What is Preterism? - Video - 6 Hours.

[MatthewG]

Thank you for sharing your view point, Cassandra.

Love to anyone and all, who decide to share.

 

[Stan B]

I can not help it if people get upset or defensive over other people who have a differing opinion.

The truth is men are shakeable. Their beliefs are shakable, just like a building.

The only thing that will remain in the things that are spiritual they can not be shaken.

Believing that the Son of Man came when he promised to come, and the apostles pushed this to others to be watching and reading in their day in age confirms the truth of that the Son of Man was indeed coming to get the bride of Christ, the (144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel) is hard to get around.

I personally do not believe any of those 12 tribes are still around today and exist.

If the hope is for Jesus to come back, when in actuality Jesus is with you by the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of Christ with-in you due to faith, why can not we enjoy being in relationship with the Father, and having the resurrected christ with-in us? The Kingdom of God is with-in those who have faith and believe in the death, burial, and resurrection that leads us to do good works, in which we allow the Holy Spirit, and the spirit of Christ to come through us, in which we love God and love others.

The 144,000 are certainly not the Bride of Christ! that sounds like some sort of cultic nonsense.

In Rev 7 where the 144,000 are prophesied, it also tells about a myriad no man could number are taken OUT of the great tribulation and are seen around the throne of God.

Being Israeli, they are already the “wife of Jehovah”; not ideal bride material.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t know.

My encouragement is for people to study the Bible and figure it out being lead by the spirit.

John was the beloved disciple who was given the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ.

It up to the individual by reading his letter what they will decide and believe, thank you for your comment @Stan B.

 

[ChristisGod]

Have you never had someone teach you the Bible?

the Bible says there are teachers out there, what do you do with that my brother?

James 3:1New International Version
Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

So when you are posting your own videos on this forum by default you are teaching and claiming to be teaching Gods word correct ?

Do you have the spiritual gift of teaching ?

Does your church affirm that gift ?

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

Do you understand that everything you teach here is from people? I'm not sure you really get that.

You make statements like the above talking about what "other people" say/think about this or that and you clearly don't grasp that you are getting all of your ideas and beliefs from "other people" and presenting them as if they are your own conclusions from studying Scripture.

Do you understand the point that I'm trying to make clear to you? Every thread you make, it's so obvious that you've watched a sermon video, or read an article, about a concept or doctrine and you are now presenting it as your convictional belief, etc.

Do you not trust your own ability to read Scripture and decide for yourself what is being taught therein?

ditto

 

[MatthewG]

All I know brother Christopher

Is what Jesus said

Luke 9:23

Then he said to the crowd, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your cross daily, and follow me


No one should believe what anyone says behind a pulpit, they should be encouraged to seek and search and look for themselves what the Bible shares with them, and be encouraged to learn history if they do desire, I can always be wrong, just like a man up behind a pulpit can be wrong.

As human beings all people are fallible, so we should test all things by the spirit and hold fast to what is good.

 

[ChristisGod]

The Second coming will be visual and audible.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Amen not some secret invisible return. Jesus in Matthew 24 declared every eye will see Him return.

 

[MatthewG]

That is what I believe Jesus returned and those waiting on Him did see him as the Son of Man coming in the clouds in his day in age at the destruction of Jerusalem.

I still have a lot of studying to do. It’s a lifetime worth.

 

[ChristisGod]

Some basic principles with Gods word and anyone who sits in a teaching role. For starters don't try or attempt to teach on any subject you are not fully and completely knowledgeable on the topic and understand the doctrine and opposing views. Secondly God warns not many should become or seek a teaching position/role for God will Judge you more strictly/harshly. Third teaching Gods word is a spiritual gift that is affirmed by others in your local church body where you fellowship and are accountable to others. Fourth one should not be a new convert or a young believer. men are called " ELDERS " for a good reason and must have the gift of being able to teach Gods word. And last but not least the bible is not guesswork and I don't know or I'm not sure or decide for yourself or just read it and make up your own mind etc..... Scripture never speaks such nonsense.

2 Timothy 2:15
Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth.

2 Timothy 2:22-26
Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

1 Timothy 5:17
The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.

1 Thessalonians 5:12
But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who work diligently among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give you instruction.

1 Timothy 4:14
Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given you through the prophecy spoken over you at the laying on of the hands of the elders.

1 Timothy 4:6
If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

1 Corinthians 3:8-15
The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.

10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

That is what I believe Jesus returned and those waiting on Him did see him as the Son of Man coming in the clouds in his day in age at the destruction of Jerusalem.

I still have a lot of studying to do. It’s a lifetime worth.

Revelation was written after 70ad and the destruction so your teaching/views fail the truth test. satan has been alive and well, there has been no peace since Jesus walked this earth,evil still exists, no millennium , no resurrection of the saints etc... its all still future. One must " spiritualize " 100's of scriptures and prophecies yet to be fulfilled to hold that view. Its false teaching.

I can say this with 100 % confidence, without any doubts whatsoever .

Can you with your belief ?

hope this helps !!!

 

[Waiting on him]

That is what I believe Jesus returned and those waiting on Him did see him as the Son of Man coming in the clouds in his day in age at the destruction of Jerusalem.

I still have a lot of studying to do. It’s a lifetime worth.

Hang in there.

 

[ChristisGod]

Hang in there.

Would you agree there is a huge difference between being a student of Gods word and being a Teacher ?

 

[Waiting on him]

Would you agree there is a huge difference between being a student of Gods word and being a Teacher ?

No.

 

[Waiting on him]

That is what I believe Jesus returned and those waiting on Him did see him as the Son of Man coming in the clouds in his day in age at the destruction of Jerusalem.

I still have a lot of studying to do. It’s a lifetime worth.

@MatthewG do you know who John of Gischala was? Not certain I have that spelled correctly.

 

[Davy]

That both Preterism and Full Preterism are LIES from men's leaven doctrines of the "tares" that crept into some seminaries, is so EASY to know just by staying in God's written Word!

I definitely understand about Preterism, even though I didn't know it when young, but that was the main doctrine the Church I was raised in followed. Full Preterism is even more ignorant because its denial that Christ's coming is still future.

It's amazing that the same ole' crept in unawares that crept into Israel, like the Canaanites, have crept into many of today's Christian seminaries and purposefully distort God's written Word. And it's even more amazing that so many brethren are totally duped by those tares, simply because they look up to those men more than listening to God in His Own Word of Truth!

 

[ChristisGod]

No.

So all students have the spiritual gift of teaching ?

 

[Waiting on him]

So all students have the spiritual gift of teaching ?

You’ll have to find someone else to argue your self proclaimed spiritual gift with. I personally don’t need a man to lord over me.

 

[ChristisGod]

You’ll have to find someone else to argue your self proclaimed spiritual gift with. I personally don’t need a man to lord over me.

It was a simple question. And I'm sure you know a student doesn't mean one is able to teach.

Have a nice day and thanks for the ad hominem. Attacking the person, not the argument. I count it as a blessing.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ScottA]

@MatthewG

I don't know of or about those Preachers/Teachers, as my only Teacher is God. But you have described the Christian dilemma quite well.

I too have written books but can explain it in one paragraph:

God is timeless and eternal, as is every event that is of him. While the events of this world (which is not His kingdom, but rather His creation) are not on a timeline per say, but on a storyline of all that is written. The world is simply the place and means by which God reveals it all to sinful men, as Paul said, "each in his own order." That is why it is written that Jesus "was slain before the foundation of the world" and "now" is the time of salvation."
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Time is an illusion, and men are fools looking always to their own understanding.

 

[Waiting on him]

Time is an illusion, and men are fools looking always to their own understanding.

Maybe more like a poison we all drink?