Verifying The Time Prophecies By History.

[Hobie]

We see Christ declaring what would happen in Matthew 24..
Matthew 24:1-3
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

After Jesus described the destruction of the temple, His disciples asked, "When will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" In part of Jesus' answer He told them, Therefore when you see the "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place . . . then let those who are in Judea flee. . . .pointing to the destruction that was to come to the Temple and Jerusalem.

We see the prophecy being outlined in verse 15-20
Matthew 24:15-20
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

In 70 A.D. the city of Jerusalem as well as the temple was destroyed by the pagan armies of Roman Emperor Titus in fulfillment of the prophecy that Christ gave.
"Much of importance happened in Israel in AD 70, and many link the events of that time to prophecies in the Bible. In studying this subject, it’s good to remember that prophecy does not describe the future in the same way that history describes the past. That’s why there are varied interpretations of biblical prophecy. Predictions dealing with the end times, a category known as eschatology, are of particular interest to many people. Within modern Christianity, most of these discussions are less about which events are predicted than when the events will happen. The most common point of reference for these opinions is the significant year of AD 70, when the Romans destroyed the Jewish temple.

Virtually all Christian interpretations of biblical prophecy agree that several prophecies were fulfilled in or before AD 70. Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple (Luke 21:6; Matthew 24:2) and, some would argue, the Jewish genocide at the hands of Rome (Luke 23:27-31). Historically, these events align extremely well with Jesus’ statements. There is broad agreement within most Christian interpretations that these prophecies were literally fulfilled in AD 70."....https://www.gotquestions.org/AD-70.html

Jewish historian Josephus gives us a insight into this prophecy...

"Josephus wrote a comprehensive account of the Jewish Revolt, including the Fall of Jerusalem, in his work "The Jewish War".
His works provide one of the most detailed contemporary accounts of this period, although they must be read critically, considering his complex personal history and the potential for bias.

In the spring of AD 70, Titus gathered his forces around Jerusalem. His army consisted of about 60,000 men, including Roman legionaries, auxiliaries, and troops provided by regional allies.The siege lasted approximately five months. Initially, the Romans attempted to breach the city walls using siege towers and battering rams. When this failed, they resorted to a blockade, aiming to starve the city into submission. The conditions within the city quickly became desperate.

Food and water supplies dwindled, and disease spread among the inhabitants. Infighting among the Jewish factions also continued, further weakening the city's defenses. In the summer of AD 70, the Romans finally managed to breach the Third Wall, then the Second, and finally penetrated the heavily fortified First Wall, entering the Upper City.

One of the most significant and heart-wrenching events during the fall of Jerusalem was the destruction of the Second Temple.
According to historical accounts, the Roman soldiers set the Temple on fire, disregarding Titus's orders to spare it.

The Temple, a magnificent structure considered the heart of Jewish religious life, was reduced to ashes. This event occurred on the 9th day of the Hebrew month of Av, a date that is still observed by Jews today as Tisha B'Av, a day of mourning and fasting.

The fall of Jerusalem was also accompanied by significant loss of life. Josephus provides an account of the carnage, stating that the Romans killed many of the city's inhabitants. The city of Jerusalem was thoroughly sacked by the Romans. Buildings, homes, and walls were torn down, leaving the city in ruins.The level of devastation was such that Josephus claimed that those who visited the city after its destruction could scarcely believe it had ever been inhabited.

The Romans also carried off the treasures of the Temple as spoils of war, including the Menorah, which was famously depicted on the Arch of Titus in Rome."...https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/siege-of-jerusalem-ad-70/

History shows us much on the prophecies in the Bible, but we have to study both and compare so it verifies what we have in scripture.

 

[Hobie]

We see it again and more of this prophecy expanded on in Mark 13..
Mark 13:1-4
"1 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?"

And the sign again of its fulfillment..
Mark 13:14-18
"14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter."

We see more of what history shows of how the Christians were saved from the destruction..
"Eventually the Romans broke through the outer wall, then the second wall, and finally the third wall. Still the Jews fought, scurrying to the temple as their last line of defense. That was the end for the valiant Jewish defenders and for the temple. Historian Josephus claimed that Titus wanted to preserve the temple, but his soldiers were so angry at their resilient opponents that they burned it.

Where were the Christians? Out of town, basically. Many had been driven out of Jerusalem by persecution decades earlier. Eusebius wrote that when the revolt began, in A.D. 66, some of the remaining Jewish Christians fled to Pella, a city across the Jordan River." ..https://www.christianitytoday.com/1990/10/ad-70-titus-destroys-jerusalem/

 

[Hobie]

Luke shows much the same dialogue, but places it during the discussion of the widows two mites offering..
Luke 21:5-7
"5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

And the prophecy and a much more expanded description on the warning to flee..
Luke 21:20-21
"20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto."

But Luke adds a previous discussion in Luke 19 that Jesus had with the disciples that gave even more direct warning of what was to come..

Luke 19:41-43
"41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,"

History shows its fulfillment...
"Titus began the wall from the camp of the Assyrians, where his own camp was pitched, and drew it down to the lower parts of Cenopolis; thence it went along the valley of Cedron, to the Mount of Olives; it then bent towards the south, and encompassed the mountain as far as the rock called Peristereon, and that other hill which lies next it, and is over the valley which reaches to Siloam; whence it bended again to the west, and went down to the valley of the Fountain, beyond which it went up again at the monument of Ananus the high priest, and encompassing that mountain where Pompey had formerly pitched his camp, it returned back to the north side of the city, and was carried on as far as a certain village called "The House of the Erebinthi;" after which it encompassed Herod's monument, and there, on the east, was joined to Titus's own camp, where it began. Now the length of this wall was forty furlongs, one only abated. Now at this wall without were erected thirteen places to keep garrison in, whose circumferences, put together, amounted to ten furlongs; the whole was completed in three days; so that what would naturally have required some months was done in so short an interval as is incredible. When Titus had therefore encompassed the city with this wall, and put garrisons into proper places, he went round the wall, at the first watch of the night, and observed how the guard was kept; the second watch he allotted to Alexander; the commanders of legions took the third watch. "

..To contain the city of Jerusalem, Titus built a siege wall that looped around the valley outside the unbreached third wall and through the Roman-held sections1. The wall was forty furlongs long, with thirteen places to keep garrison in, whose circumferences, put together, amounted to ten furlongs2. Titus personally did rounds of the wall during the construction to ensure its completeness and to raise the men’s morale1. The goal of the wall was to restrict food from being smuggled into Jerusalem3.

Titus Thought Fit to Encompass the City Round with a Wall; after which the Famine Consumed the People by Whole Houses and Families Together.

 

[rwb]

Luke shows much the same dialogue, but places it during the discussion of the widows two mites offering..
Luke 21:5-7
"5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

And the prophecy and a much more expanded description on the warning to flee..
Luke 21:20-21
"20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto."

But Luke adds a previous discussion in Luke 19 that Jesus had with the disciples that gave even more direct warning of what was to come..

Luke 19:41-43
"41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,"

History shows its fulfillment...
"Titus began the wall from the camp of the Assyrians, where his own camp was pitched, and drew it down to the lower parts of Cenopolis; thence it went along the valley of Cedron, to the Mount of Olives; it then bent towards the south, and encompassed the mountain as far as the rock called Peristereon, and that other hill which lies next it, and is over the valley which reaches to Siloam; whence it bended again to the west, and went down to the valley of the Fountain, beyond which it went up again at the monument of Ananus the high priest, and encompassing that mountain where Pompey had formerly pitched his camp, it returned back to the north side of the city, and was carried on as far as a certain village called "The House of the Erebinthi;" after which it encompassed Herod's monument, and there, on the east, was joined to Titus's own camp, where it began. Now the length of this wall was forty furlongs, one only abated. Now at this wall without were erected thirteen places to keep garrison in, whose circumferences, put together, amounted to ten furlongs; the whole was completed in three days; so that what would naturally have required some months was done in so short an interval as is incredible. When Titus had therefore encompassed the city with this wall, and put garrisons into proper places, he went round the wall, at the first watch of the night, and observed how the guard was kept; the second watch he allotted to Alexander; the commanders of legions took the third watch. "

..To contain the city of Jerusalem, Titus built a siege wall that looped around the valley outside the unbreached third wall and through the Roman-held sections1. The wall was forty furlongs long, with thirteen places to keep garrison in, whose circumferences, put together, amounted to ten furlongs2. Titus personally did rounds of the wall during the construction to ensure its completeness and to raise the men’s morale1. The goal of the wall was to restrict food from being smuggled into Jerusalem3.

Titus Thought Fit to Encompass the City Round with a Wall; after which the Famine Consumed the People by Whole Houses and Families Together.

Are you applying this question also to 70 AD? "and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

 

[tailgator]

We see Christ declaring what would happen in Matthew 24..
Matthew 24:1-3
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

After Jesus described the destruction of the temple, His disciples asked, "When will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" In part of Jesus' answer He told them, Therefore when you see the "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place . . . then let those who are in Judea flee. . . .pointing to the destruction that was to come to the Temple and Jerusalem.

We see the prophecy being outlined in verse 15-20
Matthew 24:15-20
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

In 70 A.D. the city of Jerusalem as well as the temple was destroyed by the pagan armies of Roman Emperor Titus in fulfillment of the prophecy that Christ gave.
"Much of importance happened in Israel in AD 70, and many link the events of that time to prophecies in the Bible. In studying this subject, it’s good to remember that prophecy does not describe the future in the same way that history describes the past. That’s why there are varied interpretations of biblical prophecy. Predictions dealing with the end times, a category known as eschatology, are of particular interest to many people. Within modern Christianity, most of these discussions are less about which events are predicted than when the events will happen. The most common point of reference for these opinions is the significant year of AD 70, when the Romans destroyed the Jewish temple.

Virtually all Christian interpretations of biblical prophecy agree that several prophecies were fulfilled in or before AD 70. Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple (Luke 21:6; Matthew 24:2) and, some would argue, the Jewish genocide at the hands of Rome (Luke 23:27-31). Historically, these events align extremely well with Jesus’ statements. There is broad agreement within most Christian interpretations that these prophecies were literally fulfilled in AD 70."....https://www.gotquestions.org/AD-70.html

Jewish historian Josephus gives us a insight into this prophecy...

"Josephus wrote a comprehensive account of the Jewish Revolt, including the Fall of Jerusalem, in his work "The Jewish War".
His works provide one of the most detailed contemporary accounts of this period, although they must be read critically, considering his complex personal history and the potential for bias.

In the spring of AD 70, Titus gathered his forces around Jerusalem. His army consisted of about 60,000 men, including Roman legionaries, auxiliaries, and troops provided by regional allies.The siege lasted approximately five months. Initially, the Romans attempted to breach the city walls using siege towers and battering rams. When this failed, they resorted to a blockade, aiming to starve the city into submission. The conditions within the city quickly became desperate.

Food and water supplies dwindled, and disease spread among the inhabitants. Infighting among the Jewish factions also continued, further weakening the city's defenses. In the summer of AD 70, the Romans finally managed to breach the Third Wall, then the Second, and finally penetrated the heavily fortified First Wall, entering the Upper City.

One of the most significant and heart-wrenching events during the fall of Jerusalem was the destruction of the Second Temple.
According to historical accounts, the Roman soldiers set the Temple on fire, disregarding Titus's orders to spare it.

The Temple, a magnificent structure considered the heart of Jewish religious life, was reduced to ashes. This event occurred on the 9th day of the Hebrew month of Av, a date that is still observed by Jews today as Tisha B'Av, a day of mourning and fasting.

The fall of Jerusalem was also accompanied by significant loss of life. Josephus provides an account of the carnage, stating that the Romans killed many of the city's inhabitants. The city of Jerusalem was thoroughly sacked by the Romans. Buildings, homes, and walls were torn down, leaving the city in ruins.The level of devastation was such that Josephus claimed that those who visited the city after its destruction could scarcely believe it had ever been inhabited.

The Romans also carried off the treasures of the Temple as spoils of war, including the Menorah, which was famously depicted on the Arch of Titus in Rome."...https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/ancient-history/siege-of-jerusalem-ad-70/

History shows us much on the prophecies in the Bible, but we have to study both and compare so it verifies what we have in scripture.

You cut out the most revealing part of the prophecy concerning the Abomination of desolation.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.



Mathew 24

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.



Is there a reason you purposely cut this verse out of Jesus words concerning Daniels prophecy?
Is it because this part of Daniels prophecy reveals your error?

 

[CTK]

Luke shows much the same dialogue, but places it during the discussion of the widows two mites offering..
Luke 21:5-7
"5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

And the prophecy and a much more expanded description on the warning to flee..
Luke 21:20-21
"20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto."

But Luke adds a previous discussion in Luke 19 that Jesus had with the disciples that gave even more direct warning of what was to come..

Luke 19:41-43
"41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,"

History shows its fulfillment...
"Titus began the wall from the camp of the Assyrians, where his own camp was pitched, and drew it down to the lower parts of Cenopolis; thence it went along the valley of Cedron, to the Mount of Olives; it then bent towards the south, and encompassed the mountain as far as the rock called Peristereon, and that other hill which lies next it, and is over the valley which reaches to Siloam; whence it bended again to the west, and went down to the valley of the Fountain, beyond which it went up again at the monument of Ananus the high priest, and encompassing that mountain where Pompey had formerly pitched his camp, it returned back to the north side of the city, and was carried on as far as a certain village called "The House of the Erebinthi;" after which it encompassed Herod's monument, and there, on the east, was joined to Titus's own camp, where it began. Now the length of this wall was forty furlongs, one only abated. Now at this wall without were erected thirteen places to keep garrison in, whose circumferences, put together, amounted to ten furlongs; the whole was completed in three days; so that what would naturally have required some months was done in so short an interval as is incredible. When Titus had therefore encompassed the city with this wall, and put garrisons into proper places, he went round the wall, at the first watch of the night, and observed how the guard was kept; the second watch he allotted to Alexander; the commanders of legions took the third watch. "

..To contain the city of Jerusalem, Titus built a siege wall that looped around the valley outside the unbreached third wall and through the Roman-held sections1. The wall was forty furlongs long, with thirteen places to keep garrison in, whose circumferences, put together, amounted to ten furlongs2. Titus personally did rounds of the wall during the construction to ensure its completeness and to raise the men’s morale1. The goal of the wall was to restrict food from being smuggled into Jerusalem3.

Titus Thought Fit to Encompass the City Round with a Wall; after which the Famine Consumed the People by Whole Houses and Families Together.

Hobie, there is no question that Titus and the Roman army completely destroyed everthing in Jerusalem and beyond. Nothing was sparred. This was prophecised in Chapter 9 of Daniel. But let me ask you a question: Was the physical destruction of the Temple, the Sanctuary, the walls and the streets, and over 1 million Jews the AOD, or was this the result of the AOD?

 

[Hobie]

Are you applying this question also to 70 AD? "and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Well that is the second part as Jesus’ prophecy brought up two questions in the minds of His disciples. Tell us, when shall these things be? (for the destruction of the Temple He was talking about) And what shall be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?” (This is more comprehensive as can be seen, this is what prompted the answer for the end of the world).

As Jesus sat with His disciples on the Mount of Olives, they could see the beautiful design and pride of the Jews which was the Temple. With this view, the first question in the mind of the disciples was about the destruction of the temple. Jesus said it would be destroyed, and they wanted to know when and Christ answered it with the " abomination of desolation" as for the destruction of the Temple.

The second question is answered in the remainder and ends with the "the Son of man coming in the cloud" and the angels gathering the saints. The disciple asked it as they remembered the events surrounding the last temple’s destruction by Babylon. As only Gods intervention allowed them to come back and they felt the temple was destroyed in the context of national judgment and exile. So the question really was pertaining to what what they felt was the end of the world to them and of the Jewish nation, if the temple will be destroyed, then what will become of Israel and the Jews?

 

[rwb]

Well that is the second part as Jesus’ prophecy brought up two questions in the minds of His disciples. Tell us, when shall these things be? (for the destruction of the Temple He was talking about) And what shall be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?” (This is more comprehensive as can be seen, this is what prompted the answer for the end of the world).

As Jesus sat with His disciples on the Mount of Olives, they could see the beautiful design and pride of the Jews which was the Temple. With this view, the first question in the mind of the disciples was about the destruction of the temple. Jesus said it would be destroyed, and they wanted to know when and Christ answered it with the " abomination of desolation" as for the destruction of the Temple.

The second question is answered in the remainder and ends with the "the Son of man coming in the cloud" and the angels gathering the saints. The disciple asked it as they remembered the events surrounding the last temple’s destruction by Babylon. As only Gods intervention allowed them to come back and they felt the temple was destroyed in the context of national judgment and exile. So the question really was pertaining to what what they felt was the end of the world to them and of the Jewish nation, if the temple will be destroyed, then what will become of Israel and the Jews?

That may have been how ethnic Jews would think, but you're forgetting, yes, Christ's disciples were Jews, but more importantly they were believers, disciples of Christ. They had been taught by Christ for three years. Speaking to His disciples, who happen to be Jewish, Christ tells them what they can expect as they take this gospel of the Kingdom into all the world "for a witness unto all nations" they and all coming after them would be called to endure much hardship, even "great tribulation" as they proclaim the Gospel unto all the earth before the end of the world when He would come again in the same manner He was witnessed departing from the world.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

How could Christ's Jewish disciples think the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple would be the end of Israel or the world since the Gospel of the Kingdom of God preached unto all the nations of the world would be sent out beginning from Jerusalem? The end of a physical nation is not the end of Israel. It is however a new/different Israel no longer one people, ethnic Jews, but the "Israel of God." No longer an ethnic people, but people from both the circumcision and uncircumcision (Jews & Gentiles).

Galatians 6:14-16 (KJV) But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

At this point in time the disciples had not been sent out with the Gospel of the Kingdom unto all the world as a witness unto all nations. Christ instructed them to go only to their kinsmen according to the flesh, and NOT to go to the Gentiles or Samaritans. They were instructed to proclaim the Kingdom of heaven "is at hand". IOW since the Kingdom of heaven had come unto them, they should repent and turn away from sin.

Matthew 10:5-7 (KJV) These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The disciples of Christ would not think the end of Israel as a nation was the end of the world since the Gospel of the Kingdom had not yet been sent into all the world for a witness unto all nations. The nations of the world would have no understanding before Christ came and gave His life to atone for sin, and defeat death by His resurrection.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well that is the second part as Jesus’ prophecy brought up two questions in the minds of His disciples. Tell us, when shall these things be? (for the destruction of the Temple He was talking about) And what shall be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?” (This is more comprehensive as can be seen, this is what prompted the answer for the end of the world).

As Jesus sat with His disciples on the Mount of Olives, they could see the beautiful design and pride of the Jews which was the Temple. With this view, the first question in the mind of the disciples was about the destruction of the temple. Jesus said it would be destroyed, and they wanted to know when and Christ answered it with the " abomination of desolation" as for the destruction of the Temple.

The second question is answered in the remainder and ends with the "the Son of man coming in the cloud" and the angels gathering the saints. The disciple asked it as they remembered the events surrounding the last temple’s destruction by Babylon. As only Gods intervention allowed them to come back and they felt the temple was destroyed in the context of national judgment and exile. So the question really was pertaining to what what they felt was the end of the world to them and of the Jewish nation, if the temple will be destroyed, then what will become of Israel and the Jews?

You are guilty of what many dispensationalists have done. combined similar passages to mean teh same.

But look at these 2 passages in their context carefully:

Luke 21:21-24

King James Version

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21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

In both passages, Jesus commands people to flee when a sign happens.

In Luke it is when armies surround Jerusalem, In Matt. when they the abomination fo desolation stand in the holy place.

Two different signs.

Luke was fulfilled in 66-70 Ad, Matthew has not yet.

Both passages also warn people to flee in very similar ways in both passages. but the reasons are different

In Luke it is the days of vengeance and the fulfilment of the punishment pronounced in Matt.12 for the unpardonable sin.

In Matt. it is because the AOD has declared himself god (Paul calls him the man of lawlessness in Thessalonians.)


In Luke we see the times of the gentiles being spoken of as a consequence, in Matthew jesus says the world will experience tribulation as it has never seen nor will see again.

Luke is historical, Matthew is still future.