Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

[Ronald D Milam]

Looking at another opinion (though you like to call it knowing) we see this
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I will go back and follow up on all of these posts brother. I have been having to look after my dog Bama, he has 12 stitches in his neck so I have become a mama bear so to speak the last couple of days.

I will explain unto you a deep dive, and Exegesis I did, we had a Disqus site and before he Election they closed the site all of the sudden so I had to transfer my posts there unto a new site, so I made me a Word Press Account. Sad all of these sites felt the need to shut down speech to try and help the Libs win and election, which they ended up having to steal anyway.

Anyway, I have an Exegesis on Dan. 11 & 12 here prophecyunvieled.home.blog/2019/08/11/daniel-11-12-historically-explained-step-by-step/ where I explain every king and how they came to power in chapter 11 etc. etc. In doing this Gd blessed me with understanding who the False Prophet will be by pointing me unto his TYPE in history, who lived during Antiochus' reign who was the Anti-Christs TYPE. But the key to it all is the 1290 and 1335. Once I understood what it was I was off and running, basically that is the one key to understanding all END TIME EVENTS, until one understand it, you can really see end time events in full. And truthfully, no one gets nor can even seem to understand it, mainly because it makes a lot of their former beliefs wrong headed understandings !! Jason (real name Yeshua) was to be honest not that big a find to start with, he was just a minor notation in Dan. 11:22 or 23.

So, allow me to delve into this, after doing the hard part, Daniel 11, because I git tired of telling all my friends its kind of complex, and not being able to explain it in full, I understood Daniel 12 went along with Daniel 11, as a mater of fact so does Dan. 10, its one long vision, but I only did 11 and 12. When I got to 12 it hit me, Jesus (Man in Linen was Jesus preincarnate) was pointing back to Dan. 11:36-45s events when he was asked by the Angel (probably Gabriel) How long will it be until the end of these wonders ? In verse 6. And then in verse 7 Jesus answers, and in a round about way here is what he said, it will be a Time, times and Half[time] or 1260 days, just after the Jews are conquered, until ALL THESE WONDERS END (Dan. 11:36-45 wonders).

Well, what ENDS THESE WNDERS? Daniel did not know, but we do, the Second Coming will end the Anti-Christs rule right? Lets keep that in mind.

So, now we get to the 1290 and 1335, I have seen 100s of interpretations, I gave seen people guessing on this for ages, no one really seems to understand this, some say its 1290 days into the New Millennium, some says its 45 days and/or 75 days into Jesus' 1000 year reign etc. This is what Gid called me to do via his answered prayer, "Ron, you guys already know it all" was a sign fir me tom WRESTKE with God until I got the answers, do not just willy nilly move on, WAIT and God will give you the answer, seek it very very hard !! So.....I took a fresh look at it, with an open mind. Look at verse 8, NOTICE SOMETING !!

Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Daniel asked the EXACT SAME QUESTION unto Jesus (Man in Linen) that the Angel did, so why have we not always understood the answer has to be in the exact same SYMMETRY !! When shall these things (Dan. 11:36-45) END? And thus the exact same answer will always have to be the Second Coming !! Thus all of the numbers, just like the 1260 must END at the Second Coming, thus the 1290 must come before the 1260 because it is 1290 days away from the 2nd Coming and the 1260 is only 1260 days away from the 2nd Coming. And thus the 1335 must be 1335 days before the Second Coming ends all of these wonders !! So......I had my theory, but I buy into NOTHING until I try it out via the Spirits, a lying spirit will be proven a liar if everything does not fit the scriptures, so I set out to prove this to be in error, because I realized if this was true, then the Anti-Christ could not be the 1290 guy, because he only comes to power at the 1260, so I kind of was like, naaaaaaaa, not going to happen, BUT......my promise to God was that I would never stop asking questions when things seemed to contradict until I got the answers !!And the truth is I had never met ANYONE who could explain the 1290 and 1335 unto me, honest truth. They were all guessing, and admit that, LOL.

So, could the 1290 come before the Anti-Christ comes to power? Could the Sacrifice be TAKEN AWAY and the AoD be placed before he comes to power? I know Paul spoke of him standing in the temple, but did God say it was a man? I went off to Matt 24 to see, and Jesus seems to say its an IMAGE that stands where it ought not stand. Jesus never says HIM.

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Then in Rev. 13 we see the 2nd Beast is the one that gets the masses to make an IMAGE of the First Beast and orders them that they must Worship the Beast or die. Its the Beast out of The Land or Earth which always means Israel, so he's a Jew. The False Prophet seemed to me to be a Jew, that is when I remembered Jason, the High Priest who bribed Antiochus in order to be named the High Priest, thereby having his Pious High Priest brother Onias III killed. He then openly welcomed Antiochus into the Temple tom offer a pig sacrifice unto his god Zeus. He then tried to mandate Hellenization, leading unto the Maccabean Revolt. So, we have the Anti-Christ TYPE in Antiochus Epiphanes and he had a Jewish High Priest buddy named Jason who was a foreshadow of the coming end time False Prophet, or the TYPE False Prophet who lived alongside the TYPE Anti-Christ, of course I thought, they would have to live at the exact same time as TYPES !!

 

[Ronald D Milam]

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So, the 1290 was a reference unto a coming False Prophet, so why didn't Jesus just sat that instead of giving us a NUMBER (1290) I thought. Then it hit me, Daniel could not be forewarned of a coming False Prophet who betrayed Israel for a reason, the Jews knowing that would have killed every other High Priest over the next 500 years or so in fear that it was THE ONE to come, just like King Herod tried to have baby Jesus killed !! But John could be openly told of this False Prophet, because Israel had been sacked by Rome by that time. The Diaspora was under way. So, a Jewish High Priest will take away THE SACRIFICE and place an AoD (Image of the Beast) up in the temple of God. Then I asked God why was a Meat Sacrifice even being discussed by Gabriel and Jesus in Daniel 12, was not the MEAT SACRIFICE an abomination in and of itself? Hmm, that made no sense, Jesus has paid the price, how can taking away anything that is a supposed sub for Jesus not be a defilement? What was the BLESSING of the 1335?

Then it hit me, the 1290 coming 30 days BEFORE the Anti-Christ actually made sense, I had always wondered why God allowed the Anti-Christ to conquer Israel/Jerusalem and then gave them a SIGN to Flee Judea, that just never cut it with me !! But the 1290 being the False Prophet doin the Anti-Chis worked from afar made perfect sense. This gives the Jews 30 days to flee Judea, this is why Jesus said GO, don't look back. So, I thought, how can the Jews know tom flee Judea if they have nit read the Gospels, which is forbidden unto them, thus I understood, the 1335 Blessing has to be the Two-witnesses whom return BEFORE the DOTL to turn Israel back unto God, thus they understand it all. These passages PROVE THIS.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

THEN in the very next verse after they REPENT we see the DOTL (1260 event) arrives !!

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

So, the Jews repent JUST BEFORE the DOTL arrives !! Thus the Two-witnesses are 1335 THE BLESSING that comes BEORE the DOTL hits in order to get Israel to repent !!

Everything fit this way, but In had one last test. Could the Two-witnesses showing up 75 days before the Beast Conquers Israel at the 1260 pass the end time TIMELINES? Yes, indeed it does, the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe whilst the Beast DIES at the 7th Vial which is AFTER the 2nd Woe, thus there two timelines do not run exactly parallel with each others 1260 day ordained by Gid offices !! Meaning if the Two-witnesses DIE FIRST, they also have to SHOW UP FIRST, because they both have 1260 day ordained by Gid office on thus earth. So, now we know the 2nd Woe ends 75 days before he Second Coming also. All of the numbers FIT. Each number is how many days until ALL THESE WONDES END. Each number is an EVENT.

So, I check every possible angle out always, I don't just guess brother. This is how I know the False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest. This is how I knw the Revelation TIMELINES so well.

When one understands all this, they see that the Jews repent BEFORE the DOTL, thus now my Rev.7 understanding that the 144,000 are the Jews fleeing fits in because if they were fleeing where would we see them? Just before God's Wrath falls via the Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments !!

Sleepy, bed time, not correcting the spelling tonight.

 

[dad]

Two things that you need to understand. First, the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal for the gathering from heaven and earth.

If that is the case, then the trumpets and vials are just going back for a look in more detail at what happened and was described in some of the the seals. Correct?

 

[farouk]

I don't see the church, properly speaking, in the OT at all...(and the church is the entity to be raptures, as per 1 Cor. 11.26)...

 

[dad]

So, could the 1290 come before the Anti-Christ comes to power? Could the Sacrifice be TAKEN AWAY and the AoD be placed before he comes to power? I know Paul spoke of him standing in the temple, but did God say it was a man?

What difference does it make exactly? Here are the verses

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Why speculate about the extra 75 days?

 

[dad]

So, the 1290 was a reference unto a coming False Prophet,

Speculation. We are told that from an event we have 1290 days. It does not say anything about a false prophet. We can guess. For example some might guess it is some extra time for a clean up after the last battle or etc. We are not told, and I don't see how it matters to the OP here?

so why didn't Jesus just sat that instead of giving us a NUMBER (1290) I thought. Then it hit me, Daniel could not be forewarned of a coming False Prophet who betrayed Israel for a reason, the Jews knowing that would have killed every other High Priest over the next 500 years or so in fear that it was THE ONE to come, just like King Herod tried to have baby Jesus killed !!

Guessing and speculation.

Then it hit me, the 1290 coming 30 days BEFORE the Anti-Christ actually made sense, I had always wondered why God allowed the Anti-Christ to conquer Israel/Jerusalem and then gave them a SIGN to Flee Judea, that just never cut it with me !! But the 1290 being the False Prophet doin the Anti-Chis worked from afar made perfect sense. This gives the Jews 30 days to flee Judea, this is why Jesus said GO, don't look back.

Well, if they do not even go back in to get a coat for the cool nights, where do you get 30 days for fleeing? Jesus did not say pray your flight was not in January, or June. He said pray it was not on the Israeli Sabbath day. So sticking 30 days in there is not a strong idea.

So, I thought, how can the Jews know tom flee Judea if they have nit read the Gospels, which is forbidden unto them, thus I understood, the 1335 Blessing has to be the Two-witnesses whom return BEFORE the DOTL to turn Israel back unto God, thus they understand it all. These passages PROVE THIS.

Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

Those verses do not even address your opinion let alone prove it. He does not say Elijah will come 30 days before ...anything at all.

THEN in the very next verse after they REPENT we see the DOTL (1260 event) arrives !!

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

So, the Jews repent JUST BEFORE the DOTL arrives !! Thus the Two-witnesses are 1335 THE BLESSING that comes BEORE the DOTL hits in order to get Israel to repent !!

Of course they repent at the last hour. That has zero to do with any numbers you mention. Now if you are just suggesting that maybe the extra days are before the return of Jesus rather than after, well we could look at that as an opinion. So far it is not a strong case.

Everything fit this way, but In had one last test. Could the Two-witnesses showing up 75 days before the Beast Conquers Israel at the 1260 pass the end time TIMELINES? Yes, indeed it does, the Two-witnesses DIE at the 2nd Woe whilst the Beast DIES at the 7th Vial which is AFTER the 2nd Woe, thus there two timelines do not run exactly parallel with each others 1260 day ordained by Gid offices !! Meaning if the Two-witnesses DIE FIRST, they also have to SHOW UP FIRST, because they both have 1260 day ordained by Gid office on thus earth.

Chapter and verse that says the time the witnesses have is 1260 days?

So, I check every possible angle out always, I don't just guess brother. This is how I know the False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest. This is how I knw the Revelation TIMELINES so well.

You piled guesses on guesses and then inserted a high priest out of nowhere. That is not knowing. It is more like clowning around.

When one understands all this, they see that the Jews repent BEFORE the DOTL, thus now my Rev.7 understanding that the 144,000 are the Jews fleeing fits in because if they were fleeing where would we see them? Just before God's Wrath falls via the Rev. 8 Trumpet Judgments !!

They will SEE Him who they pierced and weep. That does not sound like a month before He returns!

On the bright side, another poster here brought to light that the seals may not be a sequence of events that proceed the trumpets and vials, but more of a synopsis or bird's eye view of what is coming, that is fleshed out more in descriptions of the vials and trumpets. That almost fits with your idea that the seals were a 'prophesy'

 

[The Light]

If that is the case, then the trumpets and vials are just going back for a look in more detail at what happened and was described in some of the the seals. Correct?

No, this is not correct. The seals have nothing to do with the trumpets and vials, other than the seventh seal must be opened before the wrath of God can begin. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel, when God has turned His attention to regrafting the Jews onto the olive tree. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel.
Dan 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Part of the Jews will have their eyes opened when the fullness of the Gentile comes in. They will not have their blindness removed until the Church is raptured.
Rom 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

To summarize, the Church is raptured to heaven before the 70th week of Daniel, as Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. Then the 1st seal is opened and the 70th week of Daniel begins as God has turned His attention to His Chosen. Part of Israel will have it's eyes opened after the Church is raptured, and they will realize that they missed the 1st harvest.
Jer 8:20
20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

The twelve tribes across the earth are the seed of the woman, Israel. They will be raptured from the earth at the 6th seal gathering from heaven and earth. The Church will be gathered from heaven and be with the Lord in the clouds. Then all will return to heaven for the marriage supper as Jacob had two brides. This is the great multitude which will of course include the dead in Christ and those that died during the 70th week of Daniel that were in Christ.

When the Lord comes at the 6th seal the believers of the twelve tribes across the earth will be raptured and the wrath of God will begin, as the very day Lot left Sodom, destruction came. The trumpets and vials are just different view of the wrath of God. Only those in the nation of Israel that flee to a place of protection and unbelievers will go through the wrath of God. None of Gods people are appointed to wrath.(which should tell us that the tribulation and wrath are different)

The wrath of God ends at the 7th trumpet.
Rev 11
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

The wrath of God also ends at the 7th vial. The trumpets and vials are different views of the same time period which is the wrath of God.

Rev 16
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

What difference does it make exactly? Here are the verses

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Daniel 12:12
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Why speculate about the extra 75 days?

Its not speculation, its fact, and its not extra days, its the number of days until the 2nd Coming.

It makes a ton of difference, firstly I was so sleepy that was not a very good presentation, I even forgot to say this part below, which shows why it matters so much. So, since the Two-witnesses show up at the 1335 and TURN Israel back unto God JUST BEFORE the Day of the Lord who is THE SACRIFICE they are now worshiping in the Temple of God? It is Jesus Christ, get the point now? I always put that in this presentation, but I could barley keep my eyes open.

So, THE SACRIFICE that is TAKEN AWAY (by the Jewish High Priest, gone rogue, like unto Jason) is Jesus worship. Then the AoD is placed by this same High Priest, he gets angry that millions of Jews are worshiping Jesus in the temple, he then forbids Jesus Worship in the Temple and places an IMAGE of the E.U. President in the Temple of God to spite them, Israel is going to become a part of the E.U. that is the Covenant (which simply means Agreement in Hebrew).

Did you know that Israel has signed an "Agreement" via the European Neighborhood Policy" where they and THE MANY (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya and Morocco) have all signed onto an Agreement with the E.U. and the E.U. has provided 15 billion in Euro funds (carrot and stick approach) and these deals actually run in 7 year cycles? From 2007-2013 and from 2014 to 2020. It can be plainly seen at Wikipedia AND if you read Dan. 11:40-43 you can also see just who all the Anti-Christ Conquers and guess who they are, those named above, the Mediterranean Sea Region = Israel and THE MANY. Then, the E.U. will look just like the Old Roman Empire on a map, like Papa like Son. European Neighbourhood Policy - Wikipedia

European Union PLUS its target nations BELOW:




Old Roman Empire circa 117 AD



Turkey loses her Armies in the Gog and Magog Wars, so allow me to walk you through just what happens in this "Invasion in the Middle of the Week" as seen in Dan. 11:40-43.

Dan. 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north(Anti-Christ) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries (THE MANY in Dan. 8:25 and Dan. 9:27), and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land(Israel), and MANY countries shall be overthrown{Not just Israel} but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. {{ This is the Mountainous area of Central and Southern Jordan, where Israel will flee unto, the Petra/Bozrah areas where 3-5 million people flee unto.}}

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

So he ROLLS THROUGH Many countries to get at Israel, namely Turkey, Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, BUT he is not allowed by God to conquer Moab, Ammon nor Edom (shown below) but he does conquers Egypt, Libya and Ethiopia, well back in the day those three nations pretty much covered most of North Africa on a map. So, he conquers ALL of North Africa, Turkey, Egypt Syria, Lebanon and most of Jordan save Edom, Moab and Ammon. (The Petra/Bozrah Sheep Fold area)



Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall DESTROY MANY: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes(Jesus); but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan. 9:27 And he(AC) shall confirm the covenant WITH MANY for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause(cause as in he pressures the False Prophet to do this) the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The Anti-Christ doesn't just enter into an AGREEMENT (Covenant) with Israel, he enters into an Agreement with the WHOLE REGION !! Then he goes forth Conquering the Mediterranean Sea Region just like all of the other Beasts did throughout history !!

Now lets look at him from the Daniel chapter 8 perspective in the Four Way Directional Box !!

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn(End Time A.C.), which waxed exceeding great, TOWARDS the south,(Egypt/Ptolemy) and TOWARDS the east,(Turkey or the Seleucid's) and TOWARDS the pleasant land.(Israel)

So, since we know he conquers Israel the TOWARDS signifies conquering (Waxing Great Towards), and thus we know he Conquers Turkey (Seleucid) and Egypt (Ptolemy) thus he can only conquer from the Northwest corridor(Greece) of this "Four Way SIMPLE Directional Box" God gave us, thus he must come forth out of Greece or be born in Greece (like Antiochus) for this Dan. 8 and 11, END TIME BATTLE between the King of the North and the King of the South. And alas only Greece is in the European Union where his POWER BASE will be at !! One other added bit of information, he will have Assyrian Blood (the Turks, Iraqis and Syrians of old made up Assyria). Turkey has a common border with Greece so there has been much migration back and forth over the years, so it is not news that Turks live in Greece and are also born there.

Question, have you ever thought about this point? Would Gabriel and the Man in Linen (Jesus) really ever have been speaking about a DEFILED MEAT SACRIFICE being TAKEN AWAY in the end times? And how could taking away one DEFILEMENT and then placing an AoD in the Temple defile that which was ALREADY DEFILED? It couldn't, but when 3-5 million Jews come unto their Messiah weeping (Zechariah 12:10, Zechariah 13:1-2) and they start worshiping Jesus in the Temple of God, the Temple will have been CLEANSED !! Then this False Prophet who has two horns like a Lamb but speaks like a Dragon (Jewish High Priest like as unto Jason) FORBIDS Jesus worship in "his temple" and places an Image of the E.U. President up in the Temple, thus the Jews at the 1290 point in time will have 30 days to Flee Judea before the 1260 event where Jerusalem and the whole region will get conquered, which makes common sense right? God would not give a SIGN to the Jews after the Anti-Christ had conquered them !!

What others profess to know, I have done the grunt work on and put in prayer, at 23, while others were partying, (I smoked pot from 9 to 22 myself) I was in my bed praying all night for wisdom and clarity. Amen. God blesses those who seek His face, we all know that.

So, indeed it MATTERS, the 1335, 1290 ad 1260 are the key unto ALL End Time Prophetic understandings.

 

[No Pre-TB]

To summarize, the Church is raptured to heaven before the 70th week of Daniel, as Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood

That doesn’t make any sense.
You said, Noah is in the ark 7 days before wrath. If we are raptured before wrath, and you’re counting the entire 70th week as wrath, we’d be in heaven 7 years before it…just like Noah? If we’re in heaven 7 years before wrath, and the 70th week lasts 7 years, you’re stating we are off world for 14 years. That is unbiblical.

If you’re stating we rapture immediately before wrath, then it isn’t like Noah, if you suggest he entered 7 days prior. Something in your eschatology isn’t hermeneutically sound.

We resurrect/rapture immediately before wrath. But you can’t have it both ways and it needs to be logical. So when you’re going to use Noah, it’s better to find out why your logic isn’t standing firm.

 

[dad]

The seals have nothing to do with the trumpets and vials

So you see the seals as events that happen prior to the trumpets and vials. OK. Kind of a build up to them.

other than the seventh seal must be opened before the wrath of God can begin.

Revelation 6:17
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

You must think this verse is a prophesy then, rather than something stated as happening? Trying to get your opinion straight here. You think the Rapture is after the sixth seal, and then comes the wrath, right?

The seals are the 70th week of Daniel, when God has turned His attention to regrafting the Jews onto the olive tree. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel.

OK, so then you say that all the six seals are the tribulation period of seven years.

Part of the Jews will have their eyes opened when the fullness of the Gentile comes in. They will not have their blindness removed until the Church is raptured.

When do you think the fullness of the Gentiles comes?

To summarize, the Church is raptured to heaven before the 70th week of Daniel, as Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood. Then the 1st seal is opened and the 70th week of Daniel begins as God has turned His attention to His Chosen. Part of Israel will have it's eyes opened after the Church is raptured, and they will realize that they missed the 1st harvest.

Ok so after the tribulation when Jesus has returned (obviously He returns right after the tribulation) you see all the trumpets and vials happening. Correct?

The twelve tribes across the earth are the seed of the woman, Israel. They will be raptured from the earth at the 6th seal gathering from heaven and earth. The Church will be gathered from heaven and be with the Lord in the clouds.

So now, after the sixth seal, you think the church from heaven returns to the air above earth and gets together with a newly Raptured saved Israel.

Then all will return to heaven for the marriage supper as Jacob had two brides. This is the great multitude which will of course include the dead in Christ and those that died during the 70th week of Daniel that were in Christ.

When the Lord comes at the 6th seal the believers of the twelve tribes across the earth will be raptured and the wrath of God will begin, as the very day Lot left Sodom, destruction came.

The only saved on earth at this time, you think will be Jews?

The trumpets and vials are just different view of the wrath of God. Only those in the nation of Israel that flee to a place of protection and unbelievers will go through the wrath of God. None of Gods people are appointed to wrath.(which should tell us that the tribulation and wrath are different)

So now you relegate the wrath of God to a few areas near Israel. Right?

The wrath of God ends at the 7th trumpet.

So all the trumpets happen after Jesus returns, and all wrath is limited to some sections of Israel in your view. Therefore after Jesus returns to earth, you think things like this will be going on

Revelation 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

The wrath of God also ends at the 7th vial. The trumpets and vials are different views of the same time period which is the wrath of God.

So now you think that vials and trumpets are very much related after all. OK

It does not seem to make sense that there are long periods of hell on earth after Jesus returns with wrath being poured out. It also does not ring true that the wrath of God refers only to little Israel.
Jesus even mentioned men's hearts would fail them in fear of those things coming on the earth. (not for fear of things going on in Israel)

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Revelation 11:10
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Speculation. We are told that from an event we have 1290 days. It does not say anything about a false prophet. We can guess. For example some might guess it is some extra time for a clean up after the last battle or etc. We are not told, and I don't see how it matters to the OP here?

Nor could it, I explained why? Do you read the posts in full brother? I guess these things are difficult to see at first glance. God could not tell the Jews in circa 500 BC that a coming False Prophet (Jewish High Priest) would betray them and throw in with the enemy, they would have killed every other High Priest via suspicion, and history, like Antiochus and Jason might never have happened, the Jews might have fought so hard that they eventually got wiped out before Jesus showed up, instead of being taken over. I don't just guess my brother, the 1290 and 1335 are facts that add up.

Please with the OP stuff, that is why people miss important points. The TIMING of all End Time Events are solved only when one understands the 1290 and 1335. So it is relevant

Guessing and speculation.

Must be your fav. word. You not understanding means others speculate, that's funny. It makes you look rather uninterested in the facts tbh. Its a DODGE.

Well, if they do not even go back in to get a coat for the cool nights, where do you get 30 days for fleeing? Jesus did not say pray your flight was not in January, or June. He said pray it was not on the Israeli Sabbath day. So sticking 30 days in there is not a strong idea.

Some may not even understand these things until after they happen, some of the Jews may only come unto Christ 5-10 days before the allotted time runs out, they also have 275-300 miles to flee to get to the Petra/Bozrah area, some people might have to walk, who knows. Jesus is telling them to get out of dodge as soon as possible because if they don't the Anti-Christ will kill them, if we both knew our families had only 30 days to get out of town and make it 300 miles unto safety, or they would die, we would both be like GO NOW !! HURRY, your car may break down, don't wait, GO NOW, GO, GO, GO !! Also, not everyone will find out on the day of the AoD etc. etc. Jesus gave us the Church an URGENT WARNING also about the soon to come Rapture, by telling us to always be ready, and that was 2000 years or so ago, when he spoke about future events !! It is all relative. Those Jews need to heed Jesus' warning or the Anti-Christ will kill them, these are facts brother.

The Sabbath line means nothing really unless understood in full, he is basically just pointing out that you may even have to flee on the Sabbath, that was said to demonstrate the urgency, so if they find out one day before this is to go down, or 2 to 3 days, and they are at dusk on Friday evening, this message is SO IMPORTANT and SO URGENT that they will still have to flee on the Sabbath, so what that meant was Pray you will find out with time enough so you will not have to flee on the Sabbath. In other words pray you find out soon enough so that you will not have to flee on the Sabbath, because if you find out on a Friday evening and you have only a few days left, you will thus have to flee on the Sabbath. That was Jesus' whole point.

Those verses do not even address your opinion let alone prove it. He does not say Elijah will come 30 days before ...anything at all.

The 1335 is 45 days before the 1290 and 75 days before the 1260. Those numbers are FACTS and everyone can add and subtract I think. 1335 - 1290 = 45....1335 - 1260 = 75. Its common sense.

The Bible says Elijah will show up BEFORE the DOTL (1260), to turn Israel BACK UNTO God.

Of course they repent at the last hour. That has zero to do with any numbers you mention. Now if you are just suggesting that maybe the extra days are before the return of Jesus rather than after, well we could look at that as an opinion. So far it is not a strong case.

Of course it does, they don't just REPENT without Elijah and Moses preaching repent, repent, repent just like John did 2000 years earlier. They wouldn't even understand they need to flee Judea, they have never heard Matt. 24:15-17, its forbidden for Jews to read the New Testament. In Rev. 11 where John is told to take a REED and Measure the "Temple & them that Worship therein" That is God showing us the Two-witnesses parameters as per unto whom they are sent unto, just like Jesus they are sent unto the Jews ONLY....Measure not the Gentile Court means they are sent unto the Jews ONLY !! To get them to repent !! So, Moses and Elijah shows up in Glorious bodies and they preach Repent, Repent, Repent, of course these Jews will be slayed by the Holy Spirit, they will understand its of God, well 1/3 will anyway, that's a lot of people.

There are no EXTRA DAYS, each number is a set number of days until the Second Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45. Why is this so difficult? Because people hold on unto their MEN'S TRADITIONS just like the Pharisees did. It is sadly just human nature.

Chapter and verse that says the time the witnesses have is 1260 days?

Rev. 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.(sent unto the Jews only)

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

{{ The Two-witnesses witness for 1260 days, then they DIE at the 2nd Woe HERE..........at the hand of Apollyon. (Scarlet Colored Beast from the bottomless Pit}}

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev. 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

They die at the Second Woe, the Beast dies 75 days later at the 7th Vial, I know its 75 days because I understand the 1335 is 75 days BEFORE the 1260. God doesn't have to allow them to die, He does so to give is a JUXTAPOSED TIMELINE, the 1260 day Ordained Offices BOTH HAVE can thus be juxtaposed against when they show up and when they die. But as told in Daniel only the wise will understand. Meaning those people of God.

You piled guesses on guesses and then inserted a high priest out of nowhere. That is not knowing. It is more like clowning around.

NO.........I did an Exegesis on every king in Daniel 11, here below....... I never tried to promote this site, I just used the site to save my material onto when Disqus threw us off Disqus (It's free). prophecyunvieled.home.blog/2019/08/21/the-daniel-11-conflict-settled-once-and-for-all-the-anti-christ-or-antiochus-epiphanes/

Jason as seen in 2 Maccabees 4:7-10:9 Bible Gateway passage: 2 Maccabees 4:7-10:9 - New American Bible (Revised Edition)

Jason (Hebrew: Yason, יאסון) was the High Priest of Israel from around 175 BCE to 171 BCE during the Second Temple period of Judaism. He was of the Oniad family and was brother to Onias III, his predecessor as High Priest.

Jason (High Priest) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Jason_(High_Priest)

 

[Ronald D Milam]

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I do the grunt work brother, I do not guess. Others guess, I have way to much fear of God to make unintelligent guesses like a lot of people do, so I inform myself like Daniel did by studying. Daniel was reading Jeremiah in Dan. 9 when Gabriel came unto him. It says so in the passage.

Antiochus was bribed by Jason, who loved the Greek ways, he even changed his named unto Jason, the Greek form of Yeshua, just like Jesus is the same name in another Greek form very similar, as is Joshua. He welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus, these are historical facts brother. He then tired to mandate the Jews become like the Greeks (Hellenization). He built a Gymnasium, do you know what the Greeks did at Gyms (look it up) the men frolicked around in the nude all day playing sports games (basically a homosexual hangout). So, just like now, they sought to change TIMES & SEASONS or Culture and Norms, that is what we see now with Homosexual marriage AND with Transgender weirdos being accepted and pushed as normal. That is what Jason tried to do unto the Jews in his day. And that is what led to the Maccabean Revolt. So, we had a people repent and then stand up and fight, well Jesus will defeat them all this time, after the Jews repent, once and for all. Amen

They will SEE Him who they pierced and weep. That does not sound like a month before He returns!
On the bright side, another poster here brought to light that the seals may not be a sequence of events that proceed the trumpets and vials, but more of a synopsis or bird's eye view of what is coming, that is fleshed out more in descriptions of the vials and trumpets. That almost fits with your idea that the seals were a 'prophesy'

Sure it does, they UNDERSTAND Jesus is their Lord, it is PROSE, I wept when I came unto Christ didn't you? I SAW HIM for who he was, the Lamb of God who died for me !! The Jews finally see the Jesus they rejected died fir them !!

My brother, I joke not, it really doesn't matter that much, we will be gone anyway, but I am 100 percent in the know in all of this, its just a gift man. When we get most everything on the TIMIMG DOWN, then we can see clearly everything that is going to happen like a movie on a screen.

Yes, God the Father wrote the book of Revelation and gave it to Jesus, but it was given unto John in vision and words thus all of the AND...AND....AND....AND like 1200 times, John was basically given a play by play and God so encoded the Book of Revelation that most people just can't grasp it to be honest.

God Bless.

 

[dad]

So, since the Two-witnesses show up at the 1335 and TURN Israel back unto God JUST BEFORE the Day of the Lord who is THE SACRIFICE they are now worshiping in the Temple of God? It is Jesus Christ, get the point now?

If Israel worshipped God, He would immediately destroy all their enemies. No one would be invading them!

So, THE SACRIFICE that is TAKEN AWAY (by the Jewish High Priest, gone rogue, like unto Jason) is Jesus worship.

The daily sacrifice was a historical thing. It refers to something specific. They sacrificed animals showing how that Jesus would come one day and save them. It happened at a certain time and a certain way. The time of Jacob's trouble is the time God uses to get them to repent and be saved. We would not see them already repented before it starts!

Would Gabriel and the Man in Linen (Jesus) really ever have been speaking about a DEFILED MEAT SACRIFICE being TAKEN AWAY in the end times?

The blasphemy of still sacrificing animals shows they did not accept the Messiah. Why did you think God allowed them to go through all this?

And how could taking away one DEFILEMENT and then placing an AoD in the Temple defile that which was ALREADY DEFILED?

I guess we'll find out one day.

So, indeed it MATTERS, the 1335, 1290 ad 1260 are the key unto ALL End Time Prophetic understandings.

They all do fit. The issue is how.

 

[Davy]

Why would it matter if anything applied to the tribes God picks people from in the end? Are you saying they are not Jews (as is commonly thought of as Jews)

No, the northern tribes of Israel were not known as Jews. The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said the title of 'Jew' comes from the tribe of Judah, and was applied to those that returned from the seventy years Babylon captivity. That wasn't Israel (ten tribes) that went captive to Babylon by king Nebuchadnezzar; it was the "house of Judah" (Jews).

Well obviously they try to attack all believers. That is news? You just want to lump gentile and Jew together apparently. Why not just be clear?

No lumping being done. The Christian west today represents the "house of Israel", simply because that is where the majority of the ten tribes were scattered to, fulfilling God's promise that Jacob would become "a company of nations". In that same Genesis prophecy God said He would made of Jacob "a nation, and a company of nations". The one nation represents the Israel in the middle east, and the company of nations represents the Israel in the West.

It was also for us today. But who cares who you think it was TO? The main thing is when the prophesy talks about. That is still future. So why try to use that for your alternative history lesson?

No, the Book of Hosea is not 'all' for Christ's Church today, only the part that Apostle Paul quoted in Romans 9, which is about God having mercy on those that He said are 'not My people' to include the Gentiles. It was about the ten tribe northern kingdom all along when God called them Lo-ammi, meaning 'not My people'. You need to actually READ the Book of Hosea and quit playing games as if you have.

So what? The 12 tribes God picks people from obviously DO involve Israel. Not just some old division either.

That only shows how deceived you are about this. Of the Rev.7 144,000, only 3 of those tribes represent Jews of the "house of Judah". The rest all represent scattered lost ten tribe Israelites of the "house of Israel", which are not called Jews. Again, the term Jew referred historically only to the southern "kingdom of Judah" made up of the 3 tribes, Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

Not when it talked of 'in that day' etc. You are conflating history with future.

No sense in continuing this conversation, you only make up more stuff as you go along, simply because you don't know what you're talking about, not knowing God's Word.

 

[Davy]

Yeah, many people can pinpoint the coming of Jesus to AFTER THE TRIBULATION. And yet, He is coming in an hour that you think not. I'd say both are correct. Learn the parable of the fig tree.

I well know the parable of the fig tree. And I also know the Signs Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse for His Church to be watching, leading up to His return. Those Signs are also the Seals of Revelation 6. And in that there is NOTHING about a rapture prior to the great tribulation.

Even in 2 Thessalonians 2, Apostle Paul showed that Christ's coming and gathering of the Church requires two main events to happen first, a great falling away, and the revealing of the future "man of sin" sitting in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, proclaiming himself as God, working miracles to deceive. The only mention in that chapter about Jesus' coming is to destroy... that 'man of sin', which is obvious that means ending the great tribulation.

Make excuses all you want, but you are not able to argue the false pre-trib rapture position from The Bible.

 

[dad]

God could not tell the Jews in circa 500 BC that a coming False Prophet (Jewish High Priest) would betray them and throw in with the enemy, they would have killed every other High Priest via suspicion

If that were the case, that could be one of the reasons God woulda coulda shoulda done that. However, your speculation is nothing more than a guess. We do not know who the false prophet or beast are yet. Period. Nor do we know their titles or jobs before they rise to be the beast and false prophet.

Jesus gave us the Church an URGENT WARNING also about the soon to come Rapture, by telling us to always be ready, and that was 2000 years or so ago, when he spoke about future events !! It is all relative. Those Jews need to heed Jesus' warning or the Anti-Christ will kill them, these are facts brother.

Of course the people need to heed when that time comes. How does this support anything you have claimed?

The 1335 is 45 days before the 1290 and 75 days before the 1260. Those numbers are FACTS and everyone can add and subtract I think. 1335 - 1290 = 45....1335 - 1260 = 75. Its common sense.

Maybe. But that is opinion and does not support your claims such as that the false prophet must be a high priest and etc etc etc.

The Bible says Elijah will show up BEFORE the DOTL (1260), to turn Israel BACK UNTO God.

Right, and He said John was Elijah if we could receive it. Yes there will come a great prophet, two actually. So? How does that help your claims?

Of course it does, they don't just REPENT without Elijah and Moses preaching repent, repent, repent just like John did 2000 years earlier. They wouldn't even understand they need to flee Judea, they have never heard Matt. 24:15-17, its forbidden for Jews to read the New Testament. In Rev. 11 where John is told to take a REED and Measure the "Temple & them that Worship therein" That is God showing us the Two-witnesses parameters as per unto whom they are sent unto, just like Jesus they are sent unto the Jews ONLY..

So their death would not affect the whole world much. Why then does all the world party and cheer and celebrate with a new holiday when they die?? Your claims do not meet even the minimum standards.

There are no EXTRA DAYS, each number is a set number of days until the Second Coming ENDS ALL OF THESE WONDERS Daniel saw in Dan. 11:36-45. Why is this so difficult? Because people hold on unto their MEN'S TRADITIONS just like the Pharisees did. It is sadly just human nature.

If we look at 1260 and then we see it is 75 days more, some might call that more days. You can call is strawberry custard if you like.

They die at the Second Woe, the Beast dies 75 days later at the 7th Vial, I know its 75 days because I understand the 1335 is 75 days BEFORE the 1260.

Speculation. All you know is how to repeat the word know, and think that this means something. Even if it happened that you somehow were right on one point, it would not be because you knew. So let's look at that. Let's say there are 75 days before the Great Tribulation starts and the abomination of desolation is placed. So? What exactly is it you think must happen on the 75th day before?? Seems to me anyone could insert any number of pet theories in there if they wanted.

God doesn't have to allow them to die, He does so to give is a JUXTAPOSED TIMELINE,

Speculation. In other words you are limiting why God allows something to your pet theory. Maybe He has other reasons! You can't say 'see, they died, and it is only to show my convoluted number scheme was correct'.

Jason as seen in 2 Maccabees

So what? Never heard of him and who cares? That has no relation to the OP or Tribulation etc.

 

[dad]

That is what Jason tried to do unto the Jews in his day. And that is what led to the Maccabean Revolt. So, we had a people repent and then stand up and fight, well Jesus will defeat them all this time, after the Jews repent, once and for all. Amen

That has...what..to do with the end period discussed here?

My brother, I joke not, it really doesn't matter that much we will be gone anyway, but I am 100 percent in the know in all of this, its just a gift man.

Go ahead an pat yourself on the back all you like.

When we get most everything on the TIMIMG DOWN, then we can see clearly everything that is going to happen like a movie on a screen.

What is it about 75 days before the Great Trib begins that you think is so vital?

 

[Nancy]

Interesting. Sometimes though, a prophesy can refer to more than one time. In the end, when the AntiChrist enters the holy place, for example, that is the time when people are to drop what they are doing and flee. In fact I would say that is the highest fulfillment of that prophesy. After all, verse 23 says 'For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled" I don't think we could say it was all fulfilled yet.

Like Eze 38,39, where you see the prophesy apply to more than one war.

There does seem to be duel meanings of some of the same verses...

Proverbs 25:2
"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

And the next verse tells me that we Christians ARE kings already. It's like digging for the finest gold.

Revelation 1:5-6
"And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen."

 

[Keraz]

I know its 75 days because I understand the 1335 is 75 days BEFORE the 1260.

That you are in error, is shown by the timing of the; as yet unfulfilled Feast Days;

All of time periods given are from the middle of the 70th week setting up of the Abomination of Desolation.
In the last seven years before Jesus Returns, which will commence with the agreement of a 7 year peace treaty between the leader of the One World Government and the leaders of the nation in the holy Land. The first half will be peaceful, so is not mentioned. But when half is spent; Daniel 9:27, the OWG leader will break it and conquer them, at which time the Great Tribulation also begins.


Daniels’ days of 1260, 1290, and 1335 are linked to the fulfilment of the last three Feasts of the Lord. Christ fulfilled the four spring feasts at His first Advent.
They are Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits and Pentecost. Scholars have noted that they were fulfilled precisely and on the day Appointed.

It is accepted by many Bible students, with a fair level of confidence: that Christ will fulfill the Fall Feasts at His second coming…….precisely and on the days appointed.


They are the: Feast of Trumpets, Feast of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles.
1260 days……Starting at the midpoint, the Antichrist is given authority for 3 ½ years….42 months…time, times and half a time. These are all equivalents of 1260 days.

The Antichrists reign ends when Jesus Returns to the earth, which occurs at the end of the 70th week. Satan, the ‘beast’, the Anti-Christ is chained up then.

It is likely that the Return may occur on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement: Jewish calendar: Tishri 10
From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1290 days. ……Daniel 12:11

30 days after Jesus Returns; the Jewish calendar date for 30 days after Tishri 10 is Cheshvan 10. This is the day that Noah and his family entered the ark then 7 days later, the Flood came. Genesis 7:10
This 30 days may be the celebration of the marriage supper of the Lamb. Revelation 19:5-9 It includes the Feast of Tabernacles on Tishri 15 to the 22nd.

How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days! Daniel 12:12

Hanukkah is the feast that celebrates the rededication of the temple, on Kislev 25
It was desecrated by the first Abomination of Desolation set up by Antiochus 4th Epiphanes in the second century BC. It is exactly 75 days after Tishri 10.

The 1335th day will be another rededication of the Temple, again on Hanukkah, the celebration of lighting the candles, and Jesus will then take up His residence in it as Ruler of the world for the next thousand years.

Ronald M, your promotion of the 30 and 75 days being BEFORE the 1260 days of the final half of the 70th 'week', is quite wrong and contradicts the how the Bible shows they follow the 1260 day period. AFTER Jesus Returns.
From what I see of your posts, and your self promotion, very little of what you say is Biblically correct.

 

[dad]

No, the northern tribes of Israel were not known as Jews. The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said the title of 'Jew' comes from the tribe of Judah, and was applied to those that returned from the seventy years Babylon captivity. That wasn't Israel (ten tribes) that went captive to Babylon by king Nebuchadnezzar; it was the "house of Judah" (Jews).

Why get hung up on the word Jew? We all know that Israel is about people descended from 'Jews' whatever you want to call them. Prophesy is also. You seem intent on waving away a Jewish reality in Israel for some reason.

No lumping being done. The Christian west today represents the "house of Israel",

I don't believe you. There are many people of Jewish descent all over, but you seem to dismiss Israel?

simply because that is where the majority of the ten tribes were scattered to, fulfilling God's promise that Jacob would become "a company of nations". In that same Genesis prophecy God said He would made of Jacob "a nation, and a company of nations". The one nation represents the Israel in the middle east, and the company of nations represents the Israel in the West.

Except the US and other nations are not really Jewish persay. They are a mix of a lot of things. To claim the whole western world represents Israel is foolishness.

No, the Book of Hosea is not 'all' for Christ's Church today, only the part that Apostle Paul quoted in Romans 9, which is about God having mercy on those that He said are 'not My people' to include the Gentiles. It was about the ten tribe northern kingdom all along when God called them Lo-ammi, meaning 'not My people'. You need to actually READ the Book of Hosea and quit playing games as if you have.

When I look at Hosea it is usually in regards to the prophesies there. Not to wave Israel away, or try to dredge up support for calling the western nations Israel or representing Israel. God knows what the Israel that will be invaded is. Why would He need to argue with you?

That only shows how deceived you are about this. Of the Rev.7 144,000, only 3 of those tribes represent Jews of the "house of Judah". The rest all represent scattered lost ten tribe Israelites of the "house of Israel", which are not called Jews. Again, the term Jew referred historically only to the southern "kingdom of Judah" made up of the 3 tribes, Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.

Nothing is lost to God. He knows where the tribes and worthy folks from the tribes are to be found. No one needs your opinion that maybe He has to look only in the west or whatever.