Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

[ewq1938]

I heard you say that. However the single verse you cited does not say that.

The passage makes it clear he fights from the air. Both the first coming and second coming will have nothing to do with standing on the ground. Only after each coming was complete did standing on the ground happen.

 

[dad]

The passage makes it clear he fights from the air. Both the first coming and second coming will have nothing to do with standing on the ground. Only after each coming was complete did standing on the ground happen.

Fighting after He comes seems a reasonable possibility.

 

[ewq1938]

Fighting after He comes seems a reasonable possibility.

That's what we see in Revelation 19. Fighting is the first thing he does once he is low enough to be seen.

 

[Keraz]

That's what we see in Revelation 19. Fighting is the first thing he does once he is low enough to be seen.

There is no 'fighting' by Jesus at His Return. He simply destroys the armies of Satan by the Sword of His Word. Revelation 19:21
Obviously He will be on the ground then. Proved by Zechariah 14:3-4

 

[ewq1938]

here is no 'fighting' by Jesus at His Return. He simply destroys the armies of Satan by the Sword of His Word.

This is nitpicking. We all know it's a one sided fight. It's also called a battle in the bible but not much of one.

 

[Davy]

There will certainly be a gathering after the tribulation, but He is coming in a day and hour that you think not.

Matthew 24
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

My Bible says IF the goodman had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched.

That does not say the goodman knows, it says IF HE KNEW, he would have watched.
The Word is telling you that you will not know when he is coming, SO BE READY AND WATCH. You think that Jesus is coming AFTER the tribulation, AND HE IS. But he is coming when you think not. The scriptures clearly say that the Jews cannot see until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in. They also say that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. There will be a rapture of the Church before the 70th week of Daniel begins.

I guess you just BYPASSED the following Revelation example I gave then...

Rev 3:3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
KJV

In the above, Lord Jesus is saying IF YOU DON'T WATCH He will come upon you "as a thief". So the idea of NOT WATCHING He linked to the DECEIVED, and not His faithful Church. And really, that is the meaning of the Matthew 24:42-47 Scripture also, that is IF... one reads to the part where He said the 'goodman' of the house is rewarded for having watched at Jesus' appearing, and the goodman is found still giving his servants meat in due season.

In 1 Thessalonians 5, Apostle Paul is basically saying the same thing, IF... one actually reads it...

1 Thess 5:1-4
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Paul said he has no need to teach those about the "times and the seasons", because they already... knew them. And the result of their already knowing he speaks of in the next verse about the "day of the Lord" coming "as a thief in the night". THAT... idea is the SAME idea Lord Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24:42-47, AND Revelation 3:3, AND with Revelation 16:15 where Jesus warned His Church that He comes "as a thief"...

3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV

Paul said that day (Christ's coming as a thief) is NOT supposed to overtake Christ's Church "as a thief". SO YOU CANNOT PROPERLY TRY AND APPLY THAT SURPRISE IDEA TO THE CHURCH! That "as a thief" surprise is for the DECEIVED!

And Paul, just to make a point to the Thessalonian Church, tells them that day is NOT to overtake them "as a thief". In other words, they are to KNOW by WATCHING, even though no one knows the specific date or hour. It is about knowing the TIMES AND THE SEASON of Christ's future coming. How? By watching the SIGNS of the END which Jesus and His Apostles gave in HIS Word.

Jesus gave yet another warning to His Church against being surprised on that day when He comes "as a thief"...

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV

His Message? You'll be BLESSED IF... you 'watch' like He commanded us to do, and thus keep our garments (our robes of white made up of our works in Christ). But IF one does NOT... watch, they will walk naked (lose their garments), and be in shame. HOW exactly? It's because there is a FAKE Messiah coming first, PRIOR to Christ's return, and Jesus warned us against falling away to that fake Messiah that comes first, and that is done by NOT knowing the "times and the seasons" (i.e., SIGNS) Jesus and His Apostles gave us to be watching.

 

[Davy]

There will be a rapture of the Church before the 70th week of Daniel begins.

With that above statement, you just tried to REVERSE what Lord Jesus and His Apostles said in His Word. The 70th week of Daniel 9 is about the last 7 years of the end of this present world, all PRIOR to Lord Jesus' only single future return. And only the latter half of that 7 years period (i.e., 1260 days), is about the "great tribulation" Jesus warned about, which is still NOT the day of His coming. So maybe the Biblically illiterate that don't read their Bible might be fooled by what you tried to insert into God's Word from men's doctrines, but I am studied enough in God's Word to know the difference. And furthermore, in Luke 21 when the "abomination of desolation" is setup in Jerusalem by the coming false Messiah, Jesus also said for those IN THE COUNTRIES to not enter into Jerusalem when that happens, so there's proof He gave that those events are ALSO meant for HIS CHURCH in ALL NATIONS.

I agree. And yet you don't know what to watch for.

It's the other way around bud, YOU... don't know what to watch for! I do know, because I LISTEN TO LORD JESUS IN HIS WORD, and not man's word! But YOU do not listen to Jesus in HIS Word, but to man's word. And that is WHY... you DO NOT KNOW what to 'watch' for! So TELL MORE LIES, why don't ya.

You are watching for the tribulation which happens in the 70th week of Daniel. The Church is already gone before the seals are opened. You are watching for the man of sin to be revealed. These are the things to watch for when the gathering FROM HEAVEN AND EARTH happens and the DAY OF THE LORD BEGINS. These are NOT THE THINGS THAT THE CHURCH IS TOLD TO WATCH FOR. You should probably reread Luke 21

I am watching Paul's "times and the seasons", and I know them too! Why don't you? That includes the SIGNS Jesus gave leading up to His coming, which we've already found out by now that YOU DO NOT KNOW. I'm well aware the Pre-trib Rapture LIARS tell you gullible, rebellious folks to NOT heed Christ's Olivet discourse because they tell you it's meant for the Jews! And oh how you blinded folks love to listen to those FAKES LIE TO YOU!

I really hope you're not a preacher teaching the pre-trib rapture LIE. If so, you're probably afraid if you don't teach it, your fly away denomination will fire you, and you'll lose your pension? In that case, that would make you a "hireling" per John 10 that Jesus warned about.

Is the GOODMAN wicked???????????????????????????????? Is the GOODMAN wicked? Wouldn't the GOODMAN be GOOD? IF the GOODMAN had known, HE WOULD HAVE WATCHED. First, the GOODMAN needs to know what to watch for. If he is watching for the man of sin and the tribulation IT WILL BE TOO LATE. The Goodman should probably read Luke 21 so he will really understand what to watch for.

What kind of wicked talk is all that above? You learn that mess from the PRE-TRIB QUARTERLIES that your denomination sends you?

Anyone that has actually READ my earlier posts about the 'goodman' would understand what the subject is about WHAT to be 'watching'. I'll not explain it again to you, since you show you like to run your mouth without actually having read my posts.

Well actually they will know EXACTLY when He will come for the gathering BEFORE the DAY OF THE LORD.

1 Thes 5
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The Church will already be in heaven when the 70th week of Daniel begins. It will be the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth that will know the day and hour of His coming.

There you are INTERJECTING MEN'S DOCTRINE of a FALSE pre-trib rapture theory into God's Word again!

Jesus said He comes "as a thief". Apostles Paul and Peter both said the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night". So that "day of the Lord" DOES HAPPEN ON THE SAME DAY OF CHRIST'S COMING TO GATHER HIS ELECT FAITHFUL THAT WAIT ON HIM.

No use in talking about this further with you, since you like to TRY AND REVERSE what God's written Word actually states with you inserting a pre-trib rapture theory from men into God's Word. You deserve to be deceived by what's coming, if you don't repent.

 

[Davy]

Actually Gods Word reveals two comings. One coming at the six seal. It is the gathering from heaven and earth BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD. That means BEFORE WRATH. That means BEFORE the trumpets.
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No it does not.

There is ONLY ONE MORE COMING by Christ Jesus, and it is on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15 which is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation 11, and also linked to the 7th Vial of Revelation 16, and the 6th Seal of Revelation 6.

And ANYONE, even a 3rd grader, can read those Scriptures in simplicity and understand Jesus returns only one more time, after the tribulation, to gather His Church.

Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

 

[Davy]

One coming to the earth, and one going into the air to meet Him there. You conflate the two.

As for your attempts to accuse and blame others, sorry, You need to do more than pretend your claims are supported.

There is ONLY ONE MORE COMING by Christ Jesus, and it is on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15 which is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation 11, and also linked to the 7th Vial of Revelation 16, and the 6th Seal of Revelation 6.

And ANYONE, even a 3rd grader, can read those Scriptures in simplicity and understand Jesus returns only one more time, after the tribulation, to gather His Church.

Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

 

[Keraz]

There is ONLY ONE MORE COMING by Christ Jesus, and it is on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15 which is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation 11, and also linked to the 7th Vial of Revelation 16, and the 6th Seal of Revelation 6.

I agree with you on many things, but not what you say here. Except for the 7th Bowl of Revelation 16:16-18, which is the Battle of Armageddon, that does happen when Jesus Returns.

1 Corinthians 15:50-56. is a prophecy about the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium. At the actual Last Trumpet.

Revelation 11:15-19 is all about events in heaven, that happen 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns. Paralleled by Revelation 12:7-9

Revelation 6:12-17, is the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. The world changer that commences all the prophesied end times events.

 

[Davy]

I agree with you on many things, but not what you say here. Except for the 7th Bowl of Revelation 16:16-18, which is the Battle of Armageddon, that does happen when Jesus Returns.

1 Corinthians 15:50-56. is a prophecy about the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium. At the actual Last Trumpet.

Revelation 11:15-19 is all about events in heaven, that happen 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns. Paralleled by Revelation 12:7-9

Revelation 6:12-17, is the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. The world changer that commences all the prophesied end times events.

I don't care if you disagree with me or not, is it God's Word or not, that should be the real question. Anyone who reads and studies God's Word faithfully will know I am keeping to His Word as written.

The "last trump" event of 1 Corinthians 15 is when all still alive on earth are suddenly 'changed' at the "twinkling of an eye". That is about the LAST DAY of this present world when Jesus returns. That change will happen suddenly, at an instant, to all still alive on earth. And that "twinkling of an eye" description about that change coming at an instant will be because of God's consuming fire ENDING this present world time in the flesh. ALL... alive will be changed to the "spiritual body" at an instant, with the Heavenly being revealed. And the dead will be raised to the spiritual body also. That is why Paul said we shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL be changed.

That event is coupled with the 7th Vial destruction upon the Gog and Magog armies out of the northern quarters. That is what the "sudden destruction" on the "day of the Lord" is about upon the wicked, just as Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5, so let's see you try and go against that.

Furthermore, Jesus said He comes "as a thief", and Paul and Peter said the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night". And Peter showed the "day of the Lord" event is about God's consuming fire burning man's works off this earth on that day. So day of Jesus' coming, day of God's consuming fire, Jesus coming "as a thief", ALL THE SAME DAY.

I'll be glad when you guys learn to start actually reading and heeding Scripture as written.

 

[The Light]

No it does not.
There is ONLY ONE MORE COMING by Christ Jesus, and it is on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15 which is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation 11, and also linked to the 7th Vial of Revelation 16, and the 6th Seal of Revelation 6.
And ANYONE, even a 3rd grader, can read those Scriptures in simplicity and understand Jesus returns only one more time, after the tribulation, to gather His Church.

Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

You would think that this 3rd grader would be able to understand that this coming of Jesus occurs as the sixth seal as marked by the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars.
Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV
Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

How is it that you do not understand the obvious?

 

[Keraz]

I don't care if you disagree with me or not, is it God's Word or not, that should be the real question. Anyone who reads and studies God's Word faithfully will know I am keeping to His Word as written.

Well; I care about disagreement among Christians. We do agree generally on the issue of Salvation.
It is the understanding and the proper sequence of the Prophesies, where everyone goes off in a different direction.
Isaiah 29:9-12 tells us why God confuses us; it is because of the acceptance of false beliefs.
The 'rapture to heaven theory', is the main source of confusion, but ideas like making the Sixth Seal happen at the Return, is just foolishness and is an outright case of changing the Book of Revelation.

I'll be glad when you guys learn to start actually reading and heeding Scripture as written.

Mixing the Gog/Magog attack with the Battle of Armageddon, shows your failure to properly read the prophecies about both events.

 

[Timtofly]

If he is in the air would that be before His feet rested on the mount of Olives? Or after? Do we know? Once Jesus returns to earth would you say He cannot fly?

At Armageddon Jesus is on a horse. The horses feet touch down, not Jesus' feet.

 

[Timtofly]

This is nitpicking. We all know it's a one sided fight. It's also called a battle in the bible but not much of one.

Jesus was not on a horse when He ascended. Jesus will not be on a horse at the Second Coming. During the 7th Trumpet Jesus leaves on a horse, and then returns on a horse 42 months later. You all have Him descending without taking into account, that at the 6th Seal it is to save Jerusalem, and will be Jesus' feet that touches down, and he is not riding a horse.

The 6th Seal is to the Mount of Olives. The battle of Armageddon is to the valley of Megiddo, 60 miles away. The rapture is at the 6th Seal, not at the battle of Armageddon. The 6th Seal is before the GT, and after the tribulation of those days. Armageddon is after the GT, and after Satan's 42 months.


Satan has had 42 months of control on the glorious throne in Jerusalem, and gathers an army to fight against Jesus coming from heaven to the valley of Megiddo. The 6th Seal is current Jerusalem, and without warning and at no specific time, a pre-emptive strike against Jerusalem will be a reality at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ as Prince to the Mount of Olives.

Nitpicking is trying to see if Satan announces his existence to pre-empt the Second Coming. Zechariah 14:2-4

"For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

God claims He draws all nations to this battle. Will Satan try to steal the thunder? Many paint a picture that some AC backed by Satan comes against Israel. This is not what Zechariah claims. No AC in Zechariah. No AC in Revelation, especially not at the 6th Seal. We see war in the 4th Seal. That is God drawing things together. Now does Satan think he can fool the church who is looking for this AC?

Personally I doubt Satan wants to appear, because if Satan is literal and real, many will start to question all this deception Satan has created on earth, that there is no God. If you take the fact that Satan is being withheld, and God will send the armies against Israel and Jerusalem, then no one will expect to be attacking, but a strong urge from God will be shocking to the whole world. And that shock will be eclipsed by the Second Coming itself. Because Zechariah says Jerusalem will fall and the enemy will enter Jerusalem, not that Jesus stops an attack before it can even begin.

 

[Davy]

You would think that this 3rd grader would be able to understand that this coming of Jesus occurs as the sixth seal as marked by the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars.
Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV
Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

How is it that you do not understand the obvious?

Like making up LIES we see!

I WELL UNDERSTAND the events of Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, being about CHRIST'S 2ND COMING AFTER THE TRIBULATION TO GATHER HIS CHURCH ON THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD.

So the real... question is, WHY do you DENY THOSE SCRIPTURES BY JESUS, and instead push a FALSE coming PRIOR... to that tribulation? I know WHY; it is because you follow MEN and not Christ Jesus! You don't listen to Jesus in His Word, but to men instead, and that WILL be your downfall IF you don't repent!

 

[Davy]

It is the understanding and the proper sequence of the Prophesies, where everyone goes off in a different direction.
Isaiah 29:9-12 tells us why God confuses us; it is because of the acceptance of false beliefs.
The 'rapture to heaven theory', is the main source of confusion, but ideas like making the Sixth Seal happen at the Return, is just foolishness and is an outright case of changing the Book of Revelation.

Sorry, but those are some very deluded statements above. God is NOT the author of confusion, Satan is (1 Corinthians 14:33). And I well understand about 'rightly dividing' God's Word in His Old Testament prophets! But apparently, you do not.

I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture. And Heaven is coming here on the day of Christ's return (actually the heavenly is exposed UPON this earth, but The Father will still be in the Heaven above until the future new heavens and a new earth, 1 Corinthians 15:23-28).

The 6th SEAL events ARE about the last day of this world with God's cup of wrath poured out upon the wicked. That is WHY they EVEN declare it is the TIME of that wrath! SO WHY ARE YOU DENYING THAT TIMING OF THE DAY OF CHRIST'S FUTURE RETURN on the 6th Seal? Who has bewitched you?

Rev 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of Him That sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of His wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
KJV

That One those kings of the earth see sitting upon HIS throne is The Father in Heaven. How is it on that 6th Seal they are able to SEE into the Heavenly where The Father is? THAT... is ABSOLUTE PROOF of what DAY that is, the LAST DAY of this present world with Jesus' coming, with every eye SEEING HIM, including those who pierced Him, as written in Revelation 1.

Mixing the Gog/Magog attack with the Battle of Armageddon, shows your failure to properly read the prophecies about both events.

The Gog-Magog attack of Ezekiel 38 & 39 IS... the event of the Revelation 16 "Armageddon", which ONLY will happen on the LAST DAY of this PRESENT WORLD, which is also the DAY when Jesus Christ returns to gather His faithful saints. It won't be a REAL battle, because WE do NOT fight that battle, Christ does. And it will be over for that Gog-Magog horde so QUICKLY, they won't hardly have time to blink!

But you want to try and draggggggggg.... that Armageddon event out, when there is NO Scripture support for doing so.

The hail fire and brimstone upon that northern army on the LAST DAY of this world will happen at an instant, hailstones the size of a talent (70 to 120 lbs.)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is a thread to discuss the invasion of Israel by the forces led by the Northern power. This thread is not for people that view Revelations and most prophesies as history or present. So here is the question, and it is from a standpoint of asking rather than knowing it all.

Ezekiel 38:18
And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God , that my fury shall come up in my face.

So could this be the start of the Tribulation, where the Rapture occurs? The start of God's wrath!?
This great war sounds like it is not the final war, where nations gathered (again in Israel) just when He returns to earth and destroys them all. The final in Rev 19 battle is similar in that birds are called to dispose of the dead people. Are these 2 different battles?
If so, why? If not, why?

No this is not the start of the tribulation. the tribulation (or 70th week of Daniel) commences when the antichrist signs a strong covenant for Israel for 7 years.

This Russian invasion with her allies has to occur at least 3 1/2 years before the start of teh tribulation. Why do I say that? Veryt simple. One point proves that out!

Ezekiel 39:9-10
King James Version

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.


so the weapons shall be used for fuel for 7 years! But we know that in the middle of the tribulation, the antichrist will enter the holy of holies and delare himself god and start an all out genocide against Christians and Jews.

I do not see how Israel, when fleeing for their very lives as jesus said in Matt. 24 would be bothering to gather weapons. So based on that I am convinced that the Russian invasion must take place at least 3 1/2 years before the trib starts.

 

[The Light]

Like making up LIES we see!

I WELL UNDERSTAND the events of Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, being about CHRIST'S 2ND COMING AFTER THE TRIBULATION TO GATHER HIS CHURCH ON THE LAST DAY OF THIS WORLD.

So the real... question is, WHY do you DENY THOSE SCRIPTURES BY JESUS, and instead push a FALSE coming PRIOR... to that tribulation? I know WHY; it is because you follow MEN and not Christ Jesus! You don't listen to Jesus in His Word, but to men instead, and that WILL be your downfall IF you don't repent!

It certainly appears that you don't understand. AGAIN...... the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6TH SEAL as marked with the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars. He will send His angels to gather the elect prior to the wrath of God.

2 Thes 2
1
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The Word says that the Lord will come for the gathering BEFORE the Day of the Lord which starts with THE WRATH OF GOD.

How is it that you do not understand these things?

You need to start with the basics.

***Updating this post because I read somewhere that you think that the 6th seal and the seventh trumpet are the same. Has it ever occurred to you that it is impossible for the 6th seal to be the same as the seventh trumpet because the 7th trumpet CANNOT HAPPEN UNTIL THE 7TH SEAL IS OPENED.

Where do you learn this nonsense, as that does not agree with the word

 

[The Light]

No this is not the start of the tribulation. the tribulation (or 70th week of Daniel) commences when the antichrist signs a strong covenant for Israel for 7 years.

This Russian invasion with her allies has to occur at least 3 1/2 years before the start of teh tribulation. Why do I say that? Veryt simple. One point proves that out!

Ezekiel 39:9-10
King James Version

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.


so the weapons shall be used for fuel for 7 years! But we know that in the middle of the tribulation, the antichrist will enter the holy of holies and delare himself god and start an all out genocide against Christians and Jews.

I do not see how Israel, when fleeing for their very lives as jesus said in Matt. 24 would be bothering to gather weapons. So based on that I am convinced that the Russian invasion must take place at least 3 1/2 years before the trib starts.

The 1st point is contrary to what is commonly taught it is not THE ANTICHRIST that signs the covenant for 7 years, it is AN ANTICHRIST.

Matt 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

It is the rider on the white horse, the SEVENTH KING, who signs the covenant. The Antichrist is the eighth king.

Secondly, Ezekiel 39 Gog/Magog happens after the 1000 years.

Rev 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.