What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[RLT63]

AS IF there is any other part of Jesus.

If Jesus did not die - in his entirety - then his sacrifice was in vain because Scripture tells us death is the penalty for sin - not some partial payments may be acceptable.

He died just like we will die.

 

[Wrangler]

He died just like we will die.

Agreed, no + other type of life, just like how we die - totally and completely.

 

[RLT63]

Agreed, no + other type of life, just like how we die - totally and completely.

1Pe 3:18

¶
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

 

[Matthias]

He died just like we will die.

“Jesus is God!”

Jesus died.

God died?

No.

 

[RLT63]

“Jesus is God!”

Jesus died.

God died?

No.

1Pe 3:18

¶
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

 

[Matthias]

1Pe 3:18

¶
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Are you saying that God died?

 

[GEN2REV]

No sir. Scripture explicitly and repeatedly says Jesus was a man. See the difference?

Jesus was a man.

But it is a valid inference from the text as a possibility.

That’s my point of the Sh’ma violators, like you. Sure, the text you cite could support violating the Sh’ma but it could also be taken in a way that it is not.

I honestly do not understand the intensity of the drive to conjecture inferences to violate or contradict explicit Scripture - especially when one can speculate an inference that is in harmony with explicit Scripture. What insight do you have on this?

I don't even know what you just said.

 

[Wrangler]

1Pe 3:18

¶
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Are you saying Peter or Jesus preached in prisons?

Honestly, I’m not sure how your reply relates to my post? If you are saying Jesus was resurrected by God after being totally dead, like we die, then I understand and agree.

 

[GEN2REV]

Agreed, no + other type of life, just like how we die - totally and completely.

Except that He had the Spirit of God Almighty that quickened Him.

Just as those of us who have the Spirit of God Almighty (Jesus Christ per Romans 8:9-11) are quickened and will not die after we DO very much die.

NOWWW you're getting it! :)

 

[RLT63]

Are you saying that God died?

I'm saying exactly what the verse says, the flesh died, the Spirit preached to the spirits in prison.

 

[RLT63]

Are you saying Peter or Jesus preached in prisons?

Honestly, I’m not sure how your reply relates to my post? If you are saying Jesus was resurrected by God after being totally dead, like we die, then I understand and agree.

The spirits in prison, obviously not a prison on earth.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus was a man.I don't even know what you just said.

Mystical dualists rely, not on actual implications of text but merely possible inferences. Just because an interpretation is POSSIBLY true does not mean the opposite inference cannot possibly be true.

I realize that your mind has been indoctrinated for so long it truly is difficult for you to think straight. So, I’ll give a simple example.

A little child explicitly says ‘this is my toy.’ She also says with all kinds of other toys around, ‘this is NOT my toy.’

INFERENCE #1. Goes against her explicit statement, appealing to mystical dualism. The toy is not her exclusive property but owned in joint partnership with another Being who is one with her. It is and is not hers depending on the reference point, which is unknowable.

INFERENCE #2. Confined and aligned by her explicit statement. The toy she is referring to the 2nd time is a different toy, not the same toy she referred to the 1st time.

Both inferences are possibly true. Understand now?

 

[RLT63]

Mystical dualists rely, not on actual implications of text but merely possible inferences. Just because an interpretation is POSSIBLY true does not mean the opposite inference cannot possibly be true.

I realize that your mind has been indoctrinated for so long it truly is difficult for you to think straight. So, I’ll give a simple example.

A little child explicitly says ‘this is my toy.’ She also says with all kinds of other toys around, ‘this is NOT my toy.’

INFERENCE #1. Goes against her explicit statement, appealing to mystical dualism. The toy is not her exclusive property but owned in joint partnership with another Being who is one with her. It is and is not hers depending on the reference point, which is unknowable.

INFERENCE #2. Confined and aligned by her explicit statement. The toy she is referring to the 2nd time is a different toy, not the same toy she referred to the 1st time.

Both inferences are possibly true. Understand now?

Sure you cleared that all up using scripture. I guess this is one of the parables I haven't read.

 

[Matthias]

I'm saying exactly what the verse says, the flesh died, the Spirit preached to the spirits in prison.

So we’re in agreement then that God himself didn’t die?

 

[RLT63]

So we’re in agreement then that God himself didn’t die?

I think we disagree about what happens when someone dies.

 

[Wrangler]

Except that He had the Spirit of God Almighty that quickened Him.

Mystical dualists reject logic and mutual exclusives. IF Jesus died like us, then there is no exception.

 

[Matthias]

I think we disagree about what happens when someone dies.

The “someone” in question is God himself.

Me: God himself didn’t die.

You:

Option 1. God himself didn’t die.
Option 2. God himself did die.

If you can’t in good conscience choose Option 1 then don’t, but that’s what it would take for us to be in agreement.

Offered for your consideration, an article written by R.C. Sproul titled “Did God Die on the Cross?”

Did God Die on the Cross? | Ligonier Ministries

 

[GEN2REV]

Mystical dualists rely, not on actual implications of text but merely possible inferences. Just because an interpretation is POSSIBLY true does not mean the opposite inference cannot possibly be true.

A little child explicitly says ‘this is my toy.’ She also says with all kinds of other toys around, ‘this is NOT my toy.’

INFERENCE #1. Goes against her explicit statement, appealing to mystical dualism. The toy is not her exclusive property but owned in joint partnership with another Being who is one with her. It is and is not hers depending on the reference point, which is unknowable.

INFERENCE #2. Confined and aligned by her explicit statement. The toy she is referring to the 2nd time is a different toy, not the same toy she referred to the 1st time.

Both inferences are possibly true. Understand now?

Where do you get all this nonsense? I don't have anything against you personally (how could I, it's the internet), but you truly talk a lot without saying a single thing.

Mystical Dualism? Are you stoned or did you pirate all that from some stoner psychologist head-shrink's fan site?

I realize that your mind has been indoctrinated for so long it truly is difficult for you to think straight.

I'm very satisfied to say I've never spent a penny on Seminaries, never been in any imposter church or had anybody teach me anything at all besides the Holy Spirit from the sacred Scriptures.

I'd say it's you that has been brainwashed. Just look at the nonsense you pedal.

Can you show me any Scripture for your Mystical Dualism concept?

 

[GEN2REV]

Mystical dualists reject logic and mutual exclusives. IF Jesus died like us, then there is no exception.

You just consciously, and intentionally, refuse to believe that Jesus is God. It's not a question of a lack of evidence, or a lack of your studying Scripture, you know exactly what the evidence is and you're well versed, but you just choose not to believe.

That is really bad for your spiritual health.

 

[GEN2REV]

The “someone” in question is God himself.

Me: God himself didn’t die.

You:

Option 1. God himself didn’t die.
Option 2. God himself did die.

If you can’t in good conscience choose Option 1 then don’t, but that’s what it would take for us to be in agreement.

Offered for your consideration, an article written by R.C. Sproul titled “Did God Die on the Cross?”

Did God Die on the Cross? | Ligonier Ministries

How did Jesus obey every Commandment, from infancy to adulthood, if He was just a man?

Scripture makes clear no man is capable of that.