What is the new Jerusalem constructed out of

[bbyrd009]

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הלם
The verb הלם (halam) means to hammer or smite. It occurs less than a dozen times: of striking an anvil (Isaiah 41:7) or destroying carved works (Psalm 74:6) or uppity generals (Judges 5:26), or clusters of vines (Isaiah 16:8). It's used to describe a righteous person correcting someone (Psalm 141:5) or the hammering of horses' hoofs (Judges 5:22), and once quite literally getting hammered from wine (Isaiah 28:1).

This verb's derivations are:

• The feminine noun הלמות (halmut), meaning hammer or mallet (Judges 5:26 only).
• The feminine noun יהלם (yahalom), denoting some kind of precious gem. We don't know exactly which gem this word denotes (jasper has been proposed but that's just a guess). All we know it that it was known as smasher, or it will hammer (or it will require hammering, possibly because it's so hard). This stone is mentioned three times, twice in reference to the high priest's breast plate (Exodus 28:18 and 39:11) and once in reference to the king of Tyre's covering (Ezekiel 28:13).
• The feminine plural noun מהלמות (mahalumot), meaning strokes or blows. It occurs twice, both times referring to blows exchanged between humans (Proverbs 18:6, 19:29).
  

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  Strong's Concordance
  saphar: to count, recount, relate
  Original Word: סָפַר
  Part of Speech: verb; noun masculine
  Transliteration: saphar
  Phonetic Spelling: (saw-far')
  Definition: to count, recount, relate
  NAS Exhaustive Concordance
  Word Origin
  denominative verb from sepher
  Definition
  to count, recount, relate
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• sepher: a missive, document, writing, book
  Original Word: סֵפֶר
  Part of Speech: noun masculine; feminine; noun feminine
  Transliteration: sepher
  Phonetic Spelling: (say'-fer)
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  The amazing name Sepharvaim: meaning and etymology

 

[bbyrd009]

etc, ad nauseum i guess? lol

sorry bro
the truth just...sucks, that's all, knowledge brings sorrow huh
sorrow will turn to joy, though, Abba promises!

 

[bbyrd009]

Just think of the gates being one huge pearl!!! Wow.

that is the hardest one to discover, uncover i guess...ah and maybe i shouldn't, guess i better not. Prolly not a margarita though! :)

if i remem right that is like the only one you get no help on, no references to follow. And it is "the gate!"

 

[Earburner]

God intended to construct an actual supernatural and heavenly city. And He did. And He also showed it to Abraham. If that does not clearly establish that what is written was meant to be taken literally, then you might as well give up trying to understand anything in the Bible.

It brings absolutely no glory to God to make Him out to be a deceiver and a liar. If there is a real Heaven, a real throne of God, a real Temple in Heaven, a real God and Christ in Heaven, real angels in Heaven, then there must also be a real city in Heaven -- the New Jerusalem. And it is more along the lines of several continents stacked above each other, rather than a city as we know it. It is 1500 miles high, and a cubic city to boot!

If you can discern, perceive and understand the following, then you SHALL understand what
Enoch 111 and I are saying.
If not, then you, and all alike have a problem with "the natural man" of yourself.

1 Cor. 2[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
[10] But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom [the natural mind] teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
[15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[marks]

I love it when "Literalists" walk on miles and miles of wide open soft sand and grass that God created for us to enjoy, but insist that we will eventually be confined to a structure that makes Trump Tower's garish architecture look tame and sedate, trodding on hard roads of solid metal. LOL

Hi Willie,

We like to walk on surf and turf because we are fitted for it. Our skin enjoys the warm sun and breezes, our feet enjoy the sand and the foam because that is how we're made, just the same, we'll enjoy whatever it is we find because that is how we will be made.

IMO.

Much love!

 

[Earburner]

Correction: Enoch 111 you are not hearing what Victory-IJ and I are saying.

 

[Enoch111]

It is not Him saying He went to Heaven to construct with hammers and nails

What part of SUPERNATURAL do you not understand? Hammers and nails! Does God need hammers and nails to construct a city 1500 miles x 1500 miles x 1500 miles?

So let's look at John 14:1-3 again and put things in perspective:

CHRISTIANS TOLD TO BE AT PEACE
Let not your heart be troubled:...

CHRIST IS GOD
...ye believe in God, believe also in me.

THE FATHER'S HOUSE IS HEAVEN (THE NEW JERUSALEM)
In my Father's house...

HEAVEN HAS DWELLING PLACES FOR ALL THE SAINTS
...are many mansions:...

CHRIST DOES NOT LIE ABOUT THIS, BELIEVE IT
...if it were not so, I would have told you.

CHRIST FORESEES HE ASCENSION TO HEAVEN
I go to prepare a place for you...

THE PROMISE OF THE RAPTURE IS GIVEN
...And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again...

CHRIST WILL PERSONALLY COME FOR THE SAINTS
...and receive you unto myself...

THE ETERNAL HOME OF THE SAINTS IS THE NEW JERUSALEM
...that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

[Helen]

Please consider also the “I go to prepare
a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there you may be also.”

Remember when He told them a little while and they would not see Him...yet also in a little while they would see Him.
John 16:14-20 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [15] All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [16] A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. [17] Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father? [18] They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith. [19] Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me? [20] Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

Remember when He said He must go to the Father. (John 14:23-28). But they did not want Him to go nor understood why He had to go prepare a place for them. Why couldn’t the Son stay with them? In light of His saying He would go and prepare a place for them. How He said if the temple was destroyed He would raise it up again in three days. going away to prepare a place for them was speaking of His death and resurrection. That is the place prepared for them...in Life of the Son. A place within the House of God. A place in resurrection Life which was made possible through the crucifixion and His going to the Father. It is not Him saying He went to Heaven to construct with hammers and nails(although that is true in what they did to Him) mansions in Heaven where He is building mansions (literal ones) right now till He comes again. He had to leave them and He said they would weep and mourn but He had to go to prepared them a place in the House of God...and if He prepared them a place in the Son; He would come to them and show them the House that grows up in The resurrected Son. The magnitude of His preparing them a place with His Death and Resurrection is diminished and overshadowed by what this world calls mansions.

Amen, good post.

It always amazes me how we can argue so strongly about such things...when no one can say "they know"...we know and understand 'in part'.

One thing I do know...nothing will be anything like what out tiny minds have thought up! "Eye hath not seen, neither has ear heard..."

 

[Enoch111]

In my Father's house ARE MANY mansions...You do understand, that Jesus was speaking in the present tense, correct?

Did you ask yourself why Jesus was speaking in the present tense?

The heavenly city of New Jerusalem was already in existence at the time of Abraham (Heb 11:8-10). Perhaps it had been in existence from the Fall, since Paradise is now in the New Jerusalem but vanished from the earth after the Fall.

Did you want to think that they are empty rooms, apartments, or houses that we are to live in, in the future? If so, then you are not thinking about the many who have gone on before YOU, including ALL who died in faith since Adam!!

Since those mansions are for ALL the saints until the Resurrection/Rapture they will indeed be occupied according to the promise of Christ. And many may already be occupied. As to the many who are already in the New Jerusalem, why did you not search out the matter?

HEBREWS 12: 22-24

THE NEW JERUSALEM
But ye are come [PRESENT TENSE] unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem...,

HAS COUNTLESS ANGELS
...and to an innumerable company of angels...

PLUS THE NT SAINTS (THE CHURCH)
...To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven...

PLUS GOD HIMSELF
...and to God the Judge of all...

PLUS THE OT SAINTS NOW PERFECTED
...and to the spirits of just men made perfect...

PLUS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
...And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant..

PLUS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST SPRINKLED ON THE MERCY SEAT
...and to the blood of sprinkling..

CHRIST'S BLOOD HAS ETERNAL VALUE
...that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[bbyrd009]

Saying you are reading something into it that was never intended. This is close to the Catholics making a Pope out of Peter because of the sound of his name.

ty :)

Saying you are reading something into it that was never intended. This is close to the Catholics making a Pope out of Peter because of the sound of his name.

funny how all this is intrinsic to the Pearl, "the gates," too.

 

[bbyrd009]

What part of SUPERNATURAL do you not understand? Hammers and nails! Does God need hammers and nails to construct a city 1500 miles x 1500 miles x 1500 miles?

So let's look at John 14:1-3 again and put things in perspective:

CHRISTIANS TOLD TO BE AT PEACE
Let not your heart be troubled:...

CHRIST IS GOD
...ye believe in God, believe also in me.

THE FATHER'S HOUSE IS HEAVEN (THE NEW JERUSALEM)
In my Father's house...

HEAVEN HAS DWELLING PLACES FOR ALL THE SAINTS
...are many mansions:...

CHRIST DOES NOT LIE ABOUT THIS, BELIEVE IT
...if it were not so, I would have told you.

CHRIST FORESEES HE ASCENSION TO HEAVEN
I go to prepare a place for you...

THE PROMISE OF THE RAPTURE IS GIVEN
...And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again...

CHRIST WILL PERSONALLY COME FOR THE SAINTS
...and receive you unto myself...

THE ETERNAL HOME OF THE SAINTS IS THE NEW JERUSALEM
...that where I am, there ye may be also.

Lol, it's clown school now i guess, ok. Add to It all you need to, k

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus was speaking in the present tense?

Ok "like" here though, ok.
Imaginary conclusion though i guess...heck, i guess you just made everything else up?
why do you add to Scripture?

 

[bbyrd009]

ok I apologize here, I sure didn't mean to kill this thread ok, this is a discussion about our Foundation, right. Christ.
if you run now, what will you do then? when then becomes now, as it is surely, surely gonna do?

so, I wont comment in here anymore I guess, ok? imo find the other ten foundations among yourselves, today, and seek the pearl, it is a certain thing, even if it might be a crystal, who knows, I sure don't.

if you are walking on sand, don't be sceered to confess that imo, I spend most of my days walking on sand right now I guess. Rome is in revolution right now, obviously; do you know where the hills are? Bc, literalists, It Is Finished is not bound by your expectations, no matter how confident you are of them.

if someone preaches confidently about something you might see tomorrow with your Two Eyes, trust that they are lying to you, and relying on your own desires to validate them. "Forever" is...a Time thingy, right? And we have made some fatal assumptions about time i guess. find that pearl imo, ok

 

[bbyrd009]

you want to walk on water, don't you? see, for that you have to ask

 

[VictoryinJesus]

you want to walk on water, don't you? see, for that you have to ask

Revelation 15:2
[2] And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What part of SUPERNATURAL do you not understand? Hammers and nails! Does God need hammers and nails to construct a city 1500 miles x 1500 miles x 1500 miles?

So let's look at John 14:1-3 again and put things in perspective:

CHRISTIANS TOLD TO BE AT PEACE
Let not your heart be troubled:...

CHRIST IS GOD
...ye believe in God, believe also in me.

THE FATHER'S HOUSE IS HEAVEN (THE NEW JERUSALEM)
In my Father's house...

HEAVEN HAS DWELLING PLACES FOR ALL THE SAINTS
...are many mansions:...

CHRIST DOES NOT LIE ABOUT THIS, BELIEVE IT
...if it were not so, I would have told you.

CHRIST FORESEES HE ASCENSION TO HEAVEN
I go to prepare a place for you...

THE PROMISE OF THE RAPTURE IS GIVEN
...And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again...

CHRIST WILL PERSONALLY COME FOR THE SAINTS
...and receive you unto myself...

THE ETERNAL HOME OF THE SAINTS IS THE NEW JERUSALEM
...that where I am, there ye may be also.

You’ve read it. Ephesians 2:22
[22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

What is the house of God? What is the House of God’s foundation? Consider the two houses built on either sand or dug deep and anchored in.

Hebrews 12:27-28
[27] And this word , Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. [28] Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

“we receiving a Kingdom which cannot be moved” ...dug deep and anchored in. Please answer the question: what is the House of God in Ephesians 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

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[Earburner]

Did you ask yourself why Jesus was speaking in the present tense?

The heavenly city of New Jerusalem was already in existence at the time of Abraham (Heb 11:8-10). Perhaps it had been in existence from the Fall, since Paradise is now in the New Jerusalem but vanished from the earth after the Fall.


Since those mansions are for ALL the saints until the Resurrection/Rapture they will indeed be occupied according to the promise of Christ. And many may already be occupied. As to the many who are already in the New Jerusalem, why did you not search out the matter?

HEBREWS 12: 22-24

THE NEW JERUSALEM
But ye are come [PRESENT TENSE] unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem...,

HAS COUNTLESS ANGELS
...and to an innumerable company of angels...

PLUS THE NT SAINTS (THE CHURCH)
...To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven...

PLUS GOD HIMSELF
...and to God the Judge of all...

PLUS THE OT SAINTS NOW PERFECTED
...and to the spirits of just men made perfect...

PLUS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
...And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant..

PLUS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST SPRINKLED ON THE MERCY SEAT
...and to the blood of sprinkling..

CHRIST'S BLOOD HAS ETERNAL VALUE
...that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

In all that you wrote and partially quoted, it's all about living beings of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, OC and NC Saints and the Holy angels.

It's not about literal foundations made of precious stones, or houses
made of wood, stone, or apartments and rooms to live in.
If you are born again of His Holy Spirit, then you should understand that WE ARE the body of Christ, and have been fitted [placed] into Him, of which explains what Jesus meant:
"I go and prepare a place for you".

The Holy Spirit trough Paul also explains it as:
Eph. 2[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us [made us alive to God] together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

WE ARE the Heavenly Jerusalem!
Eph. 4[15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the HEAD, even Christ:
[16] From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

We are collectively "The House of God" , being His dwelling place.

 

[Earburner]

Cont'd:
We are "living stones", who are placed [fitted] into Jesus, who is the living corner stone.

1 Peter 2[2] As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
[3] If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
[4] To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
[5] Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

 

[Earburner]

Cont'd:
1 Cor.
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

 

[Earburner]

^ Correction: Rom. 12