jesus Himself stated:

John 9:41
Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.. . .

Newborn babies are NO MORE capable of committing sin than a piece of toast . . .

Height of Spiritual ignorance...SIN is not LIMITED to Committing a sinful ACT. SIN IS disbelief. Yes, Human babies are born IN SIN.



Height of Spiritual ignorance...to not know the DIFFERENCE between A Celestial man and Terrestrial man.

Height of Spiritual ignorance...to not know the DIFFERENCE between A Celestial man and Terrestrial man.

God revealed in a HUMAN MANS LIKENESS did not BECOME a HUMAN MAN, any more than a HUMAN MAN becoming In Gods LIKENESS is a Human man Becoming God....
Jesus is not a Human man procreated from the dust of the Earth....or as you have falsely said, WITH Mary’s seed..and Human DNA..
^ pffff

God purposed IN.........HIMSELF.......and PREPARED a BODY for when He would come into this World.

God FORMS the BODY’S of Human men....Terrestrial, Earthly men.

Are you still ignorant of the DIFFERENCE between “PREPARED and FORMED and LIKENESS and IS and AS?”

 

[David in NJ]

You threw the literal mud in the Water with your post #345

 

[Taken]

And with the amount lying that YOU do on this forum - maybe "Amigo de Satan" would be a better moniker for YOU . . .

Snarking Name Calling and False Accusations do not validate your own position, it merely reveals your personality trait, repetitively noticed, old, boring, and nauseatingly unbecoming.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Height of Spiritual ignorance...to not know the DIFFERENCE between A Celestial man and Terrestrial man.

Height of Spiritual ignorance...to not know the DIFFERENCE between A Celestial man and Terrestrial man.

You’re repeating yourself, Einstein . . .

Height of Spiritual ignorance...SIN is not LIMITED to Committing a sinful ACT. SIN IS disbelief. Yes, Human babies are born IN SIN.God revealed in a HUMAN MANS LIKENESS did not BECOME a HUMAN MAN, any more than a HUMAN MAN becoming In Gods LIKENESS is a Human man Becoming God....
Jesus is not a Human man procreated from the dust of the Earth....or as you have falsely said, WITH Mary’s seed..and Human DNA..
^ pffff

God purposed IN.........HIMSELF.......and PREPARED a BODY for when He would come into this World.

God FORMS the BODY’S of Human men....Terrestrial, Earthly men.

Are you still ignorant of the DIFFERENCE between “PREPARED and FORMED and LIKENESS and IS and AS?”

WRONG on ALL counts.

Jesus called Himself the “Son of MAN”.(Matt. 9:6, Luke 5:24, Mark 8:31).

John 1:14
“and the Word became FLESH

Ummmmm, besides the animal kingdom, who else besides humans have “Flesh”??

Heb. 2:14
Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise PARTOOK OF THE SAME THINGS, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

You LOSE . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Snarking Name Calling and False Accusations do not validate your own position, it merely reveals your personality trait, repetitively noticed, old, boring, and nauseatingly unbecoming.

And in your incredible hypocrisy - you're okay with people calling ME names, as in post #339.

 

[Taken]

.
FAQ: How is it possible for a man biologically descended from Adam to be
God? Wouldn't that imply God created Himself?

REPLY: Actually it implies God created a human for Himself for a special
purpose.

No implication needed.

Everlasting, without Beginning Creator and Maker Lord God Almighty, IS a Spirit
and Created and Made spirits, typically called Angels, Celestial men.
and Created and Made kinds of Creatures, typically called Terrestrial men, Terrestrial animals.

It is NOT a mystery, “created spirits have the power and CAN appear IN the “LIKENESS” AS: Terrestrial Kinds of Creatures.

A Terrestrial man can have an encounter with a Celestial man in the LIKENESS as a Terrestrial man, and be completely unaware it is a Celestial man who has used his power to appear as a Terrestrial man.

Heb 13:
[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Study of Scripture reveals God gave man Visions to teach them About God...little by little, bit by bit. The men taught other men. It worked fairly well at first, men with visions teaching men within their family and clans.
Clans increased in size, population increases, and men began to challenge...
Why didn’t everyone have Visions, Who is this invisible God, They wanted to SEE to believe.

Review...God taught listen to the Foretelling, Wait to SEE if it comes to pass.
Not quick enough. Clans grew weary of an invisible God/Ruler/King...they wanted what they SAW other men doing....Having a Earthly Terrestrial King.
They were Warned of the negative consequences, but demanded, and God who is JUST to give people what they ask for....an Earthly King. And from That day to This...
Terrestrial Men, kings, nations, kingdoms have be ruled OVER, killed, oppressed, Terrestrial Men.

An interim, a NEW Testament, a BETTER Testament, an ASSURANCE for every individual (regardless of their governing Terrestrial king, their governing kingdom (nation)....they can ELECT, Freely Choose, to Accept Gods Offering to Invisibly Choose HIM, according to His Order and Way.

God in Heaven SENT forth to Earth.....His Word, that came forth out of Gods Mouth...as prophesied. Isa 55:11

His Word, God Himself, purposed in himself, prepared himself a body in the likeness as a JEWISH man, sending his Faithful Word, to Jewish men, for them to SEE, (as God Promised them, the Hebrews/Tribes/Israel, they would SEE.)

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

It’s a matter, SINCE created spirits can take upon themselves the LIKENESS AS a man.....Can NOT God, who IS Supreme POWER do the SAME to fulfill His Promise?

My answer is YES, of course. Even a created spirit’s power, while great, is only as great as what measure of power, God gives to that created spirit.

Terrestrial men a have measure of lesser power. Muscles, some have more than others/ Strength, some have more than others. Wealth and Power influence, more than others.
Talents, Abilities? sure.
Have you seen men tatted, teeth filed, horn implants to appear in the LOOK of an animal kind of creature? Or a man who has surgical procedures to appear in the LOOK of a female? Under their outside LOOK, on the INSIDE, they are not changed.
Have you ever seen an ADULT man get down on the floor at the height of a 3 year old and behave in the manner of a 3 yr old...talking silly, playing with toddler toys. Is that ADULT appearing in the LOOK and Behavior of a 3 yr old, no longer an ADULT man on the Inside? No.

God appearing to Terrestrial men in a LIKENESS they could SEE, and HEAR, and TOUCH, and SMELL, changed NOTHING of Gods internal spiritual essence.

God fulfilled His Promise ... and offered men an Opportunity to become MADE in Gods LIKENESS, “IF” they so DESIRED”. and the Precise Order and Way to Accomplish that DESIRE....and the MYSTERY....
An ACCEPTING individual....nor ANYONE else....shall SEE Gods “INSIDE” re-MAKING of that individual
* The individual and others MAY SEE the “results” of a different behavior.

“IF” <—-> (CAVEAT) you have chosen to take advantage of Gods Offered Opportunity, according to His Order and Way, you nor any other man can peer into YOUR re-MADE spiritual INSIDE...God Having MADE, your SOUL, your SPIRIT....in His LIKENESS.
(And your BODY....in Gods LIKENESS ?...that revealing shall come much LATER.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You’re repeating yourself, Einstein . . .

Ya...learned that from Jesus impressing an important point. Jesus simply said Verily, Verily....but doubted you would understand.

WRONG on ALL counts.

Jesus called Himself the “Son of MAN”.(Matt. 9:6, Luke 5:24, Mark 8:31).

John 1:14
“and the Word became FLESH

Ummmmm, besides the animal kingdom, who else besides humans have “Flesh”??

Sure Jesus was called the “Son of Man”...not all men, not you. Rather a Jewish man, a particular Jewish man, OF the House of David, OF the line of Abraham....I will presume you are too immature to know the significance.

Flesh is not the KEY word. BODY is the KEY word.
Your dependence upon your gray matter to understand spiritual things, is your downfall. Your snarky personality simply plants a big ewee on your ignorance.

Heb. 2:14
Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise PARTOOK OF THE SAME THINGS, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

SHOCKING, SHOCKING, SHOCKING....
BLOOD is the life of a Terrestrial man.
God PREPARED a BODY (to Offer FOR a willing mans Corrupt Body)
God PREPARED a Body with PURE BLOOD (to OFFER FOR a willing mans FORGIVENESS of his SIN of natural Birth and all Committed Sins, (Committed BEFORE knowing of and knowing God) <—-> and agree with you.... probably Does not apply to you.

You LOSE . . .

I lose in your small gray matter Understanding...
NEWSFLASH...your lack of Spiritual knowledge and Spiritual Understanding ....
has a big fat ZERO to do with my Spiritual Relationship with the Lord God Almighty.

So be off with you....go put your sticker on your “I won” poster board.

 

[Taken]

And in your incredible hypocrisy - you're okay with people calling ME names, as in post #339.

Sure. Truth is Truth.

 

[Grailhunter]

@amigo de christo @BreadOfLife

LOL Ya know if I did not find some humor in all this it would definitely drive me nutz. This is one of many reasons why there is no one true church. Two good Christians arguing over false beliefs. Multiply that by 2000 years and millions of millions of people. No surprise that they could not get it right.

Take note; As I said, the false beliefs are what most Christians hold the most near and dear, standing ready to fight over any challenge to these cherished false beliefs. Do we discuss how to better apply Christianity to our lives and our community? Do we discuss how we could show more unity between denominations? How many of them are the same? The only thing they have in common is a warehouse full of false beliefs and misunderstandings. People in glass houses should not throw stones. What do we have in common? We love Christ and are suppose to be His followers....to follow....what does that mean?

Debating in good faith and character can produce positive results. Ya want to debate the existence of Purgatory, the doctrine of Original Sin, the Trinity....fine....lay out the proof. But because there will be no tangible proof recognize the validity of personal beliefs and that Christians can stand together even if they have different beliefs.....because they love Christ.

Now I apologize if it sounds like I am getting on a soap box because those that know me know I can get rough at times. But that is usually regarding evil teachings that can lead others to hell. For example the discussion on speaking in tongues....some believe and some do not, but neither will send you to hell.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ya...learned that from Jesus impressing an important point. Jesus simply said Verily, Verily....but doubted you would understand.



Sure Jesus was called the “Son of Man”...not all men, not you. Rather a Jewish man, a particular Jewish man, OF the House of David, OF the line of Abraham....I will presume you are too immature to know the significance.

Flesh is not the KEY word. BODY is the KEY word.
Your dependence upon your gray matter to understand spiritual things, is your downfall. Your snarky personality simply plants a big ewee on your ignorance.


SHOCKING, SHOCKING, SHOCKING....
BLOOD is the life of a Terrestrial man.
God PREPARED a BODY (to Offer FOR a willing mans Corrupt Body)
God PREPARED a Body with PURE BLOOD (to OFFER FOR a willing mans FORGIVENESS of his SIN of natural Birth and all Committed Sins, (Committed BEFORE knowing of and knowing God) <—-> and agree with you.... probably Does not apply to you.

I lose in your small gray matter Understanding...
NEWSFLASH...your lack of Spiritual knowledge and Spiritual Understanding ....
has a big fat ZERO to do with my Spiritual Relationship with the Lord God Almighty.

So be off with you....go put your sticker on your “I won” poster board.

Painfully ignorant . . .

NOWHERE in the context of Scripture does it say that God simply “prepared” a body with “pure blood” for Jesus. He was conceived in the womb of His mother Mary (Luke 1:31) – like

It says:
Heb. 2:14
Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise PARTOOK OF THE SAME THINGS, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil

As I already educated you before – Jesus is called “Anthropos” (human being) in the Greek (Acts 2:22, Acts 2:23, Acts 17:31, 1 Tim. 2:5, Rom. 5:15).

I realize this is difficult for you to believe – having marinated in LIES for so long but it’s time you accepted the truth that BILLIONS of Christians have understood over the centuries.
Jesus Christ is FULLY God and FULLY Human..

 

[BreadOfLife]

@amigo de christo @BreadOfLife

LOL Ya know if I did not find some humor in all this it would definitely drive me nutz. This is one of many reasons why there is no one true church. Two good Christians arguing over false beliefs. Multiply that by 2000 years and millions of millions of people. No surprise that they could not get it right.

Take note; As I said, the false beliefs are what most Christians hold the most near and dear, standing ready to fight over any challenge to these cherished false beliefs. Do we discuss how to better apply Christianity to our lives and our community? Do we discuss how we could show more unity between denominations? How many of them are the same? The only thing they have in common is a warehouse full of false beliefs and misunderstandings. People in glass houses should not throw stones. What do we have in common? We love Christ and are suppose to be His followers....to follow....what does that mean?

Debating in good faith and character can produce positive results. Ya want to debate the existence of Purgatory, the doctrine of Original Sin, the Trinity....fine....lay out the proof. But because there will be no tangible proof recognize the validity of personal beliefs and that Christians can stand together even if they have different beliefs.....because they love Christ.

Now I apologize if it sounds like I am getting on a soap box because those that know me know I can get rough at times. But that is usually regarding evil teachings that can lead others to hell. For example the discussion on speaking in tongues....some believe and some do not, but neither will send you to hell.

First of all - the idea that Jesus is BOTH God and Human is not a "false belief" - but a Biblical Truth.

Secondly, there can be NO unity if there is no understanding of WHO God is.
Anybody who claims to be a Christian must understand this fact. Otherwise, they may be something - but definitely NOT a "Christian" by definition. In other words - you cannot deny the very nature of Christ and claim to be His follower.

Virtually every heresy begins with the misconception of the nature of God. . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

First of all - the idea that Jesus is BOTH God and Human is not a "false belief" - but a Biblical Truth.

Secondly, there can be NO unity if there is no understanding of WHO God is.
Anybody who claims to be a Christian must understand this fact. Otherwise, they may be something - but definitely NOT a "Christian" by definition. In other words - you cannot deny the very nature of Christ and claim to be His follower.

Virtually every heresy begins with the misconception of the nature of God. . . .

First off I always call for unity between Christians. Yeshua both Divine and human.....I personally would not disagree.....still a discussion. Yeshua did not specifically say he was both God and human, not that it was not implied. The general concept is fine, but the exact composition of God is beyond our comprehension. They have made the mistake of attempting to do that before, out of ignorance. The belief that if you do not agree with the unity of the Trinity you are not a Christian of if you do not believe the prescribed doctrine of the nature of God, you are not a Christian, is false and got a lot of people killed and divided Christ's Church.

Who God is? Yahweh said I Am I Am. If we get it down to the nitty gritty a Voodooist can put the "In God I Trust" bumper sticker on their car. God is a designation. Yahweh is a God, Yeshua is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God. Just how connected they are and how they are connected is a matter of debate...I can show over a hundred examples of the scriptures that indicate they are not entirely "one" as we comprehend "one." For example Yahweh knew something that Yeshua did not....can they be one? If Yahweh said, The Father is greater than I, can they be one? If one has authority over the other, can they be one? Still who can define the connection? If you see Me, you have seen the Father or no one has seen the Father....still room for debate. But either understanding or belief does not make you a Christian or not a Christian.

Heresy is a non-scriptural ambiguous term and is defined by the perspective of different denominations or churches. The real question is what are false beliefs? What is false in respect to the scriptures with no consideration or connections to doctrines written by men.

The belief that if you do not believe what I believe, means that you are not a Christian is false. The study of false beliefs is rather extensive. I recommend that all Christians dive into that topic....prepared to be shocked.

 

[Taken]

Painfully ignorant . . .

No need to testify of your ignorance, already aware.

NOWHERE in the context of Scripture does it say that God simply “prepared” a body

Your Error, and funny too, since I have shown you this before.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

with “pure blood” for Jesus.

Your Error, funny too, since I have shown you this before.

1 John 1:
[7] But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

He was conceived in the womb of His mother Mary (Luke 1:31) –

Conception DOES NOT occur in the Womb.
Conception OCCURS in the Upper end of the females Fallopian tubeWhere her SEED is Located. Once the male SEED fertilizes the Female SEED the Fertilized SEED travels to the WOMB and the woman IS PREGNANT which is called Conceived IN her Womb.

No SEED traveled up Mary’s Fallopian tube and fertilized her SEED.
Jesus is the Word of God.
Jesus was IN Heaven IN Gods MOUTH.
God Sent FORTH His Word out of His MOUTH, in a body God Prepared, to Mary’s WOMB.

DO YOU NOT READ SCRIPTURE? DID you NOT LEARN, of the DAY God REVEALED to Jesus’ Chosen Disciples .... the REVELATION .... that Jesus IS THE CHRIST? The Messiah the Jews had been WAITING FOR?

You are so busy trying to prove PETER is your rock...you miss the WISDOM that was being REVEALED supernaturally......BECAUSE NONE could answer Jesus QUESTION....OF WHO HE IS.
Hello....JESUS IS the Christ Messiah....

And FURTHER....CHRIST, IS: the power, the wisdom, the SEED of God, the Head, the Body, the ROCK of His Church, which IS BUILT UP ...
Jesus IS the Christ the Son of the Living God.
The SEED of God CERTAINLY DID NOT fertilize a Human woman’s Seed...!!!

You have been told and shown this before! But your carnal mind has the Holy Everlasting God fertilizing His created human woman’s egg...and even to the point you have claimed Jesus IS a Human man and Has Mary’s DNA...
What a load of nonsense.

It says:
Heb. 2:14
Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise PARTOOK OF THE SAME THINGS, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil

So God Prepared Jesus a body, and blood, and Jesus walked, and talked, and ate, and slept, and got angry, and talked to His Father in Heaven, and, and, and.....is that what MADE JESUS HUMAN....? Uh NO.

As I already educated you before – Jesus is called “Anthropos” (human being) in the Greek (Acts 2:22, Acts 2:23, Acts 17:31, 1 Tim. 2:5, Rom. 5:15).

A HUMAN is of dust of the earth.....seriously you think Jesus came out of the dust of the Earth?
Already told you and showed you Jesus is the Word of God that came forth out from Gods MOUTH! Not Gods Created Earth!

A HUMAN being IS a KIND of creature, God created from DUST, and made alive with a SOUL with Gods Breath of Life.

And IF you had READ Scripture you should have LEARNED, God RESTED after all the “very good” THINGS....He created and made.

And IF you had READ Scripture you should have LEARNED, God MADE NOTHING without His Word...(Jesus)....And HIS Power....(Christ)!
(the very same YOU CALL YOU CALL A HUMAN).

I realize this is difficult for you to believe – having marinated in LIES for so long but it’s time you accepted the truth that BILLIONS of Christians have understood over the centuries.
Jesus Christ is FULLY God and FULLY Human..

A LIE told ONCE or MILLIONS of Times, FOR Centuries is STILL A LIE, no matter How Many Times YOU repeat it!

No I do not subscribe to YOUR centuries long Catholic accredited Lie.

FULLY and FULLY.....what kind of ignorant math were you taught?
(Seriously even a Carnal Mind should have challenged that nonsense!)

Human men are Created Terrestrials.
Gods Word was never Created....It was REVEALED!! Duh!
Gods Power was never Created...It was REVEALED!! Duh!

Jesus CAME FORTH OUT FROM GOD...

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Trying to Understand Spiritual things with a Carnal Mind is a FAIL...
That Concept IS ALSO taught in Scripture!

 

[Illuminator]

First off I always call for unity between Christians. Yeshua both Divine and human.....I personally would not disagree.....still a discussion. Yeshua did not specifically say he was both God and human, not that it was not implied. The general concept is fine, but the exact composition of God is beyond our comprehension. They have made the mistake of attempting to do that before, out of ignorance. The belief that if you do not agree with the unity of the Trinity you are not a Christian of if you do not believe the prescribed doctrine of the nature of God, you are not a Christian, is false and got a lot of people killed and divided Christ's Church.

A revealed truth is not a prescribed doctrine. It is objective truth. It doesn't need a defense because it stands on its own merits, or it's not truth. The Trinity is a revealed truth.

Who God is? Yahweh said I Am I Am. If we get it down to the nitty gritty a Voodooist can put the "In God I Trust" bumper sticker on their car. God is a designation. Yahweh is a God, Yeshua is a God, and the Holy Spirit is a God. Just how connected they are and how they are connected is a matter of debate...I can show over a hundred examples of the scriptures that indicate they are not entirely "one" as we comprehend "one." For example Yahweh knew something that Yeshua did not....can they be one? If Yahweh said, The Father is greater than I, can they be one? If one has authority over the other, can they be one? Still who can define the connection? If you see Me, you have seen the Father or no one has seen the Father....still room for debate. But either understanding or belief does not make you a Christian or not a Christian.

Watch out you don't get a spiritual hernia trying to fit God in your box. I could be wrong, but the heresy of Modalism has you confused.

Heresy is a non-scriptural ambiguous term and is defined by the perspective of different denominations or churches.

Heresy is a scriptural definitive term with historical roots. Paul defined it when he declared athenemas. That has always been the model used by the Church for excommunication, consistently for 2000 years. Supported by both scripture and history.If you follow development of doctrine backwards through history, you stop when it goes back to the Apostles.
Please avoid the mistake that change is the same as development. It isn't the same. You have to understand how doctrine develops over time. There has to be a continuity of essential truth found in some form in each stage of growth and clarity.
Heresy is a post-baptismal denial of a revealed truth. In one sense, one must be a Catholic first BEFORE qualifying as a heretic.

The real question is what are false beliefs? What is false in respect to the scriptures with no consideration or connections to doctrines written by men.

The belief that if you do not believe what I believe, means that you are not a Christian is false. The study of false beliefs is rather extensive. I recommend that all Christians dive into that topic....prepared to be shocked.

In one sense, one must be a Catholic first BEFORE qualifying as a heretic. If that's true, any non-Catholic Christian cannot logically be a heretic.
The false beliefs I see plastered all over this forum is the result of relativism.
"is defined by the perspective of different denominations or churches" is a pure form of relativism. There is no way you can deny the ongoing clarification of the Trinity without claiming most of Protestantism as heretical. Prepare to be shocked.