Understanding : Acts 2:38

[JBO]

P S..you inferred...Christ saved the thief without baptism....but no where in the Bible does it say He was or was not baptized.

The reference of Jesus' saving the thief on the cross without him being baptized is such a tired old argument. The thief did not live under the New Covenant. The New Covenant with it's attention to faith-baptism was not even instituted yet. Christ had not at the time yet died and been raised. Whether he was or was not baptized is moot. The entire company of OT saints were saved without baptism.

 

[Truther]

We are not saved by the act of being baptized. We are saved by God at the occasion, the instant, of being baptized. I do not see why that seems to be so difficult for some to understand. It is an important distinction.

In the like figure baptism doth now save us.

The fact is, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins saves us. This is an act of salvation. It’s a new testament gift of grace.

Just like we are saved by preaching. It takes at least two to tango.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Baptism...is Jesus. It is part of the repentance process. Required.
One only need full water baptism one time. Why do you think it would be necessary several times daily?

Some are saying their sins are remitted through baptism.
So since they sin, what would be their remedy?
Another baptism?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Baptism alone does not remove sin, baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission of sins.

First you said it doesn't.
Then you said it does.

 

[Truther]

Some are saying their sins are remitted through baptism.
So since they sin, what would be their remedy?
Another baptism?

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is a one time event. It covers past present and future. If you get out of line and sin, you’ll get a whipping from the Holy Ghost.

 

[Truther]

First you said it doesn't.
Then you said it does.

Let me clarify, you have to say the name of Jesus in your baptism or else you’re just getting wet.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Let me clarify, you have to say the name of Jesus in your baptism or else you’re just getting wet.

...and that took your sins away?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is a one time event. It covers past present and future. If you get out of line and sin, you’ll get a whipping from the Holy Ghost.

In James it says to call upon the Elders of the church and for them to lay hands on this church member and the prayer of faith will heal the sick and if they've committed any sins they will be forgiven. Now that seems very odd that they would need to be forgiven. I would think according to your Doctrine that that person would need to get baptized would they not?

 

[Truther]

In James it says to call upon the Elders of the church and for them to lay hands on this church member and the prayer of faith will heal the sick and if they've committed any sins they will be forgiven. Now that seems very odd that they would need to be forgiven. I would think according to your Doctrine that that person would need to get baptized would they not?

I do not teach that you cannot sin. You cannot qualify for remission of sins unless you were baptized, in the name of Jesus, which is like a filtering system. You must be baptized in the name of Jesus to get the sin filtering system. See, that is why you are baptized into Christ. There is no sin in Christ and if you are into Christ, then you have the filtering system. This is why John says if any man send we have an advocate with the father, Jesus Christ, the righteous. This is written for the church, not the unbaptized.

 

[Truther]

...and that took your sins away?

Yes,

 

[gpresdo]

Some are saying their sins are remitted through baptism.
So since they sin, what would be their remedy?
Another baptism?

Many say many things that are nor scriptural.
Baptism is part of the repentance process just as..... repent...is part. To suggest baptism is not required.....is to suggest repent...is not required.
The Bible is very clear...baptism is required.
We must stay with God's word and reject ...new age religion teachings.

 

[gpresdo]

I do not teach that you cannot sin. You cannot qualify for remission of sins unless you were baptized, in the name of Jesus, which is like a filtering system. You must be baptized in the name of Jesus to get the sin filtering system. See, that is why you are baptized into Christ. There is no sin in Christ and if you are into Christ, then you have the filtering system. This is why John says if any man send we have an advocate with the father, Jesus Christ, the righteous. This is written for the church, not the unbaptized.

Amen.

 

[Truther]

Many say many things that are nor scriptural.
Baptism is part of the repentance process just as..... repent...is part. To suggest baptism is not required.....is to suggest repent...is not required.
The Bible is very clear...baptism is required.
We must stay with God's word and reject ...new age religion teachings.

And to really get it right, baptize folks in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins.

 

[JunChosen]

Many say many things that are nor scriptural.
Baptism is part of the repentance process just as..... repent...is part. To suggest baptism is not required.....is to suggest repent...is not required.
The Bible is very clear...baptism is required.
We must stay with God's word and reject ...new age religion teachings.

Yes, the Bible is very clear...Baptism is required. But which one? The word baptism means to "wash" (the washing of regeneration) as we read in Hebrews 3:5.

Peter also speaks in 1 Peter 3:20-21:
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,) but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

So it is the washing of regeneration that is required for remission of sins and NOT the washing of the filth in our bodies.

To God Be The Glory

 

[Truther]

Yes, the Bible is very clear...Baptism is required. But which one? The word baptism means to "wash" (the washing of regeneration) as we read in Hebrews 3:5.

Peter also speaks in 1 Peter 3:20-21:
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,) but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

So it is the washing of regeneration that is required for remission of sins and NOT the washing of the filth in our bodies.

To God Be The Glory

Yes, baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins clears the conscience which gives us a clean conscience before God as per your verse.

 

[JunChosen]

Yes, baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins clears the conscience which gives us a clean conscience before God as per your verse.

I hope you're not referring to water baptism when you say "baptism in the name of Jesus Christ" are you?

To God Be The Glory

 

[Truther]

I hope you're not referring to water baptism when you say "baptism in the name of Jesus Christ" are you?

To God Be The Glory

Yes. I am.

 

[gpresdo]

Yes, the Bible is very clear...Baptism is required. But which one? The word baptism means to "wash" (the washing of regeneration) as we read in Hebrews 3:5.

Peter also speaks in 1 Peter 3:20-21:
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh,) but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

So it is the washing of regeneration that is required for remission of sins and NOT the washing of the filth in our bodies.

To God Be The Glory

What others? If you want definition look at the OT which defines it...complete covering under water....then for body cleansing. Under the NT ...for sin cleansing.

 

[rebuilder 454]

And to really get it right, baptize folks in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins.

Ok
This is either pentecostal oneness. Or church of Christ.
Both take a component of Christianity, and exalt it above the whole of scripture, and make a legalistic deity of a component.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins clears the conscience which gives us a clean conscience before God as per your verse.

Again exalting a component into an all encompassing truth.
Defaulting away from the actual work of the cross.
James and 1John give no such remedy for sin.
Baptism is a new believers act of obedience.
Identifying publicly his profession and identity to a person and the ALREADY PRESENT work done inside the believer PRIOR TO water baptism

Salvation, it's work and removal of sin, is NOT A DOCTRINE.
Pssssst....it is a person.
YOU HAVE TRADED A PERSON. JESUS, FOR A DOCTRINE.
....and that doctrine is way off.

Men and their weird obsession with getting things messed up.