Were Adam and Eve the first humans on Earth?

[ProDeo]

That “school of thought” you're describing — the idea that there were two separate human lines in Genesis, and that the “sons of God” were just the descendants of Seth — is a post-biblical invention, not something rooted in the ancient worldview or supported by the actual language of Scripture. It was crafted centuries after Christ, largely to neutralize the explosive supernatural truth of what Genesis 6 really records. And the truth is: the “sons of God” in Genesis 6:2 were not humans. They were angelic beings — the Watchers — who rebelled against God, descended to earth, and took human women as wives, not out of love or affection, but through domination and lust. From these unnatural unions came the Nephilim: hybrid giants and genetic monstrosities who defiled the earth, ravaged creation, and corrupted mankind so completely that God was left with no choice but to wipe the slate clean.

For what it’s worth, I’ve completed a doctoral thesis on this subject.

The phrase “sons of God” in Hebrew — bene ha’elohim — is used consistently in the Old Testament to describe divine beings, not humans. You see it in Job 1:6 and Job 38:7, where it clearly refers to angelic entities in the presence of God. There is no grammatical or contextual reason to suddenly reinterpret it as referring to mortal men in Genesis 6 — unless you're intentionally trying to erase the supernatural from the text.

And that’s exactly what happened.

The Book of Enoch (1 Enoch), a deeply respected Jewish text that predates Christ and was even quoted directly in Jude 1:14–15, spells this out in detail. It names the 200 fallen angels who made a pact to corrupt humanity—led by Semyaza, the chief of the rebellion, and Azazel, whom many rabbinical scholars identify as Satan’s true name. These Watchers descended on Mount Hermon and fathered monstrous hybrid offspring: the Nephilim. These beings weren’t myths — they were real. They devoured the land, taught forbidden knowledge to mankind, and unleashed chaos across creation. When the Flood wiped them out, their disembodied spirits — neither fully human nor fully angel — became what we now call demons (1 Enoch 15:8–12). This is why demons crave bodies: they once had flesh, and they were never meant to exist in the first place.

But when Rome institutionalized the Church, it intentionally excluded the Book of Enoch from the biblical canon. Why? Because it was too dangerous. It explained too much. It showed where evil really came from — not just “sin,” but interdimensional rebellion that shattered the order of heaven and earth. So a new theory was created: the Sethite vs. Cainite lineage interpretation. It sounded safe, clean and rational. It stripped the divine conflict from Scripture and replaced it with moralistic allegory. And for centuries, people just nodded along, never realizing they had been robbed of the actual war behind the veil.

But Scripture, Enoch, the words of Jesus, and the writings of the early Church Fathers all agree: the “sons of God” were supernatural beings. The Nephilim were real. And the demons that still torment this world are the cursed remnants of an ancient rebellion that God judged with fire and flood. Don’t let Rome’s censorship or modern seminaries’ fear of the supernatural keep you from seeing the true cosmic backdrop of Genesis.

According to 1 Enoch 10:4–12 and 1 Enoch 18:12–16, the fallen angels — the Watchers — were spiritually bound by God beneath the earth, imprisoned under jagged rocks in utter darkness until the day of final judgment. They are not free. Their punishment was severe, sealed by the archangels at God’s command. But their offspring — the Nephilim — were not bound. When their monstrous bodies were destroyed in the Flood, their spirits were cursed to wander the earth. These became the demons — disembodied, restless, and vicious. Unlike their angelic fathers, they were born of both heaven and earth but belong to neither. As 1 Enoch 15:8–12 makes clear, they now roam the world as unclean spirits, corrupting, oppressing, and deceiving mankind — the lingering echo of a rebellion that once tore open the sky.

And believe me when I say — what you’ve just read barely scratches the surface. A full explanation of everything involved would easily span ten entire pages or more.

That's why there was the Flood, to kill the satanic seed meant to mess and prevent the blood line of Christ and start all over.

Even Paul believed the Enoch interpretation of Gen 6.

1 Cor 11:10 That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

Out of the blue, no context.

 

[Wick Stick]

Not my New Testament. It's absolutely spot on with everything.

Mmmm hmmm...

1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The Nephilim weren’t fully wiped out.
Genesis 6:4 doesn’t stutter:
“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days — and also afterward…”

What are you missing here? The stutter is obvious when you read on.
Gen 7:21-24…
”So all living creatures that were moving on the earth perished—the flying creatures, the domestic animals, the wild animals, the swarming creatures, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 So He wiped every living thing from the surface of the earth, including man, animals, creeping animals, and the flying creatures of the sky. They were all wiped off the earth; only Noah and those with him in the ark survived. 24 And the waters continued overwhelming the earth for 150 days.”

You are arguing with Scripture. The Nephilim were eliminated as all air breathers were….even though they were hybrids, they were still human, and we have no record of them breeding, as is usual with hybrids…..as they are invariably sterile…….and there was no “spirit” in them to go anywhere when their bodies perished….since the “spirit” is “the breath of life”…..”nᵊšāmâ”, it is the same “breath” that was given to animate Adam and he “became a living soul”. (Gen 2:7) When Adam stopped breathing….he died.

You are conflating “spirit” and “soul” when they are two entirely different things.

The “afterward“ in that statement, I believe you have misinterpreted…you didn’t include the rest of the verse….
”The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.“ (ESV)

This is still before the flood, not after it. The fallen angels were still producing the Nephilim, and Noah was childless when he received warning about the flood and God’s extreme displeasure about what these rebels were doing. There had to be time for Noah to have his three sons and then for them to grow, and to take wives for themselves. Then there was the task of building such an immense structure with only four men and rudimentary tools, from scratch, following God’s clearly stated instructions. It would have taken the 120 years that he told Noah, to get it all done. (Gen 6:2-3)

Afterward” = post-Flood.
That’s not interpretation. That’s Scripture.
Later, in Numbers 13:33, the Israelite spies say:
“We saw the Nephilim there… we seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes.”

Numbers 13:33 is not talking about the Nephilim of Noah’s day who perished in the flood….”nāp̄îl” is a word that simply means “giants” or “fellers of men” “those who cause others to fall”.
These “giants” were “the sons of Anak”….simply a race of people with the genetic trait of being unusually tall, like the Maasai in Africa. The Nephilim did not breed.
The only people from whom anyone after the flood could learn of the Nephilim was from Noah and his family who were the ONLY survivors of the flood, and we know what embellishments people like to make with what becomes in time, folklore.

These weren’t just big humans. They were hybrid remnants. Survivors or new offspring of a second incursion.
You see their legacy in:
The Anakim
The Rephaim
Goliath
Og of Bashan, whose bed was over 13 feet long

Nowhere does it suggest that these were the same ”Nephilim” as those before the flood. Even today we have those with a condition known as “gigantism” (acromegaly) caused by excess growth hormone.

The influence of the Watchers didn’t vanish in the Flood — it mutated, hid, and infiltrated post-Flood bloodlines. It bled forward through the ages, possibly embedding itself in the elite families and occult power structures that still manipulate the world today. Genesis doesn’t say 'afterward' by accident — it says it because the threat survived.

No one survived the flood but Noah and his family, so you cannot state this with any accuracy. That is supposition and it is not substantiated by anything the Bible says about the Nephilim of Noah’s day.

The demon angels who produced those monstrous children, did survive the flood but they had the ability to materialize taken away from them. Demons cannot materialize any more, so they have to rely on possession to have their way with humans…..this is why Israel had strict laws about occult practices and forbade the presence of spirit mediums in all their territory. (Deut 18:9-12) Whilst the nations around them practiced magical arts and spiritism, Israel did not. Would God then allow his Christian worshippers to dabble in such things? Or would the same rules apply?
The Greek word for “practice of spiritism” is phar·ma·kiʹa, which literally means “druggery.” Do the math.
In this world of drug abuse, demons have unlimited access to those who fool around with the spirit world.


The “watchers”…who were they, and what did they do to earn this title?
The “watchers” were those who kept watch as their name suggests. They could be human or angelic.

In Daniel 4:13, 17 Nebuchadnezzar was relating his dream to Daniel and says…

“I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a watcher, a holy one, came down from heaven. . . . . The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men” (ESV)

These have the role of guardians who keep watch over the ones they are called on to protect. In this instance the watcher came to Nebuchadnezzar as a warning about something terrible that would befall him….and it happened just as Daniel said it would when he interpreted the dream. When the king recovered his sanity he knew that Daniel’s God was the one who governs what will take place here on earth and even the most powerful rulers must bow to his will. Nothing and no one exists, except by God’s permission in accord with his stated will.

Demons are not fallen angels — they’re disembodied Nephilim.
This is key. You and I agree: the Watchers were bound.
But their offspring — the Nephilim — were not.

Their giant bodies drowned in the Flood, but their spirits — twisted, half-breed abominations — had nowhere to go.
1 Enoch 15:8–12 lays it out:
“The spirits of the giants… shall be called evil spirits on the earth… their dwelling shall be upon the earth… They shall afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction.”

Again you have to resort to a non-canonical book that does not tell the same story as the accepted books of the Bible do. If it was meant to be a part of the Scriptures, it would have been included….there is a reason why it is missing…it is contradictory.

The “spirits” dwelling on the earth are the same ones that possessed people in Jesus’ day. The very same demons who produced monstrous children before the flood….but have never been “seen” since.

 

[Aunty Jane]

4. About Sheol and the soul.
You're right that the ancient Hebrew understanding of Sheol was shadowy. But you're only telling half the story. The New Testament shatters that ambiguity.

In Luke 16, Jesus describes a conscious, suffering man in torment — not “asleep.”

Luke 16 was a parable….not to be taken literally. This parable was about two classss of people who changed places…..the Pharisees pictured by the rich man, and the beggar who pictured the spiritually malnourished common people whom the Pharisees neglected except for a few crumbs, usually delivered in condemnation.

The “Bosom of Abraham“ is a position of favor with God, the Pharisees lost it but the beggar gained it. Each died to their former life.

In Revelation 6, the souls of the martyrs cry out from beneath the altar — not in silence.

These martyrs, long dead are pictured where? Have they been sitting beneath the alter for thousands of years? Or is this a symbolic cry like that of Abel’s blood crying out to God for justice? (Gen 4:9-10)

In Matthew 17, Jesus speaks to Moses and Elijah — not to corpses or metaphors.

Jesus said it was a “vision” (Matt 17:9) shared by these apostles in fulfuillment of a promise he made just days earlier.

The transfiguration probably took place at night, for the apostles “were weighed down with sleep.” (Luke 9:32); At night the event would be more vivid, and they did spend the night on the mountain, for it was not until the next day that they descended. (Luke 9:37)
Just how long the transfiguration lasted…..the Bible does not say.

Jesus promised that some of his disciples would “not taste death at all” until they had first seen “the Son of man coming in his kingdom,” or “the kingdom of God already come in power.” (Matt 16:28; Mark 9:1)

So according to Jewish belief, there are no immortal souls floating about in heaven, as all are asleep in their graves (Sheol) awaiting a resurrection.…and since no one was resurrected into the kingdom before Jesus, it could not have been literally Moses or Elijah, but it is what their presence represented in this vision….Jesus as the glorious King of God’s Kingdom, along with Moses representing the Law, and Elijah representing the prophets.
“The Law and the prophets” make up a good deal of the Scriptures….all pointing to the coming kingdom.

Paul says to be “absent from the body is to be present with the Lord” (2 Cor 5:8).

As one of the elect, Paul, like all anointed Christians had to be absent from the body to be present with the Lord because “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom”….they have to shed their body of flesh in order to be ”born again” as spirit creatures…..all who inhabit the heavenly realm are spirits. Flesh and blood is confined to the earth, where God put them in the first place. Only he can change their form to become the same as Jesus is now.…a mighty spirit.

The soul does not cease. The body sleeps — the soul waits.
To say otherwise is to deny the full revelation of Scripture and fall back into a post-Watchtower rationalism that neuters the spiritual war at hand.

The soul is not the spirit….the soul is a living, breathing creature and at death the soul dies because the soul cannot exist without the body. Souls are mortal. (Ezek 4:18) Air in it’s lungs is what makes something a “soul”…like Adam.
Animals are also called “souls” (breathers) in Genesis, and Solomon confirmed that when sin entered the world, we became like the animals in death. Nowhere does God promise them everlasting life…that was offered to humans alone.
Solomon wrote….
”For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return.” (Eccl 3:19-20 ESV)
This is what God told Adam after he sinned…no heaven, no hell, just “back to the dust”. (Gen 3:19)

The Nephilim spirits are still here now.
Their bodies were destroyed, yes — but their disembodied spirits remain.
That’s what we’re dealing with today — the demons.

That is not what the Scriptures say…..you have added to them by suggesting what God’s word doesn’t say…..the Nephilim are long gone, but their disembodied spirit fathers remain. These are the demons who failed to keep their proper place. (Jude 6)
There is no record of the Nephilim breeding or producing offspring…as hybrids there was a genetic barrier…..the same barrier that keeps all species on earth, separated. God’s creation only mates with its own species…the Nephilim were not ordinary humans. It was their fathers in materialized bodies who forced themselves on women and produced offspring, not the Nephilim.….they were the monstrous product, but not the source of the problem.

That’s the war Jesus confronted, and that’s the same war we’re still in.

Indeed we are in a war…and one that we fight with spiritual weapons, most especially “the sword of the spirit”…God’s word. By adhering carefully to what it teaches, we will not be led astray by conjecture or inference….but on sold biblical facts. (2 Tim 3:16-17)

 

[Berean]

They were the first humans, though there is a theory there was a pre-Adamic civilization. I don't know. Even if that were true, I don't think they were human like us.

And what are your sources?

 

[Berean]

Was Paul correct in saying that death came through Adam, so did animals and people who lived before Adam not die?

Paul stated in Romans 5:12, 16-18 - "through one man [Adam] sin entered the world ... through one Man’s righteous act [Jesus] the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life."

The Creator told Adam on Genesis 2:17; 3:3 "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” This tells us that mankind was created to live forever as long as they obey. While they were NOT immortal (life within oneself), they had everything at their disposal to live forever.

The scriptures say nothing about the animal life as to their life-span.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Luke 16 was a parable….not to be taken literally. This parable was about two classss of people who changed places…..the Pharisees pictured by the rich man, and the beggar who pictured the spiritually malnourished common people whom the Pharisees neglected except for a few crumbs, usually delivered in condemnation.

The “Bosom of Abraham“ is a position of favor with God, the Pharisees lost it but the beggar gained it. Each died to their former life.

These martyrs, long dead are pictured where? Have they been sitting beneath the alter for thousands of years? Or is this a symbolic cry like that of Abel’s blood crying out to God for justice? (Gen 4:9-10)

Jesus said it was a “vision” (Matt 17:9) shared by these apostles in fulfuillment of a promise he made just days earlier.

The transfiguration probably took place at night, for the apostles “were weighed down with sleep.” (Luke 9:32); At night the event would be more vivid, and they did spend the night on the mountain, for it was not until the next day that they descended. (Luke 9:37)
Just how long the transfiguration lasted…..the Bible does not say.

You’ve made your points clearly, but respectfully — your framework reduces the supernatural into allegory, and spiritual warfare into theological minimalism.

1. “It was just a parable.”
Jesus didn’t tell fictional parables to teach falsehood. In Luke 16, He depicts conscious souls — one in torment, one in peace — after death. There’s a chasm. There’s awareness, there’s memory. Jesus names Lazarus, something He never does in symbolic stories. And more importantly:

"They will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead." (Luke 16:31)
He foreshadows His resurrection. This is not a metaphor. It’s theology with teeth.

2. The Transfiguration was not just a dream.
The text says it was a vision only after it occurred — not that it was merely symbolic.

“And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.” (Matt 17:3)
They didn’t appear in metaphor. They appeared and spoke. And if Moses and Elijah were nothing more than theological props, why did the Father speak from the cloud afterward and say, “This is my beloved Son… listen to Him”?

This was a divine event, not dream theater. You say Elijah wasn't resurrected — yet Elijah never died. (2 Kings 2:11) He was taken alive. So his presence isn’t a problem — it’s a witness.

3. Paul’s “absent from the body” statement.
You claim “elect Christians” become spirit creatures and that’s why Paul said what he said. That’s a doctrinal filter, not the plain reading.

Paul is clear:
“To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.” (2 Cor 5:8)
He doesn’t say “after 2,000 years of soul sleep.” He says is, present tense. That’s the reality he longed for (Phil. 1:23). That’s what Stephen saw as he was dying — Jesus standing at the right hand of God (Acts 7:55-56). That’s not sleep. That’s glory.

4. On the soul and spirit.
You claim the soul is just breath, and therefore dies with the body. But Scripture treats the soul as distinct:

“Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul.” (Matt 10:28)
You don’t warn about killing something that ceases at death unless it still exists.
And animals may be living souls, but humans are made in the image of God, called into covenant, judged for eternity — that’s not true of goats or sheep. (Eccl. 3:19–20 isn’t doctrine; it’s Solomon in existential despair, not divine decree.)

5. Nephilim vs. Watchers.
You’re partly right — the Watchers were the original rebels (Jude 6), but you’re ignoring what Enoch (quoted by Jude) explicitly says:
“The spirits of the giants… shall be called evil spirits upon the earth… because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers.” (1 Enoch 15:8-12) That’s where demons come from. Not the Watchers. The Nephilim.

No, they didn’t have kids. No, they weren’t normal. That’s the point, they died in the Flood — and their disembodied spirits are what still torment the world today.

You said we’re in a war. I agree. But the war isn’t fought with safe interpretations and filtered doctrine — it’s fought by recognizing the real spiritual enemies and standing in the power of Christ’s victory.

Denying the supernatural doesn’t make you safe. It makes you blind on a battlefield.

 

[Berean]

1. The Nephilim weren’t fully wiped out.
Genesis 6:4 doesn’t stutter:
“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days — and also afterward…”

The term nephilim has the thought of “strong ones” or “heroes.” The double connotation is based on the time period that was involved. Just as some of our words have changed in meaning over the years, so did the word nephilim. Today we define it as “fallen ones.” “The sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them.” The children became “mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Nephilim include the children as well as the fallen angels, but there was a big difference between them. The angels that materialized were spirit beings, whereas their hybrid offspring, as a fixed product, were more closely identified with the earth. Since the hybrid children were physical beings, they could not dematerialize and thus were stuck here. As mighty men of renown, the hybrid children were superior to normal humans both physically and mentally, but not morally. The mythology of various nations goes back to a period when the heroes (and villains) were called gods, titans, and demigods. These fables are distortions of partial truths of the supernatural beings who existed before the Flood. As recorded in Numbers 13:32,33, when the 12 spies were sent to search out the land, ten of them came back with a fearful report of nephilim, “men of a great stature,” “giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants”; and they advised the Israelites not to go in and possess the land. Their report proves that the word nephilim was still part of the people’s vocabulary in Moses’ day. The statement “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that” has implications even after the Flood. None of the hybrid offspring survived the Flood, but one of the wives of Noah’s sons could have carried the contamination in her genes. The nephilim were not only fallen, but they were gibborim (big in size and strong) and heroes (originally). The mythology gods and demigods were heroes who were given names. In the Bible, named giants after the Flood were Og and Goliath (Num. 21:33,34; 1 Sam. 17:4-7). Amalek also has a suspicious history, and there were the Rephaim and the children of Anak (Gen. 15:20; Exod. 17:8-14; Num. 13:33). Hence the Bible contains vague references to the nephilim even after the Flood. Apparently, a genetic follow-through appeared after the Flood, but in God’s providence, those individuals were eliminated. At least one of Noah’s daughters in-law would thus have had angelic contamination in her genes.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The term nephilim has the thought of “strong ones” or “heroes.” The double connotation is based on the time period that was involved. Just as some of our words have changed in meaning over the years, so did the word nephilim. Today we define it as “fallen ones.” “The sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them.” The children became “mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Nephilim include the children as well as the fallen angels, but there was a big difference between them. The angels that materialized were spirit beings, whereas their hybrid offspring, as a fixed product, were more closely identified with the earth. Since the hybrid children were physical beings, they could not dematerialize and thus were stuck here. As mighty men of renown, the hybrid children were superior to normal humans both physically and mentally, but not morally. The mythology of various nations goes back to a period when the heroes (and villains) were called gods, titans, and demigods. These fables are distortions of partial truths of the supernatural beings who existed before the Flood. As recorded in Numbers 13:32,33, when the 12 spies were sent to search out the land, ten of them came back with a fearful report of nephilim, “men of a great stature,” “giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants”; and they advised the Israelites not to go in and possess the land. Their report proves that the word nephilim was still part of the people’s vocabulary in Moses’ day. The statement “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that” has implications even after the Flood. None of the hybrid offspring survived the Flood, but one of the wives of Noah’s sons could have carried the contamination in her genes. The nephilim were not only fallen, but they were gibborim (big in size and strong) and heroes (originally). The mythology gods and demigods were heroes who were given names. In the Bible, named giants after the Flood were Og and Goliath (Num. 21:33,34; 1 Sam. 17:4-7). Amalek also has a suspicious history, and there were the Rephaim and the children of Anak (Gen. 15:20; Exod. 17:8-14; Num. 13:33). Hence the Bible contains vague references to the nephilim even after the Flood. Apparently, a genetic follow-through appeared after the Flood, but in God’s providence, those individuals were eliminated. At least one of Noah’s daughters in-law would thus have had angelic contamination in her genes.

Whether through genetic contamination in Noah’s daughters-in-law, or re-manifestation through continued spiritual rebellion, the post-Flood world wasn’t Nephilim-free. The Bible doesn’t stutter — it says they were here “in those days, and also afterward.” Period. The Flood wiped them out physically, but their demonic legacy — and possibly their genetics — clearly re-emerged.

Genesis 6:4 says:
“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days — and also afterward…”

There is no biblical timestamp saying the Nephilim had to vanish before the coming of Christ. In fact, Numbers 13:33 — hundreds of years after the Flood — shows the Nephilim still around, specifically referenced in the land of Canaan:

“We saw the Nephilim there… the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim.”

That’s not symbolic. That’s post-Flood, pre-Messiah, and it proves the bloodline — or the spiritual (demonic) influence — persisted.

Jesus Himself didn’t say the days of Noah were behind us.
He said they’d come again:

“As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.” — Matthew 24:37

Genesis 6:4 wasn’t sealed off at the Cross. The “afterward” is still echoing now.

The demonic spirits? The corrupted bloodlines? The spiritual war?
Still here. Still active.

That’s why the armor of God isn’t poetry. It’s survival gear.

 

[Writer]

I'm curious to know what are your thoughts?

 

[Berean]

I'm curious to know what are your thoughts?

Who are you talking too?

 

[Writer]

The term nephilim has the thought of “strong ones” or “heroes.” The double connotation is based on the time period that was involved. Just as some of our words have changed in meaning over the years, so did the word nephilim. Today we define it as “fallen ones.” “The sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them.” The children became “mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Nephilim include the children as well as the fallen angels, but there was a big difference between them. The angels that materialized were spirit beings, whereas their hybrid offspring, as a fixed product, were more closely identified with the earth. Since the hybrid children were physical beings, they could not dematerialize and thus were stuck here. As mighty men of renown, the hybrid children were superior to normal humans both physically and mentally, but not morally. The mythology of various nations goes back to a period when the heroes (and villains) were called gods, titans, and demigods. These fables are distortions of partial truths of the supernatural beings who existed before the Flood. As recorded in Numbers 13:32,33, when the 12 spies were sent to search out the land, ten of them came back with a fearful report of nephilim, “men of a great stature,” “giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants”; and they advised the Israelites not to go in and possess the land. Their report proves that the word nephilim was still part of the people’s vocabulary in Moses’ day. The statement “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that” has implications even after the Flood. None of the hybrid offspring survived the Flood, but one of the wives of Noah’s sons could have carried the contamination in her genes. The nephilim were not only fallen, but they were gibborim (big in size and strong) and heroes (originally). The mythology gods and demigods were heroes who were given names. In the Bible, named giants after the Flood were Og and Goliath (Num. 21:33,34; 1 Sam. 17:4-7). Amalek also has a suspicious history, and there were the Rephaim and the children of Anak (Gen. 15:20; Exod. 17:8-14; Num. 13:33). Hence the Bible contains vague references to the nephilim even after the Flood. Apparently, a genetic follow-through appeared after the Flood, but in God’s providence, those individuals were eliminated. At least one of Noah’s daughters in-law would thus have had angelic contamination in her genes.

It doesn't matter, because it doesn't change anything. Jesus is returning and this age will end at Armageddon sooner than later. The existence and termination of the nephilim is insignificant in this dispensation because the bible says we who are born again, are a new creation in this cosmos. there isn't a thing the nephilim and their past dilema's can do about it. We're better off preparing for things to come then pondering and meditating on nephilim and dinosaurs.

 

[Berean]

It doesn't matter, because it doesn't change anything.

I didn't start this thread, I simply responded to it!

 

[Jericho]

And what are your sources?

There are many books on this subject, "Another Time, Another Place, Another Man" by Finis J. Dake, for example.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I'm going to copy and paste my own post from another thread here, as I think its relevant to this conversation.

"You're welcome to adopt an allegorical interpretation, but let’s be clear: no ancient Jew, Second Temple writer, Qumran scribe, LXX translator, early Church Father, or New Testament author interpreted the ‘sons of God’ in Genesis 6 as humans. That idea is a late Roman revision. You’re not defending ancient faith — you’re defending Augustinian damage control.

The Catholic Church worships the fallen angels — it’s beyond obvious at this point. That’s why they buried the Book of Enoch 1700 years ago. It didn’t just clash with their doctrine — it blew the lid off what they were doing. Enoch exposes the Watchers, the hybrid offspring, the secret knowledge, and the divine judgment that followed. It draws a straight, unbroken line from angelic rebellion to human corruption, and ultimately to the systems of power that have always tried to masquerade as divine.

You think Rome — with its Egyptian obelisks, sun wheels, graven images, Vatican serpentine architecture, pine cone idols, Mithraic hats, Dagon fish miters, Babylonian stargates, Jesuit death oaths, basilicas shaped like inverted crosses, throne rooms shaped like the mouth of a serpent, crypts lined with bones, mass in Latin to hide the meaning, and paintings of Nephilim babies adorning their cathedral ceilings — just forgot Enoch?

Yeah, right.

Adam and Eve’s great-grandson —
Noah’s great-grandfather —
A man who “walked with God” and was taken without seeing death,”
who wrote down a firsthand account of what happened after Eden,
who was quoted directly by Jude,
and whose prophecies shaped the worldview of Jesus’ own disciples…

But sure.
That guy’s “unbiblical.”
Totally unreliable.

Meanwhile, you walk into the Vatican and it looks like a Book of Enoch nightmare brought to life —
a three-ring circus of Watcher worship, Nephilim iconography, serpent symbolism, and angelic rebellion painted as divine glory.

C'mon..

They didn’t reject Enoch because it was "false".
They rejected it because it was true — and dangerous to their system.
Because Enoch names them.
And exposes exactly what they’re still doing."

 

[Aunty Jane]

They didn’t reject Enoch because it was "false".
They rejected it because it was true — and dangerous to their system.
Because Enoch names them.
And exposes exactly what they’re still doing."

I agree with so much of what you write, but as for the Book of Enoch, that is where we differ.

Since the Bible canon was not the choice of any humans, (2 Tim 3:16-17) regardless of whom God used to publish it….and we know that even after doing so, “the church” forbade any common person to read it, only allowing the priests to disclose what it said.…and only after they had been conditioned by their hierarchy to teach the Roman Catholic interpretation of it.
Having no way to prove or to disprove the validity of what the RCC taught, allowed them to get away with theological ‘murder’ for centuries...proving that “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”…..nowhere is this more plainly evident than in the power wielded by the RCC during its 1500 year domination of “Christianity”…..but even those who abandoned “the church” after the Reformation for her multitude of failings, sadly they still retained a good deal of her religious errors and misinterpretation of Scripture.

The Book of Enoch is seen by its content as an apocryphal and pseudepigraphic text. It is therefore falsely ascribed to Enoch. Produced probably sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E., it is a collection of extravagant and unhistorical Jewish myths, evidently the product of exegetical elaborations on the brief Genesis reference to Enoch.
Like anything else pertaining to a false spiritual education, the devil will include some truth to make it appear to be wholly authentic.

In the Bible, only the book of Jude contains Enoch’s prophetic words…..

“Enoch, who lived seven generations after Adam, prophesied about these people when he said, “See, the Lord comes with his countless holy ones, to execute judgment on everyone and to convict everyone about every ungodly deed they have committed in their ungodliness as well as all the harsh things that sinful ungodly people have said against him.” These are faultfinding grumblers, living according to their own desires. They speak arrogant words and they show partiality to people when they want a favor in return. But you, dear friends, remember the words spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. They said to you, “In the end time scoffers will come living according to their own ungodly desires.” These people create divisions. Since they don’t have the Spirit, they are worldly. . . . . To the one who is able to protect you from falling, and to present you blameless and rejoicing before his glorious presence, to the only God our savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, belong glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, now and forever. Amen. ” (CEB Jude 14-19, 24-25)

Just to be clear…who was Jude? He was not an apostle, but speaks of himself as “a slave,” (not an apostle) of Jesus Christ; also he refers to the apostles in the third person as “they.” (Jude1 17-18) Though not an apostle, his short book is included in the canon….he was the half brother of Jesus, along with the book of James, the other half brother of Jesus, who was also not an apostle. Both of these men knew Jesus intimately through a lifetime of being in his company, before he became ”the Christ”. Initially they did not believe in him, (possibly through familiarity) but after his resurrection they changed completely to being his devoted disciples….and having a contribution to Christian Scripture.

Many scholars contend that Enoch’s prophecy against his ungodly contemporaries is quoted directly from the Book of Enoch.….but is it probable that Jude used an unreliable apocryphal book as his source?

How Jude knew of Enoch’s prophecy is not revealed in the Scriptures. He may simply have quoted a common source…..a reliable tradition handed down from remote antiquity….or from God’s spirit directly?
We can only assume what the Bible does not say exactly. But facts are not based on assumptions.

Stephen also provided information found nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures. It concerned Moses’ Egyptian education, his being 40 years old when he fled Egypt, the 40-year duration of his stay in Midian, and the angelic role in transmitting the Mosaic Law. (Acts 7:22-23; 30, 38)

So if we believe that the Bible as we receive it today in this “time of the end” is the accurate word of God, then we must accept it as it has come down to us, carefully examining its translations to make sure that they have not been tampered with. Original language word studies reveal a lot of biased inference taken with translation, but not seen in those original languages.

The Book of Enoch does not really reveal more than what the Bible does….which is why we need to study ALL of it. It tells us all we need to know, especially this close to “the end”.…..when “Babylon the great” is in her last moments. We are to “get out of her” at God’s command (Rev 18:4-5)…..but where do we go?

 

[Berean]

There are many books on this subject, "Another Time, Another Place, Another Man" by Finis J. Dake, for example.

Are these sources "inspired"?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I agree with so much of what you write, but as for the Book of Enoch, that is where we differ.

Since the Bible canon was not the choice of any humans, (2 Tim 3:16-17) regardless of whom God used to publish it….and we know that even after doing so, “the church” forbade any common person to read it, only allowing the priests to disclose what it said.…and only after they had been conditioned by their hierarchy to teach the Roman Catholic interpretation of it.
Having no way to prove or to disprove the validity of what the RCC taught, allowed them to get away with theological ‘murder’ for centuries...proving that “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”…..nowhere is this more plainly evident than in the power wielded by the RCC during its 1500 year domination of “Christianity”…..but even those who abandoned “the church” after the Reformation for her multitude of failings, sadly they still retained a good deal of her religious errors and misinterpretation of Scripture.

The Book of Enoch is seen by its content as an apocryphal and pseudepigraphic text. It is therefore falsely ascribed to Enoch. Produced probably sometime during the second and first centuries B.C.E., it is a collection of extravagant and unhistorical Jewish myths, evidently the product of exegetical elaborations on the brief Genesis reference to Enoch.
Like anything else pertaining to a false spiritual education, the devil will include some truth to make it appear to be wholly authentic.

In the Bible, only the book of Jude contains Enoch’s prophetic words…..

“Enoch, who lived seven generations after Adam, prophesied about these people when he said, “See, the Lord comes with his countless holy ones, to execute judgment on everyone and to convict everyone about every ungodly deed they have committed in their ungodliness as well as all the harsh things that sinful ungodly people have said against him.” These are faultfinding grumblers, living according to their own desires. They speak arrogant words and they show partiality to people when they want a favor in return. But you, dear friends, remember the words spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. They said to you, “In the end time scoffers will come living according to their own ungodly desires.” These people create divisions. Since they don’t have the Spirit, they are worldly. . . . . To the one who is able to protect you from falling, and to present you blameless and rejoicing before his glorious presence, to the only God our savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, belong glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, now and forever. Amen. ” (CEB Jude 14-19, 24-25)

Just to be clear…who was Jude? He was not an apostle, but speaks of himself as “a slave,” (not an apostle) of Jesus Christ; also he refers to the apostles in the third person as “they.” (Jude1 17-18) Though not an apostle, his short book is included in the canon….he was the half brother of Jesus, along with the book of James, the other half brother of Jesus, who was also not an apostle. Both of these men knew Jesus intimately through a lifetime of being in his company, before he became ”the Christ”. Initially they did not believe in him, (possibly through familiarity) but after his resurrection they changed completely to being his devoted disciples….and having a contribution to Christian Scripture.

Many scholars contend that Enoch’s prophecy against his ungodly contemporaries is quoted directly from the Book of Enoch.….but is it probable that Jude used an unreliable apocryphal book as his source?

How Jude knew of Enoch’s prophecy is not revealed in the Scriptures. He may simply have quoted a common source…..a reliable tradition handed down from remote antiquity….or from God’s spirit directly?
We can only assume what the Bible does not say exactly. But facts are not based on assumptions.

Stephen also provided information found nowhere in the Hebrew Scriptures. It concerned Moses’ Egyptian education, his being 40 years old when he fled Egypt, the 40-year duration of his stay in Midian, and the angelic role in transmitting the Mosaic Law. (Acts 7:22-23; 30, 38)

So if we believe that the Bible as we receive it today in this “time of the end” is the accurate word of God, then we must accept it as it has come down to us, carefully examining its translations to make sure that they have not been tampered with. Original language word studies reveal a lot of biased inference taken with translation, but not seen in those original languages.

The Book of Enoch does not really reveal more than what the Bible does….which is why we need to study ALL of it. It tells us all we need to know, especially this close to “the end”.…..when “Babylon the great” is in her last moments. We are to “get out of her” at God’s command (Rev 18:4-5)…..but where do we go?

I appreciate how much thought you’ve put into this, and we actually agree on more than it may seem. You rightly call out the Vatican’s centuries-long distortion of Scripture, the suppression of biblical access, and the lingering spiritual errors that still infect many Protestant traditions even post-Reformation. I’m with you on all of that.

But here's where we differ: you trust the Roman Catholic system to define what books are safe — even while saying that system was deeply corrupt. That’s the tension.

You said, “Just because Enoch was found doesn’t mean it belongs.”
Fair. But the deeper question is: who got to decide what “belongs”?

You say the Bible wasn't decided by men — and quote 2 Timothy 3:16. I believe that too. But that verse refers to “all Scripture” — and when Paul wrote it, the New Testament wasn’t canonized yet. It certainly didn’t exclude Enoch, because Enoch was still being read and respected by believers (as Jude demonstrates). So when exactly did God say “Enoch no longer counts”? He didn’t — men did.

Was the Book of Enoch falsely attributed to Enoch? Perhaps. So are the Psalms of Solomon. So is the book of Hebrews (we’re still not sure who wrote it). The name on the cover isn’t the measure — the fruit is.

And Enoch’s “fruit” is this:

It matches what Genesis says (Genesis 6:1–4)

It gives the clearest explanation for the origin of demons (which the NT affirms constantly)

It was revered by early Christians and church fathers (Tertullian, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr)

And most importantly — it’s directly quoted and attributed by Jude

“Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…” (Jude 14)
He didn’t say, “There’s a scroll that says...”
He said Enoch prophesied.

You asked: “Would Jude quote an unreliable source?”

That’s the real question — and it answers itself.
If the Holy Spirit inspired Jude to quote Enoch as prophecy, then that portion is prophecy — and it came from somewhere.

Maybe not the entire Book of Enoch is canon. Maybe not all of it is equally inspired. But when the New Testament directly names the prophet, quotes his words, and uses it as judgment language against apostates, that’s not fringe. That’s prophetic weight.

And lastly, you said “The Book of Enoch doesn’t really reveal more than the Bible does.” But here I must disagree:

The Bible says the angels sinned and are in chains (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 6) —
Enoch tells us exactly what they did, why they did it, and what came from it.

The Bible mentions the Nephilim — but only Enoch gives the theological and spiritual origin of demons that Jesus later casts out.

Revelation speaks of star-fallen angels, gates of the Abyss, and bound angels released at the Euphrates —
Enoch makes those things not symbolic, but clear.

So no, we don’t have to accept every apocryphal scroll to accept that Enoch holds truth.
We simply need to ask: what is bearing witness to Christ and His judgment?
And by that standard, Enoch speaks with fire.

“The Lord comes with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgment…”
Sound familiar? It should — it’s what Jesus said too.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I appreciate how much thought you’ve put into this, and we actually agree on more than it may seem. You rightly call out the Vatican’s centuries-long distortion of Scripture, the suppression of biblical access, and the lingering spiritual errors that still infect many Protestant traditions even post-Reformation. I’m with you on all of that.

But here's where we differ: you trust the Roman Catholic system to define what books are safe — even while saying that system was deeply corrupt. That’s the tension.

I actually have no trust in the Roman Catholic system to define books of the Bible…I trust the author who has the power to use humans in any way he chooses to accomplish his will. He will even use his enemies to his own advantage….so when the time was right for his library of 66 books to be compiled, I don’t believe that the church had much to do with it….contrary to popular belief.

If it is God’s word, I do not believe that man can interfere with what God has presented as his truth.

You said, “Just because Enoch was found doesn’t mean it belongs.”
Fair. But the deeper question is: who got to decide what “belongs”?

As above. Men may have decided that things were their choice…..God can let them have their delusions. (2 Thess 2:9-12) As long as his will is accomplished, he will determine who is worthy of his time and attention. (John 6:44; 65) He knows who the genuine “sheep” are.

You say the Bible wasn't decided by men — and quote 2 Timothy 3:16. I believe that too. But that verse refers to “all Scripture” — and when Paul wrote it, the New Testament wasn’t canonized yet. It certainly didn’t exclude Enoch, because Enoch was still being read and respected by believers (as Jude demonstrates). So when exactly did God say “Enoch no longer counts”? He didn’t — men did.

Again that is saying that men had control over what God’s word contained….I don’t believe they had any way to alter the truth that God wanted known…..it is his truth, not man’s……all they had was bad translation and the impenetrable influence of an apostate church that kept people in spiritual darkness and shackles for almost 2000 years. The Reformation did little to bring the truth to light for the Christian world, because the daughters took a lot of their mother’s dirty laundry with them.

There is a proper cleansing about to take place.

Mal 3:2….
”But who will endure the day of his coming, and who will be able to stand when he appears? For he will be like the fire of a refiner and like the lye of laundrymen.”

Was the Book of Enoch falsely attributed to Enoch? Perhaps. So are the Psalms of Solomon. So is the book of Hebrews (we’re still not sure who wrote it). The name on the cover isn’t the measure — the fruit is.

And Enoch’s “fruit” is this:

It matches what Genesis says (Genesis 6:1–4)

Agreeing with Scripture is not the problem…it’s when it diverges and contradicts that shows it’s origin.

It gives the clearest explanation for the origin of demons (which the NT affirms constantly)

But again this is where it diverges. Nowhere in the OT do we find the spirits of humans leaving their body to become ghosts and to hang around the earth to torment people. This is what is suggested about the Nephilim…but all humans perished in the flood, including the Nephilim. It was their errant fathers who were forced back into the spirit realm where they thereafter had their ability to materialize curtailed.

The place in Scripture called “Tartarus” (erroneously translated as “hell”) is where these rebels were sent….it is not a literal place but a condition of restraint, in virtual shackles themselves now, they roam the earth looking to cause people to fall for their lies and tricks…..so these are the demons, not the Nephilim.
There is no teaching of immortal souls in the Bible. The dead are dead (Eccl 9:5, 10)…..they are not conscious and cannot participate in life again until their resurrection. The Nephilim are not covered by Christ’s sacrifice, so they will never see life again.

 

[Aunty Jane]

It was revered by early Christians and church fathers (Tertullian, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr)

And most importantly — it’s directly quoted and attributed by Jude

“Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied…” (Jude 14)
He didn’t say, “There’s a scroll that says...”
He said Enoch prophesied.

You asked: “Would Jude quote an unreliable source?”

That’s the real question — and it answers itself.
If the Holy Spirit inspired Jude to quote Enoch as prophecy, then that portion is prophecy — and it came from somewhere.

Why could it not come from the Holy Spirit itself who inspired all scripture?
Even Jesus, as he has lived as long as creation has existed, (Col 1:15, 16) knew Enoch as viewed from his heavenly vantage point. Not everything Jesus said and did was written down. (John 21:25) Jesus could have been the one to convey this truth to Jude….we just don’t know.
There is a lot of assumption in what you suggest but it has to be backed up by the rest of God’s word.
I really appreciate your insights otherwise.

Maybe not the entire Book of Enoch is canon. Maybe not all of it is equally inspired. But when the New Testament directly names the prophet, quotes his words, and uses it as judgment language against apostates, that’s not fringe. That’s prophetic weight.

Yes, but not weighty enough to be proclaimed as absolute truth….and at the end of the day…what does it alter as to our expectations? We are expecting monumental changes as the world gears up for the finale’.
The past gives us foregleams of the future, but the reality of our times is what we should be concentrating on. The end is in sight.

And lastly, you said “The Book of Enoch doesn’t really reveal more than the Bible does.” But here I must disagree:

The Bible says the angels sinned and are in chains (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 6) —
Enoch tells us exactly what they did, why they did it, and what came from it.

So does Genesis, which is again confirmed by Peter.
2 Peter 2:4-8…
”Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned,but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 5 And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people. 6 And by reducing the cities of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah to ashes, he condemned them, setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come. 7 And he rescued righteous Lot, who was greatly distressed by the brazen conduct of the lawless people— 8 for day after day that righteous man was tormenting his righteous soul* over the lawless deeds that he saw and heard while dwelling among them.”

What do you see there? Angels cannot be chained physically, but they can be put under restraint having the ability to materialize taken away from them. The darkness is spiritual, the chains are not literal.

The divine pattern of justice is reiterated in what took place in Noah’s day, and for the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah….justice will again be done, as we on earth experience again what took place in Noah’s day and in the conduct of those wicked cities….each influenced by a wickedness that was inhuman…..IOW…not human.
It means something to those who study the Bible carefully. (Matt 24:37-39)

The wickedness of the devil, seen in these people’s conduct, is contrasted with the goodness of God…..equal opposites are what we see in all creation, but this is the one contrast that God wanted to keep from his children. He would dictate to them what was good, and keep a knowledge of evil from them….but they wanted to know and he had to show them, so that they could learn what consequences are. Rebellion…doing things “our way”…leads to nothing good.

The Bible mentions the Nephilim — but only Enoch gives the theological and spiritual origin of demons that Jesus later casts out.

I disagree because there was nothing in the Nephilim to leave their bodies to become demons to haunt the earth. Only the rebel angels had that option.…to dematerialize and go back to spirit form where God threw them into a state of confinement, so that they could not materialize again.
Where else do you think the father’s went?

Revelation speaks of star-fallen angels, gates of the Abyss, and bound angels released at the Euphrates —
Enoch makes those things not symbolic, but clear.

So no, we don’t have to accept every apocryphal scroll to accept that Enoch holds truth.
We simply need to ask: what is bearing witness to Christ and His judgment?
And by that standard, Enoch speaks with fire.

“The Lord comes with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgment…”
Sound familiar? It should — it’s what Jesus said too.

Yes, because that is what Scripture teaches….through it may not be what Christendom teaches.
To be clear, we are in the last ‘moments’ of earth’s rulership by the devil (1 John 5:19) We are not in any doubt as to who is running this show, and what the showdown will mean for redeemed humanity on this earth. (Rev 21:2-4)

Who will prove to be ready? And where will those who remove themselves from “Babylon the great” have to seek refuge? God has to have somewhere to send them….