What is Mariology?

[face2face]

No I mean what I say and say what I mean!

lk 1:43

Do you also believe Abraham is God - Genesis 18:12 - been over this ground with Mungo and he admitted many many uses for the word Lord. I wonder if you will do the same?...thinking not somehow!

Knock yourself out!

Mungo, are you suggesting the use of Kurios automatically means Jesus is God? That you believe that this single Greek word hangs all the complex dogmas of the Trinity? The word kurios is used in so many ways.

1. As the possessor, owner, master, e.g., of property (Matt. 20:8; 21:40; Gal. 4:1; Sept.: Ex. 21:28, 29, 34);

2. Of a supreme lord, sovereign, e.g., the Roman emperor (Acts 25:26); the heathen gods (1 Cor. 8:5).

3. As an honorary title of address, especially to superiors, equivalent to mister, sir, as a servant to his master (Matt. 13:27; Luke 13:8); a son to his father (Matt. 21:30); to a teacher, master (Matt. 8:25; Luke 9:54, equal to epistátēs [1988], superintendent, commander. See Matt. 7:21, 22; Luke 6:46); to a person of dignity and authority (Mark 7:28; John 4:11, 15, 19, 49); to a Roman procurator (Matt. 27:63). When addressing someone respectfully (John 12:21; 20:15; Acts 16:30; Sept.: Gen. 19:2; 23:6, 11, 15).

Spoken of God and Christ:

1. Of God as the supreme Lord and Sovereign of the universe, usually corresponding to Yahweh. With the art. ho Kúrios (Matt. 1:22; 5:33; Mark 5:19; Luke 1:6, 28; Acts 7:33; Heb. 8:2; James 4:15). Without the art. Kúrios (Matt. 27:10; Mark 13:20; Luke 1:58; Acts 7:49; Rom. 4:8; Heb. 7:21; 1 Pet. 1:25). With adjuncts, without the art., e.g., Kúrios ho Theós (2316), God, the Lord God, followed by the gen. (Matt. 4:7, 10; 22:37; Luke 1:16; Sept.: Ezek. 4:14); Kúrios Sabaṓth (4519), Lord Sabaoth, meaning Lord of hosts, armies, a military appellation of God (Rom. 9:29; James 5:4; Sept.: 1 Sam. 15:2; Is. 1:9); Kúrios Pantokrátōr (3841), Lord Almighty or ruler of all (2 Cor. 6:18; Sept.: 2 Sam. 7:8; Nah. 2:13); Kúrios ho Theós ho Pantokrátōr, Lord, the God, the Almighty (Rev. 4:8; 11:17); Kúrios tṓn kurieuóntōn (2961), Lord of lords referring to those who are ruling (1 Tim. 6:15); Lord of heaven and earth (Acts 17:24). In a similar manner applied also to God as the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (Matt. 11:25, “Father, Lord of heaven and earth”; Luke 10:21 [cf. Sept.: 2 Chr. 36:23; Ezra 1:2; Neh. 1:5]).

2. Of the Lord Jesus Christ: (1) In reference to his abode on earth as a master and teacher, where it is equivalent to rhabbí (4461), rabbi, and epistátēs (1988), master, superintendent (Matt. 17:4 [cf. Mark 9:5; Luke 9:33]. See John 13:13, 14). Chiefly in the gospels before the resurrection of Christ and with the art. ho Kúrios, the Lord, used emphatically (Matt. 21:3; 28:6; Luke 7:13; 10:1; John 4:1; 20:2, 13; Acts 9:5; 1 Cor. 9:5). With adjuncts, e.g., ho Kúrios kaí ho didáskalos (1320), teacher, the Lord and the teacher (John 13:13, 14); ho Kúrios Iēsoús (2424), the Lord Jesus (Luke 24:3; Acts 1:21; 4:33; 1 Cor. 11:23). (2) As the supreme Lord of the gospel dispensation, “head over all things to the church” (Rom. 10:12; Rev. 17:14); with the art. ho Kúrios (Mark 16:19, 20; Acts 8:25; 19:10; 2 Cor. 3:17; Eph. 5:10; Col. 3:23; 2 Thess. 3:1, 5; 2 Tim. 4:8; James 5:7); with the gen. of person, ho Kúriós mou, my Lord (Matt. 22:44; Heb. 7:14; Rev. 11:8); without the art., Kúrios (Luke 1:76; 2 Cor. 3:16, 17; Col. 4:1; 2 Pet. 3:10). With adjuncts, e.g., with the art., ho Kúrios Iēsoús or Iēsoús ho Kúrios (Rom. 4:24); ho Kúrios hēmṓn Iēsoús, “our Lord Jesus” (1 Cor. 5:5; Heb. 13:20); ho Kúrios Iēsoús Christós, the Lord Jesus Christ, or Iēsoús Christós ho Kúrios, Jesus Christ the Lord (Acts 16:31: Rom. 1:4; 13:14; 1 Cor. 1:9); ho Kúrios hēmṓn Iēsoús Christós, our Lord Jesus Christ (Rom. 16:18; 1 Cor. 1:2, 10; Gal. 6:18); Iēsoús Christós ho Kúrios hēmṓn, Jesus Christ our Lord (Eph. 3:11; 1 Tim. 1:2).

To assume Kurious means Jesus is "Deity" and to assume Elizabeth had the doctrine of the Trinity in her mind when calling Jesus Lord is doing some major injustice to the text. To understand Christ as Lord is to confess that “he was appointed by the Father to have us under his power, to administer the Kingdom of God in heaven and earth” but nowhere in the Gospel or Letters are we told kurious = (Jesus is God) - just @theefaith twisting text to suit your preferred dogma's.

 

[theefaith]

What are you talking about, I’m a Christian I love Christ, what’s wrong with you saying something like that?

to reject the church is to reject Christ!

Christ and his church are one acts 9;4

salvation is only possible in the new covenant church founded by Christ Matt 16:18-19 1 pet 3:20-21 the church is the ark of salvation entered by baptism

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Noah’s ark was a type of the church and no one outside the ark lived so no one outside the church’s has eternal life

 

[theefaith]

What are you talking about, I’m a Christian I love Christ, what’s wrong with you saying something like that?

There can be no Christians outside the new covenant church

 

[JohnPaul]

There can be no Christians outside the new covenant church

Take your beliefs somewhere else, I’m not buying it. I don’t need some man interpreting the Bible his way and raising Mary above Christ.

I worship my way you worship yours.

 

[Taken]

Such as?

Biblical Mary:

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Your list is a good start of disparaging Mary's memory.

 

[theefaith]

Your list is a good start of disparaging Mary's memory.

Meaning?

 

[theefaith]

Take your beliefs somewhere else, I’m not buying it. I don’t need some man interpreting the Bible his way and raising Mary above Christ.

I worship my way you worship yours.

Never did and you have no means of worship only the church has the ability to worship in spirit and truth

 

[face2face]

to reject the church is to reject Christ!

Heard it before...to reject Judaism was to reject God...AD70 coming your way with that mindset.

 

[theefaith]

Do you also believe Abraham is God - Genesis 18:12 - been over this ground with Mungo and he admitted many many uses for the word Lord. I wonder if you will do the same?...thinking not somehow!

Knock yourself out!



To assume Kurious means Jesus is "Deity" and to assume Elizabeth had the doctrine of the Trinity in her mind when calling Jesus Lord is doing some major injustice to the text. To understand Christ as Lord is to confess that “he was appointed by the Father to have us under his power, to administer the Kingdom of God in heaven and earth” but nowhere in the Gospel or Letters are we told kurious = (Jesus is God) - just @theefaith twisting text to suit your preferred dogma's.

referring to luke 1:26 the angel was sent from God
Luke 1:45 Mary believed what told her from the Lord
So Luke 1:43 refers to the Lord God

to say Mary is not the mother of God is to say Jesus is not not, cos she is mother of God, not mother of the divinity or of the father or of the HS
Only the mother of Jesus do if Jesus is God Mary is the mother of God!

just as if Jesus is king (Lk 1:32-33) Mary is queen
The mother of the king is always queen

Jesus is our salvation (his person Lk 2:30) Mary is his mother so she is the mother of our salvation

 

[Taken]

Meaning?

You stand with, advocate, promote exalting Mary beyond the Limit of Scripture...

I do not agree with your standing, your advocacy, your promotion...
I believe it makes a mockery of Marys memory.

 

[face2face]

I have implicitly answered these but since you do not accept that:
I believe it was possible for Mary to sin but she did not sin.
Mary was not infallible so yes, she could be fallible.

Why do you think Jesus wanted to distance himself from Mary? John 2:1-6

 

[JohnPaul]

Never did and you have no means of worship only the church has the ability to worship in spirit and truth

Wow is this what a Christian board is about accusing other Christian members of not worshiping Christ because they don't have the same views as they do about worship, or because a member speaks the truth about the Catholic Church or other Churches.

Do you know what the mean of Idolatry means? Same as someone else here asked me to define worship.

Peace be with you brother, I don't need a church to worship I am in spirit with Christ and only through him and not some Priest.

 

[Mungo]

Take your beliefs somewhere else, I’m not buying it. I don’t need some man interpreting the Bible his way and raising Mary above Christ.

I worship my way you worship yours.

John Henry Newman famously said when a Protestant said to him "We both worship the same God", replied "Yes, you in your way, I in His way"

 

[theefaith]

You stand with, advocate, promote exalting Mary beyond the Limit of Scripture...

I do not agree with your standing, your advocacy, your promotion...
I believe it makes a mockery of Marys memory.

how do I do this beyond scripture?

It’s not possible to exalt Mary as much as her sublime dignity as mother of God deserves!

mary is the mother of God

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

so the Lord is the Lord God almighty!

Proving the divinity of Jesus Christ!


Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32

 

[theefaith]

Differences in Lk 1

Lk 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.


Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Mary is the Queen of the Angels!

The angel is greeting his sovereign mistress and no introduction is needed with Mary, like verse 19 cos Mary knows Gabriel, Mary from the first moment of her creation by God is immaculate! (And sees the beatific vision of God always before her eyes, even in her mothers womb, op) so she knows Gabriel who stands on the presence of God!

Matt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.


Mary made worthy in the immaculate conception to receive grace the HS and the savior and our salvation

Notice how Christ died for us!

Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

We were not worthy to die for our own salvation!

It’s similar with grace, we are not worthy to receive grace, so God made Mary by the immaculate conception worthy to receive all grace for us, and worthy to miraculously conceive of the Holy Spirit and to give birth to our savior and worthy to receive our salvation!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Lk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

This applies to Mary not by nature but by the power and will of God!


Mediatrix does not make Mary the mediator or violate 1 Tim 2:5
Anyone who is in the communion of saints is in union and may pray and make intercession for one another! Rev 5:8
All graces come by Jesus Christ Jn 1:16-17 and Jesus came thru Mary,
matt 1:23 so all graces come thru Mary!
Mary is full of grace the throne of divine grace! Heb 4:16
All generations shall call me blessed!
Lk 1:48

Blessed be the great Mother of God, Mary most Holy.
Blessed be her Holy and Immaculate Conception.
Blessed be her Glorious Assumption.
Blessed be the name of Mary, ever Virgin and Mother.

Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints. Amen.

Praise of Mary & the saints ends in God!
All merits, graces, and virtues of Mary come from God & Christ!

1 Corinthians 4:7
For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

2 Thessalonians 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe…

No one believed more than Mary! Lk 1:45

Co-redemptrix
Eve a Virgin by the communication of a fallen angel cooperated in the fall of man, the first Adam, gen 3 and it is fitting that Mary a Virgin by the communication of a good angel should cooperate in the redemption of man, the new Adam! Lk 1:28-38

Advocate
Mary help of Christians, pray for us!
Mary is the advocate of Christians because she is our spiritual mother. Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17
Her intercession is great charity, for even before she is asked she sees a need and fills it. John 2:3 they have no wine, and Christ honors his mother, and never refuses her prayers, and because of her powerful intercession the newlyweds were spared Shame, and His disciples believed. Jn 2:10-11

 

[theefaith]

Wow is this what a Christian board is about accusing other Christian members of not worshiping Christ because they don't have the same views as they do about worship, or because a member speaks the truth about the Catholic Church or other Churches.

Do you know what the mean of Idolatry means? Same as someone else here asked me to define worship.

Peace be with you brother, I don't need a church to worship I am in spirit with Christ and only through him and not some Priest.

We have no idols
Only God may be worshiped that’s the first commandment

youre an apostle and are able to offer the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ?

 

[Taken]

how do I do this beyond scripture?

Here.

mary is the mother of God

Heb 7:
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

 

[theefaith]

Here.





Heb 7:
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

why do you think “mother of God” means mother of the divine nature?

 

[rockytopva]

why do you think “mother of God” means mother of the divine nature?

Where do you find that?

 

[face2face]

We have no idols

They justify their idols by representing them as so called immortalised saints. Everything is justifiable by the RCC...that's why using the inspired Word is pointless...this thread has proven that. The most refreshing thing to come out of this is the personal conviction of JohnPaul. It's an excellent testimony to have someone who actually knows the system and its corrupt practices.