Were Adam and Eve the first humans on Earth?

[TheHC]

Why not directly educate Satan to be a spirit that does not tempt people…

An intelligent person has to want God’s education… Jehovah never forces anyone against their Free Will.

…and then create new human beings?

There were issues dealing with rulership that were raised, and are still in the process of getting resolved..
Creating new humans would have not settled those issues, of which all the angels were watching.

Plus, as descendants of Adam & Eve,… if God had done that, then we wouldn’t have existed.

…Or simply eliminate Satan directly

There again, it wouldn’t have settled the issue, if mankind can rule themselves. Remember, God’s entire spirit family was watching.

Isn’t that what tyrants do, just kill the opposition?
However, resolving the issues, and the outcomes that are reached, sets precedents, and no further questioning of God’s rulership will be allowed.
A lot of wisdom is seen in that way of handling the rebellion.

Maybe not the entire Book of Enoch is canon. Maybe not all of it is equally inspired.

Very reasonable in reaching such a conclusion! I say that, because it’s entire content is not included in the 66-book canon.

Someday, we can personally ask Enoch… He might say, “Hey! I never wrote or said this part!”

Take care, cousin.

 

[soberxp]

An intelligent person has to want God’s education… Jehovah never forces anyone against their Free Will.

There were issues dealing with rulership that were raised, and are still in the process of getting resolved..
Creating new humans would have not settled those issues, of which all the angels were watching.

Plus, as descendants of Adam & Eve,… if God had done that, then we wouldn’t have existed.

There again, it wouldn’t have settled the issue, if mankind can rule themselves. Remember, God’s entire spirit family was watching.

Isn’t that what tyrants do, just kill the opposition? Resolving the issues, and the outcomes that are reached, sets precedents, and no further questioning of God’s rulership will be allowed.
A lot of wisdom is seen in that way of handling the rebellion.

So if the way of educating Satan doesn't work and the way of destroying Satan doesn't work either, then what other methods are there?

Haven't you considered that God chose both ways at the same time?

You seem to be replying to the wrong place, that's another post.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

But again this is where it diverges. Nowhere in the OT do we find the spirits of humans leaving their body to become ghosts and to hang around the earth to torment people. This is what is suggested about the Nephilim…but all humans perished in the flood, including the Nephilim. It was their errant fathers who were forced back into the spirit realm where they thereafter had their ability to materialize curtailed.

The fathers of the Nephilim were the fallen angels (the “sons of God” in Genesis 6), and their offspring — the Nephilim — were not human. That’s the point. They were hybrid abominations, a forbidden mixture of divine beings and human women. What we would understand today as genetic abominations.

And that’s why God judged the world with a flood.

“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.” (Genesis 6:4)

The early Jewish understanding — confirmed in the Book of Enoch, Jubilees, and echoed in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 — is that when the Nephilim died, their disembodied spirits had no place to go. They weren’t fully human (so not judged like humans), and they weren’t angelic (so not cast to Tartarus like their fathers). They became unclean spirits — what Jesus and the apostles later refer to as demons.

That’s why demons crave bodies.

That’s why they’re “restless.”

That’s why they fear the abyss.

You won’t find a single verse in the Old Testament describing dead humans wandering the earth as tormenting spirits. But you will find plenty of references to unclean spirits in the New Testament — and none of them are called fallen angels.

So if demons aren’t fallen angels, and they aren’t human ghosts, what are they?

1 Enoch 15:8–12

“And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling.”

This puts Genesis 6 into sharper context.
It explains what happened to the Nephilim after the Flood — their bodies died, but their spirits remained. These disembodied Nephilim became what we now call demons: cursed, restless, violent, and bound to the earth until final judgment.

They’re not fallen angels, and they’re not human ghosts.
They are the bastard spirits of a forbidden union — and that’s why Jesus encountered them constantly.
That’s why they fear the Abyss.
And that’s why this passage in Enoch matters — it connects the flood, the origin of demons, and the spiritual war still raging today.

The flood wiped out their bodies — not their spirits.

And now those spirits roam the earth, angry, defiled, and seeking flesh.

Jesus knew exactly who and what He was casting out.

The early church did too.

It’s only modern theology that decided to “demythologize” what the Bible made clear.

 

[Jericho]

Are these sources "inspired"?

Why does it need to be "inspired"?

 

[Berean]

Why does it need to be "inspired"?

Because if you believe God's Word, then Adam and Eve were the first humans and sources outside of God's Word that teach contrary to it, is just human reasoning.

 

[Jericho]

Because if you believe God's Word, then Adam and Eve were the first humans and sources outside of God's Word that teach contrary to it, is just human reasoning.

Just because something isn't "inspired" doesn't mean it's not useful. The Bible doesn't tell us everything. For instance, it doesn't tell us about dinosaurs, yet we know they existed. There's still a lot we don't know about our own prehistory. We try to fill in the gaps as best we can, but there are some things we can't know with certainty.

Regarding Adam and Eve, such theories don't contradict that they were unique creations. But when God created Adam and Eve, His very first command to them was to “replenish (mālā') the earth” (Gen 1:28). The wording suggests that something must have existed prior to Adam and Eve because you can’t replenish something that’s already been plenished. Some argue that the word “replenish” simply means to fill, and that is how some Bible translations have translated the Hebrew word mālā'. However, God also told Noah and his sons to “fill (mālā') the earth” (Gen 9:1). In both cases, the same Hebrew word, mālā', is used. Clearly then, the earth was filled with something before Noah’s flood. If “fill” meant to replenish the earth in Genesis 9:1, then it stands to reason that it also meant the same in Genesis 1:28. So, the question is, did something come before them like Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons? I'll be the first to admit that I don't have all the answers.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Were Adam and Eve the first humans on Earth?

God said in His Word that when He created man, Adam and Eve were the first two.

Any beings present previous to Adam and Eve being created were not humans created in God's Image.

This is a short conversation for those that believe what God says in His Word.

Those listening to spirits that are not of the Lord will not accept what God says and speculate endlessly.

 

[Aunty Jane]

when God created Adam and Eve, His very first command to them was to “replenish (mālā') the earth” (Gen 1:28). The wording suggests that something must have existed prior to Adam and Eve because you can’t replenish something that’s already been plenished. Some argue that the word “replenish” simply means to fill, and that is how some Bible translations have translated the Hebrew word mālā'. However, God also told Noah and his sons to “fill (mālā') the earth” (Gen 9:1). In both cases, the same Hebrew word, mālā', is used. Clearly then, the earth was filled with something before Noah’s flood. If “fill” meant to replenish the earth in Genesis 9:1, then it stands to reason that it also meant the same in Genesis 1:28. So, the question is, did something come before them like Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons? I'll be the first to admit that I don't have all the answers.

”The question is, did something come before them like Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons?”
The answer is no, if you follow the Bible alone.
If we consult the Bible to see where this word in Hebrew (mālā… Strongs H4390) is used elsewhere, we can get a consensus as what it means elsewhere in Genesis and other Bible books.

Gen 6:11, 13….”Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled H4390 with violence.”
”Then God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has comebefore Me; for the earth is filled H4390 with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.“ (NASB)
”Replenish” is not appropriate in these verses.

Nor in this one.
Gen 21:19…”Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water; and she went and filled H4390 the skin with water and gave the lad a drink.”

Exodus 1:7…”But the sons of Israel were fruitful and increased greatly, and multiplied, and became exceedingly mighty, so that the land was filled H4390 with them.”

So taking this word at its primary meaning, is to “fill” what was empty, or to bring up the numbers to fill up a location with people.
“Replenish” just doesn’t fit with the narrative In relation to the garden of Eden, or in relation to what God restated to Noah. Both apply to an empty earth devoid of people, except the ones who were told to multiply.

With evolution, we know it is embellished evidence to fit their theory…..suggestions masquerading as facts.
Are Bible translators also guilty of the same problem? Are they trying to alter the meaning of words to fit their own narrative?
If other humans existed before Adam and his wife, then that destroys the whole reason why Christ came to redeem mankind, sold under sin and death through Adam’s disobedience. (Rom 5:12)

As the first humans, Adam and his wife were the first of a unique species, who alone possessed the attributes of their Creator, the only creatures to be “made in his image”.
Humans are superior to any animal in their ability to plan and deliberately and thoughtfully execute those plans with a concept of past, present and future. Animals have no concept of the future as they consciously live only in the present, but can acquire knowledge from past experience.
Instinct is programmed into them, but not so much with us. We learn through the spoken and written word, and by example we teach our children how to behave appropriately, according to a moral code instilled by our own parents. It is obvious that animals do not have a moral code.

As for the existence of Neanderthals and such…..these were often portrayed in artist’s impressions as humanoid, but also ape-like….and this was supposed to be proof that a type of ape-man existed. But researchers began to alter their view of what these creatures actually were, as more evidence began to accumulate. Back in 2009, Milford H. Wolpoff wrote in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology that “Neandertals may have been a true human race.” And to suggest that primitive people must have descended from apes, denigrates those primitive people who still exist in some parts of the world, even in this 21st century.

Those early reconstructions showed Neanderthals to be stooped and apelike, with long arms dangling down in front, we now have anthropologist‘s testimony that “Neanderthals probably did not look very different from some people of today.” It is now believed that they were “completely human, fully erect.”

Honest observers readily recognize that egos, money, and the need for media attention influence the way that “evidence” for human evolution was presented in the past and still is. Are we willing to put our trust in such evidence?

I’ll trust the Bible, written by someone who was there…and who created it all….way more reliable IMHO.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I almost forgot one of the most disturbing parts..

There are no ghosts. That little girl in the hallway? That voice calling your name? That shadow that moves when you’re alone? It’s not your grandmother. It’s not a soul in limbo. It’s not “energy” or “unfinished business.”

What you’re experiencing — what billions have been deceived into calling “paranormal” — is the spirit of a dead Nephilim. A demon. The cursed offspring of divine beings and human women (Genesis 6:4), wiped out in the Flood, but whose spirits were left behind by God’s decree (1 Enoch 15:8–12). They are not fully man, nor angel, and they are hated by Heaven. Their judgment was to remain earthbound — bodiless, violent, and forever hungry (Matthew 12:43).

These are the spirits Jesus confronted — the ones that shrieked when He approached (Mark 1:23–24), the ones who begged Him not to cast them into the Abyss before the appointed time (Luke 8:31). And they still speak today — through Ouija boards, séances, EVP recordings, and entertainment masquerading as ghost stories. They don’t want to spook you — they want to enter you. They don’t look like monsters — they wear the faces of those you mourn. That’s how they gain access. And once you give them your attention, they start rewriting your reality.

Think of them as judgment — not a fluke, but a filter.
They are allowed to remain on earth not because God is powerless, but because He uses them to sift the hearts of men (Deuteronomy 13:3, 2 Thessalonians 2:11). What you chase in grief or curiosity, He uses to test your allegiance. You’re not speaking with the dead — you’re choosing sides in a spiritual war.

 

[TheHC]

So if the way of educating Satan doesn't work and the way of destroying Satan doesn't work either, then what other methods are there?

I’m sorry, maybe i wasn’t clear….
Destroying Satan does work.
But the issues raised in Eden, needed to be addressed. Once they are completely resolved, Satan will be removed permanently. As in, destroyed.

God is perfectly justified in killing His enemies. By doing so, He’s usually protecting the righteous.