What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

[amigo de christo]

His son told us to wait on the spirit of truth- that he would ask the Father to send as a helper... to live "in" his followers.

“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another helper, that he may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you."

“But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative, but whatever he hears, he will speak; and he will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify me, for me will take of mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are mine; therefore I said that he takes of mine and will disclose it to you."

He will Testify of ME . The SPIRIT didnt come to lead us away from the truth in the bible nor away from anything JESUS taught .
IF we think we are hearing from a spirit but its leading us away from the simple written truth , IT AINT THE HOLY ONE .
Just remember that .

 

[amigo de christo]

..and yet all other paths of religion are on this forum.

And that is why more of us should be writing the truth so as they can see it .
There are many who embrace the lie of the all inclusive gospel
But out of love ought we not to POINT them to the one and only gospel that does save .
This hugging folks and not correcting , not pointing to JESUS , IT aint saving anyone its destroying souls .
its TIME to point to CHRIST and fast too . Time to point again to all He did , he did teach and say
and the apostels would later teach and say . Cause any other jesus or any other gospel Dont save
IT CONDMENS and we sure dont want to be a part of condmenation unto men . But rather out of love
we ought to quickly correct and point to Christ .

 

[Taken]

What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God?
OP ^

God didn’t “MAKE” Jesus God. We the created don’t “MAKE” Jesus God.
Gods Word IS God, in as much as your word is you.

God “MADE” it possible for manKIND to see and hear Gods Word face to face with Men, who thereafter gave their oral and written testimony for the world at large to have, hear, read, learn, trust to believe, or not.

And further revealed IS Gods Word called Jesus, IS also Christ, Who IS
The Wisdom, Power, Seed of God.

Christ Jesus, was Given manKIND, For manKind, by, through, of Christ Jesus, to BECOME MADE, transformed, body, soul, spirit, into the Likeness as is God Himself, wholly, whole and holy. Completely without the seeing eye of the World of...wicked, corrupt, powerful, oppressive, prying, nosy, surveilling, underhanded men.

Benefit? Gods Truth, Power, Righteousness WITH and IN a man 24-7...
Guiding, Leading, Instructing the Righteous WAY, regardless of what corrupt men are advocating and instructing.
....and the Caveat IS.....IF. IF a man is willing to Agree for Gods Truth, Power, Righteousness TO enter INTO that man.

It’s a Supernatural Phenomenon.
High/Low IQ, Rich /Poor, Popular/Unknown, Old/Young, Black/White, Male/Female, Chinese/American, Disabled/Fit, Tall/Short, Fat/Skinny, Strong/Weak, Healthy/Sick, Beautiful/Plain, Talented/Inept......
No Caveat......No one is Excluded....Applies to Everyone to freely choose the “IF” to accept Gods Power, Truth, Righteousness, Guidance withIN a man ... or not.

Benefit? You decide. Daily making decisions with your mind knowing bits and pieces of information, selecting what is most logical....or making decisions from the thoughts of your heart being fed by the Lord Himself? (You know....uh the All-knowing Lord God)...?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Matthias]

What's your guess?

I’m guessing now that you’d rather not say.

 

[Johann]

This hugging folks and not correcting , not pointing to JESUS , IT aint saving anyone its destroying souls .

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them.
Rom 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and fair speech they beguile the hearts of the innocent.

Mark (skopeite). Keep an eye on so as to avoid. Skopos is the goal, skopeō means keeping your eye on the goal.
Divisions (dichostasias). Old word for “standings apart,” cleavages. In N.T. only here and Gal_5:20.
Those which are causing (touṡ̇poiountas). This articular participle clause has within it not only the objects of the participle but the relative clause hēn humeis emathete (which you learned), a thoroughly Greek idiom.


Php 3:17 Brethren, be ye imitators together of me, and mark them which so walk even as ye have us for an ensample.
Php 3:18 For many walk, of whom I told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

I guess if we want to go by the Book, this is true then.


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel;
Gal 1:7 which is not another gospel: only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so say I now again, If any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema.
Gal 1:10 For am I now persuading men, or God? or am I seeking to please men? if I were still pleasing men, I should not be a servant of Christ.

Why keep pointing to Jesus? They "know" Jesus, even the demons believe and they tremble, these are not trembling, but selling a heteros gospel.


Pearls before swine (μαργαρίτας ἔμπροσθεν τῶν χοίρων)
Another picture of a rich man wantonly throwing handfuls of small pearls to swine. Swine in Palestine were at best but half-tamed, the hog being an unclean animal. The wild boar haunts the Jordan valley to this day. Small pearls, called by jewellers seed-pearls, would resemble the pease or maize on which the swine feed. They would rush upon them when scattered, and, discovering the cheat, would trample upon them and turn their tusks upon the man who scattered them.

It is the simplicity of the good news that confounds the wise


Pro 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and scorners delight them in scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
Pro 1:24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
Pro 1:25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
Pro 1:26 I also will laugh in the day of your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
Pro 1:27 When your fear cometh as a storm, and your calamity cometh on as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish come upon you.


2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity that is toward Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or if ye receive a different spirit, which ye did not receive, or a different gospel, which ye did not accept, ye do well to bear with him.


A different gospel (euaggelion heteron). Similar use of heteron.
Ye do well to bear with him (kalōs anechesthe). Ironical turn again. “Well do you hold yourselves back from him” (the coming one, whoever he is). Some MSS. have the imperfect aneichesthe (did bear with).

1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [How many "foundations" are being laid here?]

Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took each of them his censer, and put fire therein, and laid incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he had not commanded them.
Lev 10:2 And there came forth fire from before the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.

Bishop Hall says, "It is a dangerous thing, in the service of God, to decline from his own institutions; we have to do with a God, who is wise to prescribe his own worship—just to require what he has prescribed—and powerful to avenge what he has not prescribed."

 

[Johann]

Too many folks are trusting too much in science and its costing them to LOSE faith
in GOD and the things that were written in the bible for our learning

Too many folks here are causing a diversion.

 

[Brakelite]

The Bible declares the virgin birth. No Mary was not sinless but she was a virgin until after Jesus was born. Your other information comes from Alexander Hislop's book The Two Babylons. Much of the book has been debunked. There was another book based on Hislop's called Babylon Mystery Religion but the author took it out of print and wrote another book refuting the first one because he said Hislop's sources were bogus. The Two Babylons - Wikipedia

I have never read those books. The whole idea I wrote of above came to me as I viewed those pictures that Jane posted. I personally don't see how such a scenario is impossible. Satan is a deceiver. Such a scenario fits his modus operandi perfectly.

 

[Lizbeth]

Both sarai and elizabeth were given a miracle of GOD in their old age . And both women had earthly fathers of their children .
Mary , Had no earthly father of Christ . The greater miracle by far is the Word became flesh .
As for biology and the sciences of men My advice is TRUST IN GOD who simply SPOKE the worlds into existance .
He SPOKE . God created all that is , Its not too difficult to beleive that HE could
have the WORD to become flesh with no earthen father at all involved . My advice is flee them sciences
and learn to trust as does a child IN GOD . if it is written in the bible , BELIEVE IT .
Its rather odd that many who profess to be christain have no problem believing in theories and scientific facts and fictions
YET when it cometh to the BOOK GOD inspired they sure seem to have a hard time trusting and believing in THE BOOK
and the TRUTH written therein . We cannot trust in men over GOD , so stop relying on science over the truth in the BIBLE .
Simply BELIEVE as a child in the miracle virgin birth of CHRIST , And that HE paid the price of our sins
and that HE died and ROSE again . Too many folks are trusting too much in science and its costing them to LOSE faith
in GOD and the things that were written in the bible for our learning .

Amen. Think that's the whole point of Christ being born of a virgin...that He was not begotten by man but by God. His Spirit overshadowed Mary, just the same as in the beginning the Spirit of God hovered over the face of the deep. That which was conceived in her is of the Holy SPIRIT.

We dont' have to logically understand these things, only BELIEVE by faith. Without FAITH it is impossible to please God. Like the subject of "trinity" these are mysteries we will probably never fully understand until we get to heaven, for now we only see in a glass darkly.

 

[RLT63]

I have never read those books. The whole idea I wrote of above came to me as I viewed those pictures that Jane posted. I personally don't see how such a scenario is impossible. Satan is a deceiver. Such a scenario fits his misfits operandi perfectly.

I thought I responded to someone else. The virgin and child were often represented in pagan culture by Semeramus and Tamuz. But Hislop's work was more of a hit-piece on the Catholic Church than an actual academic study. I can find enough to disagree with the Catholic Church without making stuff up.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Two kinds of questions
Dokimadzo
Peiradzo
Most here are asking in a surreptitious ekpeiradzo

I don’t understand all those big words
I did look them up…and I still don’t understand them.
But I like the way you quoted

 

[Brakelite]

It is evident that the creative "days" were not 24 hour periods. The Hebrew word for "day" (yôm) can also mean a period of unspecified length. What is time to a timeless Creator? Each day could have been thousands or even millions of years long.

For someone who said that the Hebrew word for day could and can mean something other than 24 hours, you are very certain in your bolded part above, it is evident they were not.
I have a question if you are willing to stick to your million or thousand or whatever option. How did the plants, the trees bearing fruit, the grass etc which were created on the 3rd day, survive millions of years without the sun, which scripture says was created on the 4th? And can you explain why God waited millions of years to create mankind, which if we understand God at all, was the ultimate purpose of the exercise? And over those millions of years, the numbers of fish, animals and birds presumably were multiplying inexorably to how many do you think? And none of them were dying because sin hasn't entered yet into the picture to bring death. I think your theory has some issues.

 

[Johann]

I don’t understand all those big words
I did look them up…and I still don’t understand them.
But I like the way you quoted

Lol! Vic, if you can, here, it's free, amatnat hachesed to you.
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[RLT63]

The Bible declares the virgin birth. No Mary was not sinless but she was a virgin until after Jesus was born. Your other information comes from Alexander Hislop's book The Two Babylons. Much of the book has been debunked. There was another book based on Hislop's called Babylon Mystery Religion but the author took it out of print and wrote another book refuting the first one because he said Hislop's sources were bogus. The Two Babylons - Wikipedia

Sorry Brakelite I responded to the wrong person. I meant to respond to Aunty Jane. Sorry about that.

 

[RLT63]

I have never read those books. The whole idea I wrote of above came to me as I viewed those pictures that Jane posted. I personally don't see how such a scenario is impossible. Satan is a deceiver. Such a scenario fits his modus operandi perfectly.

Sorry, I thought I was responding to Aunty Jane, got you by mistake

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I’m guessing now that you’d rather not say.

I'm curious what leads you to ask the question.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Water. The earth was covered in water because it says that God's spirit was hovering over the waters......God parted the waters so that dry land appeared. God also made a division between the waters that were on the earth and waters that were above the earth's atmosphere.
Peter said that God used the water canopy above the earth to flood it in Noah's day. (2 Peter 3:5-6)

That was my point though. The earth was without form and void. Amorphous.
There could be no waters because there was no formed earth .

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

What else other than deep oceans. The globe of the earth was encased in water to begin with. So why do you have a problem with this? "Void" means devoid of living creatures.

Without form means?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Incorrect.
Before Abraham was (prin Abraam genesthai). Usual idiom with prin in positive sentence with infinitive (second aorist middle of ginomai) and the accusative of general reference, “before coming as to Abraham,” “before Abraham came into existence or was born.”
I am (egō eimi). Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God. The contrast between genesthai (entrance into existence of Abraham) and eimi (timeless being) is complete. See the same contrast between en in Joh_1:1 and egeneto in Joh_1:14. See the contrast also in Psa_90:2 between God (ei, art) and the mountains (genēthēnai). See the same use of eimi in Joh_6:20; Joh_9:9; Joh_8:24, Joh_8:28; Joh_18:6.

Yes, that is all copied from this uncredited resource.
John 8:58 (AMP) - Robertson's Word Pictures (NT)

 

[Matthias]

I'm curious what leads you to ask the question.

For better or for worse, this is a segregated online community. Being or not being a trinitarian has certain consequences here.

You made a comment recently to a non-trinitarian member about their status as a Christian. That caused me to ask if you are a trinitarian.

Some trinitarians deny that other trinitarians are Christians. Some trinitarians deny that non-trinitarians are Christians. Some non-trinitarian Christians deny that other non-trinitarian Christians are Christian.

I’m aware that you self-identify as Christian. Are you a trinitarian Christian or are you a non-trinitarian Christian?

This isn’t an inquisition. You’re under no obligation whatsoever to answer.

However, I will say this. It’s highly unusual for a trinitarian not to announce that he or she is trinitarian.

Why would a trinitarian conceal or choose not to disclose that information from others, especially on a trinitarian affirming forum? I don’t know, but it makes me wonder.

 

[Johann]

Yes, that is all copied from this uncredited resource.

I think I have an advantage over you since you all study online, having said that, since when is Robertson an "uncredited" resource?


Word Pictures in the New Testament
Author(s): Robertson, Archibald Thomas (1863-1934)
Publisher: Grand Rapids, MI: Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Description: A. T. Robertson was a renowned Greek New Testament
scholar. His work on the Greek language is still consulted
today. Word Pictures in the New Testament is his insightful
treatment of that book. In the Greek New Testament, there
are a variety of meaningful pictorial nuances implicit in the
Greek constructions. These nuances are often lost in translation. Word Pictures in the New Testament explains them.
Robertson examines Greek constructions from many different
Testament passages. He provides background to many of
the Greek words and their connotations in the original Greek,
thereby shedding new light on the meaning of passages.
Many readers have gained a new, richer understanding of
the New Testament by studying Word Pictures in the New
Testament. And although no technical knowledge is required
to study this work, familiarity with the Greek language makes
this work much easier to digest. Consequently, it is ideal for
pastors, theologians, and students of the New Testament.
Tim Perrine
CCEL Staff Writer

Can you provide proof that Robertson, Archibald Thomas was a fraud, uneducated, such as yourself, and "uncredited?"