Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

[dad]

There is no issue about that.

There is the issue of why the 144,000 from the 12 tribes would be sealed after the tribulation is over and done. That is after the sixth seal that you claim is when Jesus returns to earth.

 

[Davy]

No, you are ignoring what the scripture says.

You couldn't be more wrong about that.

At the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal, He sends His angels. Jesus remains in the clouds.

Not written there. You are ADDING that idea of His staying in the clouds.

Mark 13
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds,

This has nothing to do with the pretribulation rapture. The pretrib rapture happens BEFORE the 70th week of Daniel, which is before the seals are opened.

I know that Mark 13 Scripture has nothing to do with a ... pre-trib rapture, which idea is not written anywhere in God's Word. The Matthew 24:30 and Mark 13:27 gathering of the saints is a direct parallel to 1 Thessalonians 4. One version is about Jesus bringing the 'asleep' resurrected saints with Him when He comes, and the other version is about His saints still alive that He sends the angels to gather AT THE SAME TIME AS HE COMES TO EARTH PER ZECHARIAH 14.

It is the 12 tribes across the earth that are raptured from the earth at the gathering from heaven and earth BEFORE the wrath of God.
2 Thes 2
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Believers are NOT appointed to wrath.
1 Thes 5
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

You ought to study all The Scripture That is In Between Those Verses you're taught to pull out and try to push the false Pre-trib Rapture theory into them. 1 Thessalonians 5 by Paul is DAY OF THE LORD timing, which means the LAST DAY of this world, and is when God's consuming fire burns man's works off this earth (2 Peter 3:10). Thus the 'wrath' of 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is about God's cup of wrath upon the wicked on the LAST DAY, on the 7th Vial, 7th Trumpet, and 6th Seal.

The gathering from heaven and earth is before the wrath of God. Only the those that flee as instructed and unbelievers will be on earth when the wrath of God occurs. Those that flee, will be in a place of protection. Jesus returns at the end of wrath with His armies after the marriage supper which is in heaven.

Again, that theory is from men's doctrines ADDING to The Word of God, and mainly because of NOT understanding what God's consuming fire on the "day of the Lord" is about! Christ's elect are given the example of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in Daniel 3 as a blueprint for that day of God's consuming fire. They were cast into the hot fiery furnace heated 7 times hotter than necessary (a pointer to God's consuming fire at the end), and a FOURTH MAN was seen by Nebuchadnezzar in that hot fire with them, and He appeared like The Son of Man (i.e., Jesus). When they came out of that hot furnace their clothes did not even smell of smoke! But when Neb's servants just got near that furnace they were incinerated. We do not have to go anywhere, God's consuming fire will not harm His faithful Church.

 

[Davy]

Biblical blindness is looking at any passage old or new, and translating it to fit your belief system, and not looking at it in context.

Which is exactly... what men's leaven doctrines do, which I do not follow, and is why deceived brethren think I'm trying to destroy God's Word. In reality, they don't actually know what God's Word truly says as written, because they're too busy heeding men's leaven that's made up. The Pre-trib Rapture theory is one of the leaven doctrines from men, and is NOT written anywhere in God's Word. So is the Mid-trib theory a false leaven doctrine from men. I could keep going and going and going... with all the false leaven taught in today's Churches.

Salvation of gentilkes and the church is in the OT. However, In the passage we are discussing, It is not part of that context.

Yes it is part of the Zechariah 13 subject, because as I pointed out there, it is about Christ's Church! The Gospel of Jesus Christ is written in The Old Testament too, or didn't you notice? That's why it also mentions the Gentile believers being included in Christ's Salvation.

When your actually ready to discuss the passage, and set aside your pride. let me know.. I will be glad to discuss it.

as long as you just want to attack with this same strawman of how I am blind etc etc. Then I will let you be.

Ah... so you want to 'cop out' on this... that's really what you mean to say.

 

[ewq1938]

There is the issue of why the 144,000 from the 12 tribes would be sealed after the tribulation is over and done.

They are sealed before the Great Tribulation starts, not after.

That is after the sixth seal that you claim is when Jesus returns to earth.

The 6th seal is NOT when Jesus comes. I already explained that.

Also take note that Jesus does not leave heaven and return to the clouds of the Earth when the 6th seal is opened. No, he remains in heaven to open the last seal. He remains in heaven for the first 6 trumpets as well. Only at the 7th trump does he actually leave heaven and return to the clouds of the Earth.

 

[Davy]

There were no Christians then.

Surely you can't be that deluded.

MANY Scriptures in The Old Testament Books POINT DIRECTLY TO CHRIST JESUS AND HIS CHURCH.

So you trying to say those Zechariah 13 verses I pointed to mean nothing, SIMPLY BECAUSE JESUS HADN'T COME YET THEN TO DIE ON THE CROSS, is ludicrous! That kind of thinking reveals you don't even know what the word 'prophecy' means!!!

So maybe you might want to backup and admit how wrong you are with saying such things.

And at the same time, you might want to study Psalms 22, a prophecy from God written by king David about Christ's crucifixion, even mentioning about the soldiers casting lots over Jesus' clothing! That was written about a THOUSAND YEARS prior to Christ's crucifixion, and Lord Jesus even QUOTED from it on His cross!!!

 

[dad]

They are sealed before the Great Tribulation starts, not after.

Great, so that is after the sixth seal. So the sixth seal could not be Jesus returning.

The 6th seal is NOT when Jesus comes. I already explained that.

Great. So many people here claim it is, it is hard to keep track.

 

[dad]

Surely you can't be that deluded.

MANY Scriptures in The Old Testament Books POINT DIRECTLY TO CHRIST JESUS AND HIS CHURCH.

Not the ones talking about 'in that day'. You need to have some idea of what the context and time involved in prophesies is.

So you trying to say those Zechariah 13 verses I pointed to mean nothing, SIMPLY BECAUSE JESUS HADN'T COME YET THEN TO DIE ON THE CROSS, is ludicrous! That kind of thinking reveals you don't even know what the word 'prophecy' means!!!

Whatever they mean has to do with that time often referring in prophesy as 'in that day'.
So what is it you think they mean exactly in relation to the topic here?

And at the same time, you might want to study Psalms 22, a prophecy from God written by king David about Christ's crucifixion, even mentioning about the soldiers casting lots over Jesus' clothing! That was written about a THOUSAND YEARS prior to Christ's crucifixion, and Lord Jesus even QUOTED from it on His cross!!!

Try to be honest. No one is questioning the hundreds and hundreds of prophesies about the first coming.

 

[The Light]

Not written there. You are ADDING that idea of His staying in the clouds.

Oh no. I have added nothing. It's all there to see.

Here is the coming of Jesus in Matt 24 It shows he remains in the clouds and sends angels to gather elect BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Here is the same coming of Jesus at the 6th seal as marked by the cosmic signs of the sun, moon and stars. No word of Jesus setting His foot on the earth.

Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Here is the same coming in Rev 14 just prior to the wrath of God. Jesus is still in the clouds. Nothing was added. Just understanding scripture.

Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

[ewq1938]

Great, so that is after the sixth seal. So the sixth seal could not be Jesus returning.

Nope. He remains in heaven to open the 7th seal. The second coming will be thousands of years in the future to the opening of these seals. IMO he opened them when he ascended. This explains why at first no one could be found in heaven to open the seals. Christ was still on the Earth at that time, then ascended and opened them.

 

[dad]

Nope. He remains in heaven to open the 7th seal. The second coming will be thousands of years in the future to the opening of these seals. IMO he opened them when he ascended. This explains why at first no one could be found in heaven to open the seals. Christ was still on the Earth at that time, then ascended and opened them.

You think Christ was opening seals thousands of years ago? Not with ya on that one. That is one possible explanation/guess as to why no one was found. Another guess might be that only Jesus was worthy, having shown perfect love and sacrifice. The seal opening does not really read as prophesy but as unfolding events that happen.

 

[ewq1938]

You think Christ was opening seals thousands of years ago? Not with ya on that one. That is one possible explanation/guess as to why no one was found.

I think it makes sense that he was still on Earth so that's why he wasn't found to open the seals, and when he arrived in heaven he was naturally found and opened them right away back when the disciples still were together, likely the same day and hour that he Ascended.

 

[dad]

I think it makes sense that he was still on Earth so that's why he wasn't found to open the seals, and when he arrived in heaven he was naturally found and opened them right away back when the disciples still were together, likely the same day and hour that he Ascended.

Basically you need some reason to have the seals be a sort of prophesy of things to come, rather than end time events to fit your scheme of things. So if the seals were opened when Jesus got back to heaven, I guess we now need to have Him wait something like 70 years till John was very old. Or do you prefer to have John see something happen when he was taken up that actually happened long before?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is what I replied to

You -- "
I offered matt 24. Because In Ezek the prophet said they were in the mountain.

Matt 24 shows them leaving jerusalem and going to the mountain AFTER the AOD. so it fits. Up until the AOD. Israel is not in the mountains, they are in the cities."

You referred to Eze, I assume 38 or 39. Then you talk about Matt. You would need to be clear.

How much more clear can I bee

Ezekiel spoke of Israel being on a mountain living in peace.

Matt 24 Jesus says it will be after the AOD when the children of Isreal run to the mountains.

And rev 13 says that the beast will try to go after Isreal. But God will protect her.

Its not rocket science my friend,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Which is exactly... what men's leaven doctrines do, which I do not follow, and is why deceived brethren think I'm trying to destroy God's Word. In reality, they don't actually know what God's Word truly says as written, because they're too busy heeding men's leaven that's made up. The Pre-trib Rapture theory is one of the leaven doctrines from men, and is NOT written anywhere in God's Word. So is the Mid-trib theory a false leaven doctrine from men. I could keep going and going and going... with all the false leaven taught in today's Churches.



Yes it is part of the Zechariah 13 subject, because as I pointed out there, it is about Christ's Church! The Gospel of Jesus Christ is written in The Old Testament too, or didn't you notice? That's why it also mentions the Gentile believers being included in Christ's Salvation.



Ah... so you want to 'cop out' on this... that's really what you mean to say.

Yet you profess doctrines of men, and not doctrine of God

Zech 13 speaks of Israel and Israel only.

But you will only see what you want to see. Including the part about the rapture..

Replacement theology is a doctrine of men. If thats what your professing. You should practice what you preach and stop judging others.

 

[Keraz]

Too much sci fi?

A useless comment.
It is a known fact that the pressure from the suns cosmic particle stream causes satellites to eventually crash back to the earth. A sudden powerful burst of ejecta from the sun would push all the satellites on the sunny side, to fall like ripe figs shaken from the tree.

I see from the tone of your posts, that you are very confident in your beliefs. Your comment here and in other posts where you assert many ideas and theories, is wrong and unscriptural.
I and others, have proved you wrong about the 'rapture to heaven' theory, but you choose to ignore anything that shows your errors. I suggest you be mindful of James 3:1 warning.

 

[ewq1938]

Basically you need some reason to have the seals be a sort of prophesy of things to come, rather than end time events to fit your scheme of things.

I have already explained that. Jesus did not leave heaven when he opened the 6th seal. That proves the events of the 6th seal didn't happen when opened.

So if the seals were opened when Jesus got back to heaven, I guess we now need to have Him wait something like 70 years till John was very old. Or do you prefer to have John see something happen when he was taken up that actually happened long before?

John saw the past like he did with the seals and in Revelation 12 when Jesus was born. He saw things that happened in the present, and he saw many things of the future.

 

[The Light]

I have already explained that. Jesus did not leave heaven when he opened the 6th seal. That proves the events of the 6th seal didn't happen when opened.

Jesus obviously leaves heaven and comes to the clouds at the 6th seal. It is the gathering BEFORE the wrath of God. In 2 Thes 2 we see that Jesus comes for the gathering just before the wrath of God
2 Thes 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Jesus returns to heaven with the great multitude.
REV 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins with the blowing of the 1st trumpet.

So your explanation and theory are incorrect.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus obviously leaves heaven and comes to the clouds at the 6th seal.

He does not. He remains in heaven to open the 7th seal. That proves the seals are information of the future not events happening when the seals are opened. It also solves the problem with there being only one second coming, which is at the 7th trump not the 6th seal. The 6th seal just tells us what will happen at the 7th trump. It's that simple.

 

[n2thelight]

What's really sad is watching so many of you go back and forth about what the Church is doing during the 70th week of Daniel, not understanding that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and it is the time when God regrafts the 12 tribes across the earth. Then comes the explanations about who the 144,000 are without understanding that they are exactly what the Bible says they are, the first fruits of the second harvest. What I believe does not require me to make anything up, it only requires that I accept what is written. Jesus tells us that He is coming when we think not and yet it appears many do not believe that.

At what point will you think not ? It's when satan is here pretending to be Christ . Why would the elect need to be sealed ,if they not gonna be here? You separate Israel from the Church ,that's one of the biggest problem in understanding scripture .

Now let's do Daniel's 70th

Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy People and upon thy holy city, to finesh the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

There are six things that will come to pass before the transgression is completed upon Jerusalem. Then we will see our Lord Jesus Christ coming back to set up His kingdom upon the earth, and the transgressions will be no more.

Do you see sin around today? Of course; What these things are referring to is the first day of the millennium age. this is looking forward to when the Antichrist has come to earth, and has been cast into the pit.

It is a time when our Lord Jesus Christ is anointed in the most holy place in Jerusalem, showing the world that Jesus Christ is the only True Christ. The next three verses lets us know there is a difference between the true Christ and the false Christ.

Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times."

There are four times in history that the starting time of this seventy week period of prophecy could have started. This is what has made this starting date so controversial. During the time of Jewish captivity, four different commandments were issued, for the return to Jerusalem. These were:

First, was the command of Cyrus to return to rebuild the temple as seen in II Chronicles 36:22-23 and Ezra 1. the date of this command was given in 539 B.C.

Second, was the command by Darius to advance the construction of the temple, as we see in Ezra 6:1. This command was given in 518 B.C. or in 519 B.C.

Third, was the command of Artaxerxes to Ezra to purify the temple and reestablish the sacrifices and ordinances. This command is found in Ezra 4:17, and the command was given in 457 B.C.

Fourth, the command of Artaxerxes to Nehemiah to return to Jerusalem, to rebuild the city streets and walls, to make the city safe from the raids and plundering of the neighboring nations. We read of this in Nehemiah 2:1-9, and this puts this command in 444 B.C.

In Daniel 9:25 we read, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem..." The fourth command in 444 B.C. could be the only starting point for Daniel's seventy week prophecy. All three of the other commands were not relating to the city of Jerusalem, but to the building, finishing, and purification of the temple.

At the conclusion of the seventy weeks of years, Daniel saw in the vision that certain things would happen. Look ar Daniel 9:24, "... to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy and to anoint the most Holy."

We know that each of these things above still exist and will exist until the end of the tribulation period. That time of testing for all Israel, and destruction for the rest of the world.

It is an historical fact that the time to rebuild the streets and walls of Jerusalem was 49 years, exactly as Daniel prophesied in Daniel 9:25. "...from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince (Jesus Christ recognized as the Messiah), shall be seven weeks, three score and two weeks."

The first seven weeks, then sixty-two more weeks of years were given in the vision of Daniel for the time of the Messiah. This then leaves us one week shy of the total seventy weeks prophesied by Daniel, for the Messiah to come and physically rule over Israel.

7 weeks 62 weeks Gap 1 week

49 years 434 years time of Millennium age

Gentiles


there are three separate periods, with a gap between the second period of of 434 years, and the final period of seven years. This gap in the seventy years of weeks prophecy period is what the Apostle Paul calls the time of the Gentiles. In Romans 11:17-24 Paul talked about the time when Gentiles, the wild olive branch, will be grafted onto the good olive tree, the trunk of Abraham. This grafting period, or the gap, is what we now call "the Church age". The time from the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the head of the Church, to the start of the last seven week period, then is the time of grace, and peace that is offered to all.

Grace is the gift of total forgiveness by God, by simply accepting by faith the price that Jesus Christ's death on the cross, and his resurrection, paid for. For this God offers "peace", and whatever sins were ever committed, are blotted out and covered by the blood of Christ. This is spelled out in John 3:16.

When we consider the time span from 444 B.C to 33 A.D., and deduct for the fact of the one year between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D., we have a total of 476 solar years. That is 173,855 total solar days. The Jewish calendar year has 360 days to the year, and would show 483 years for the same time frame. (360 days X 483 years equals 173,880 Jewish calendar days.)

To be accurate, the actual date of the commandment was March 5th of our calendar year of 444 B.C. When we compute the solar calendar days of 173,855 to the starting date, and add the 25 days excess from the Jewish calendar, we find the date to be March 3oth, 33 A.D., the time Jesus rode into Jerusalem with a multitude of people around him; "...cried saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest." Matthew 21:1-12 They were claiming Jesus to be the Messiah.

In Daniel 9:27 continues thousands of years later, following the period we call the gap, or Church age. This is the one week of years God set aside to draw His people, called the Jews, back to himself. "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Halfway into the period, three and a half years, the Antichrist reveals his true colors, and Satan then turns on the Jews. He stops sacrifices and oblations, and brings the abomination to the temple. Then hatred, wrath and killing will be poured out on the nation of Israel. We will discuss each of these points later, as we look at various biblical passages in both the Old and New Testaments.

The thing that makes these four verses, Daniel 9:24-27 so important to Christians, and Bible prophecy, is that it identifies the time of the age of Christ's church on earth. The two important things to remember here is that the sacrifices and the oblation will cease, this is the communion, and the Passover feast offerings, and that is because the entire world, including Christians, will believe that Christ has returned to earth. They will believe that the Antichrist is the Messiah.

The second thins is that abomination that is to take place in Jerusalem, is when the Antichrist, Satan, shall stand in the temple and claim himself to be the true Christ.

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The emperor of Rome took sides with the Syrians, against the Jews, and Titus Vespian moved his huge Roman army against all Judea, to totally destroy the city, and as Jesus prophesied, dismantled the entire temple. The Jews that escaped with their lives were scattered throughout the countries of the world.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

In the translation, "the desolate", it is a person, and should be translated "desolator". That desolator is the Antichrist. and is Satan himself. It is not a king in Europe, or the middle east, for Satan is the "star" that fell to the earth in Revelation 9:1, and he will be given the key, or the authority to the bottomless pit.

When the seventh trump sounds, the seventy weeks of years are over, and you will face the Lord Jesus Christ, either as a happy bride [the church], or in shame for chasing after the Antichrist.

daniel9 (theseason.org)

 

[The Light]

At what point will you think not ?

I don't believe this would apply as I know that the fig tree has two harvests.

It's when satan is here pretending to be Christ .

It will be the Antichrists that will be pretending to be Christ and the Church will not be here when that occurs.

Why would the elect need to be sealed ,if they not gonna be here?

They do not need to be sealed because they are not going to be here. They are sealed because they have become believers in the Messiah.
Eph 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

You separate Israel from the Church ,that's one of the biggest problem in understanding scripture .

Part of Israel cannot have it's blindness removed until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in. Just sticking with the timing of the Word of God.
Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The thing that makes these four verses, Daniel 9:24-27 so important to Christians, and Bible prophecy, is that it identifies the time of the age of Christ's church on earth. The two important things to remember here is that the sacrifices and the oblation will cease, this is the communion, and the Passover feast offerings, and that is because the entire world, including Christians, will believe that Christ has returned to earth. They will believe that the Antichrist is the Messiah.

The Church won't even be on earth when the Antichrist is revealed. And if you read your Bible and understood it you would know exactly who the Antichrist is. It should be no mystery.

The second thins is that abomination that is to take place in Jerusalem, is when the Antichrist, Satan, shall stand in the temple and claim himself to be the true Christ.

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for Himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The emperor of Rome took sides with the Syrians, against the Jews, and Titus Vespian moved his huge Roman army against all Judea, to totally destroy the city, and as Jesus prophesied, dismantled the entire temple. The Jews that escaped with their lives were scattered throughout the countries of the world.

Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

In the translation, "the desolate", it is a person, and should be translated "desolator". That desolator is the Antichrist. and is Satan himself. It is not a king in Europe, or the middle east, for Satan is the "star" that fell to the earth in Revelation 9:1, and he will be given the key, or the authority to the bottomless pit.

These verses are not about THE ANTICHRIST. These verses are about AN ANTICHRIST. There will be more than one false Christ. The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and sanctuary. These are verses about the third temple that is not yet built. This prince that shall come is the 7th king. THE ANTICHRIST IS THE EIGHTH KING. The seventh king is the rider on the white horse who goes forth conquering and to conquer. He will be given the stephanos crown which means he will be the head of the UN.

When the seventh trump sounds, the seventy weeks of years are over, and you will face the Lord Jesus Christ, either as a happy bride [the church], or in shame for chasing after the Antichrist.

daniel9 (theseason.org)

The Church will be long gone before the seals are opened as we can escape ALL THESE THINGS that will come to pass.