Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus a created angel who is "other than the God who made all things." He said that Jesus was inferior to God and "never did anything except what the Creator . . . willed him to do and say."
View Justin Martyr quotes | Look at the exact quoted words of Justin. The key phrases, "created angel" and " inferior to God" are not Justin's but the Watchtowers! Justin never said this! Justin taught that before incarnation that Jesus was God, not a created angel. Justin explicitly taught the uncreated deity of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit. Further, Justin outright said that all three were to be worshipped as God! Justin never says Jesus is a created angel. Justin never refers to Jesus as an angel before creation. Justin, however, does refer to Jesus as the "angel of the Lord" after creation in various appearances to man. Many but not all Trinitarians would have no problem affirming, along side of Justin, that Jesus as uncreated God, was referred to as the Angel of Jehovah. View Justin Martyr quotes |
Irenaeus, who died about 200 C.E., said that the prehuman Jesus had a separate existence from God and was inferior to him. He showed that Jesus is not equal to the "One true and only God," who is "supreme over all, and besides whom there is no other."
View Irenaeus quotes. | Irenaus was explicitly Trinitarian. He was a student of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of Apostle John. The Watchtower comment on Irenaeus is wasted ink because standard Trinitarian theology teaches that Jesus is separate from the Father and although equal as class of being God is inferior in rank. (Just like a wife is equal as class of being to her husband, but inferior in rank and authority) But since Irenaeus outright call Jesus eternally co-existent God the son with God the Father, and specifically NOT an angel, watchtower writers felt that this little "non-blurb" about Irenaeus was better than nothing! So the comment merely echoes what Trinitarians teach, while giving the false impression that the comment refutes trinity, which it does not! Clever like the Devil, but typical of Jehovah's Witnesses!
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Clement of Alexandria, who died about 215 C.E., called Jesus in his prehuman existence "a creature" but called God "the uncreated and imperishable and only true God." He said that the Son "is next to the only omnipotent Father" but not equal to him.
View Clement of Alexandria quotes. | First and foremost, Clement never calls Jesus a creature... PERIOD! The Watchtower is lying! In fact Clement outright says that Jesus is eternally pre-existent ("unbeginning eternity") and "uncreated". The Alexandrian "school" was apparently founded by Apostle Mark and Apollos of Acts 18:24. It was here, that Clement Alexandria learned Trinitarian theology. JW's satanically project the exact opposite view of Clement of what he really taught! These two quotes say it all!
"There was then, a Word importing an unbeginning eternity; as also the Word itself, that is, the Son of God, who being, by equality of substance, one with the Father, is eternal and uncreated." (Clement, Fragments, Part I, section III, 190 AD)
"I understand nothing else than the Holy Trinity to be meant; for the third is the Holy Spirit, and the Son is the second, by whom all things were made according to the will of the Father." (Clement, Stromata, Book V, ch. 14)
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Tertullian, who died about 230 C.E., taught the supremacy of God. He observed: "The Father is different from the Son (another), as he is greater; as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent." He also said: "There was a time when the Son was not. . . . Before all things, God was alone."
View Terullian quotes. | Tertullian was explicitly Trinitarian and said, "Never did any angel descend for the purpose of being crucified" (Tertullian, On the Flesh of Christ, ch 6); "All the Scriptures give clear proof of the Trinity (Tertullian, Against Praxeas, ch 11); "The origins of both his [Christ's] substances display him as man and as God: from the one, born, and from the other, not born" (Tertullian, The Flesh of Christ, 5:6-7)
Just as JW's attribute words to Clement (see above) that he never said, so too with Tertullian. We draw your attention to the fact that the quoted words, "There was a time when the Son was not" are not Tertullian's, but those of Bishop Kaye in his appendix section on Tertullian. (Bishop Kaye, Account of the Writings of Tertullian, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol 3, p 1181). Kaye, Tertullian, some Trinitarians and all Modalists teach that Jesus was eternally pre-existent as God, and that the title of "Son" was first applied to Jesus after his incarnation. Just as a man cannot be called a father, until after he has a son, so too Jesus cannot be called a Son until after he was physically born via incarnation. This is the gist of what Kaye is saying Tertullian taught. To support this, notice this comment by Tertullian, "For He could not have been the Father previous to the Son, nor a judge previous to sin" (Against Hermogones, Ch. 3).
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Hippolytus, who died about 235 C.E., said that God is "the one God, the first and the only One, the Maker and Lord of all," who "had nothing co-eval [of equal age] with him . . . But he was One, alone by himself; who, willing it, called into being what had no being before," such as the created prehuman Jesus.
View Hippolytus quotes. | Hippolytus was explicitly Trinitarian as he even applies Rev 1:8 to Christ and calls Jesus "The Almighty" several times. He also said, "As far as regards the power, therefore, God is one. But as far as regards the economy there is a threefold manifestation" (Hippolytus, Against The Heresy Of One Noetus) "the fact that Christ, the Maker of all ... was baptized in the Jordan." (Hippolytus, Discourse On The Holy Theophany) But notice what else Hippolytus said, "Beside Him there was nothing; but He [God], while existing alone, yet existed in plurality." (Hippolytus, Against Noetus, Part 10)
The watchtower falsely attributes to Hippolytus the phrase, "created prehuman Jesus", as he nowhere says anything like this... just more watchtower lies and deception. So Hippolytus actually taught that the Trinity (Father, Son and HS) was one God "had nothing co-eval [of equal age] with him . . . But he was One, alone by himself; who, willing it, called into being what had no being before." So Hippolytus actually applied these words to Christ as well as the Father and the Holy Spirit!
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