Theosis vs Christlikeness

[David in NJ]

I believe that if the Father hadn't looked away briefly, Jesus couldn't have died. Isn't that like us too at various times.......times when we "feel" forsaken by the Lord and the heavens are as brass are the times/seasons when something in us is dying that needs to die, or we are dying out to it.

No one could kill the LORD.

“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself.
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
This command I have received from My Father.” - John 10:18

 

[face2face]

Brazen serpent........only because all sin and evil was laid on Him as the scapegoat. Not His own sins/iniquity because He didn't have any.

What did the Brazen Serpent represent?
Think Lizbeth think!

 

[face2face]

Jesus died once, sinless, hence He resurrected because He was sinless, beating death.

Ah I see what you did there Pro...nice twist!

He died to sin once.

How so?

 

[face2face]

@ProDeo

Did Jesus take part in your nature (not two!) Sin's Flesh?

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. Romans 6:8-10

You have two problems to solve.

1. How did death have dominion over Christ
2. Why was it necessary for Christ to die to sin once

If you answer only deals with the sins of humanity then you have failed to understand the try Gospel @Lizbeth (you should be able to answer!)

I deeply love the Gospel, and it saddens me to see so many who profess to follow Christ without truly understanding who he was in the flesh.

F2F

 

[ProDeo]

@ProDeo

Did Jesus take part in your nature (not two!) Sin's Flesh?

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. Romans 6:8-10

You have two problems to solve.

1. How did death have dominion over Christ
2. Why was it necessary for Christ to die to sin once

If you answer only deals with the sins of humanity then you have failed to understand the try Gospel @Lizbeth (you should be able to answer!)

I deeply love the Gospel, and it saddens me to see so many who profess to follow Christ without truly understanding who he was in the flesh.

F2F

First of all, I don't understand you.

Secondly, I don't want to understand those who promote that Jesus was a sinner.

 

[David in NJ]

What did the Brazen Serpent represent?
Think Lizbeth think!

THINK @face2face THINK

The Israelites were being bitten by venomous snakes suffering serious sickness and dying with NO CURE!!!

Therefore God had Moses make the brazen serpent on the 'pole' and whoever looked upon it were CURED!!!


SAME - Mankind was 'bitten/stung' by the king of venom, the Serpent/Satan and man can NEVER find a cure.

as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

Isa 45:22 - “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

BELIEVE, f2f, BELIEVE every word that God has spoken = when you do you will be on the Path that leads to the LORD Jesus Christ

@Lizbeth

 

[ProDeo]

JESUS says: "whatever you ask(prayer) in My Name"

But of course !

 

[face2face]

First of all, I don't understand you.

Secondly, I don't want to understand those who promote that Jesus was a sinner.

Where have I said Jesus was a sinner?

 

[face2face]

THINK @face2face THINK

The Israelites were being bitten by venomous snakes suffering serious sickness and dying with NO CURE!!!

Therefore God had Moses make the brazen serpent on the 'pole' and whoever looked upon it were CURED!!!


SAME - Mankind was 'bitten/stung' by the king of venom, the Serpent/Satan and man can NEVER find a cure.

as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.

Isa 45:22 - “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

BELIEVE, f2f, BELIEVE every word that God has spoken = when you do you will be on the Path that leads to the LORD Jesus Christ

@Lizbeth

David, David, David

Bronze is symbolic of the flesh! Mic. 4:13.

You have much to learn of the brazen serpent!

F2F

 

[face2face]

First of all, I don't understand you.

Are you concerning that you do not understand Romans 6?

This would be "the" Gospel chapter in the greater Gospel work written and you are saying you don't understand it?

F2F

 

[face2face]

THINK @face2face THINK

The Israelites were being bitten by venomous snakes suffering serious sickness and dying with NO CURE!!!

David,

Think about Paul's teaching and in what context he used the word sting?

I can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!

F2F

 

[ProDeo]

Where have I said Jesus was a sinner?

Is Christ sinless then?

 

[ProDeo]

Are you concerning that you do not understand Romans 6?

This would be "the" Gospel chapter in the greater Gospel work written and you are saying you don't understand it?

F2F

I do understand Rom 6 but my gut feeling says you understand it differently.

 

[amigo de christo]

The most poisoned lies are those with some undeniable truth encapsulated within a lie, the specialty of the devil.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” --- tricky question but true ---
Gen 3:2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden,
Gen 3:3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” --- there you go Eve, God never said you would die if you touch the tree of knowledge. Apparently Adam did not communicate well with Eve what God had said to him, paving the way for disaster ---
Gen 3:4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. --- blatant lie ---
Gen 3:5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” --- true but blaming God withholding A&E to become like God, knowing good and evil. The perfect lie ©Satan ---

wanna see a huge example that satan by means of that which is of anti christ has been doing as of late .
HIMS been real busy lying to christendom and merging them all as one with the false religoins under a fat lie .
HE sure has poisoned this christendom big time . with a drink he calls the love punch .
Hims been busy and so has his men too .
convincing christendom.
Wanna a huge example that very many now fall for .
For the dark one sayeth and calleth to all the wayward children and says
GOD is love , true , GOD desires none to perish , true
but then uses this to encapusulate them with a lie that implies BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE and DESIRES none to perish
NONE ARE GONNA PERISH . HIMS A LIAR friend .
You see the correct way to use that scripture , that truth is LIKE THIS
GOD IS LOVE , GOD DOES DESIRE NONE TO PERISH , ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON that all WHO DO BELEIVE IN HIM
would not PERISH . satan is such a liar and he has so many within christendom decieved
big time and has convinced them to find common ground interfaith , the lie of anti christ ,
to beleive all are fine NO matter what path or religoin they follow and beleive
so long as they jus have a big ol fat love fest and do some good . MAN is he a liar . very deceptive that one is .

 

[face2face]

Is Christ sinless then?

The fact you need to ask the question further shows you do not understand Romans 6.

Yes he was sinless but you still need to deal with this

1. Jesus was under deaths dominion
2. Jesus died to sin once

F2F

 

[face2face]

I do understand Rom 6 but my gut feeling says you understand it differently.

No, I don't believe you do because you are unable to explain how God removed the Law of Sin and Death from His Son.

Do that and Romans 6 will become a living Word for you

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

David,

Think about Paul's teaching and in what context he used the word sting?

I can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink!

F2F

All have sinned(STING) and fallen short of the Glory of God - Jer 14:20 , Psalm 51:5 , Romans 3:23 and

 

[David in NJ]

David, David, David

Bronze is symbolic of the flesh! Mic. 4:13.

You have much to learn of the brazen serpent!

F2F

John 1:14 - "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us"

Thank You for agreeing with Truth

 

[face2face]

All have sinned(STING) and fallen short of the Glory of God - Jer 14:20 , Psalm 51:5 , Romans 3:23 and

The Sting of death realtes to what?

This is not hard David but you have a habbit of making it so!

F2F

 

[face2face]

John 1:14 - "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us"

Thank You for agreeing with Truth

Right, at last you are getting there!

What type of flesh?

Hybrid or was it your flesh and blood nature?

What do the Apostles say?

Use them and not your own false teachings

Remember

1. Death had dominion over Christ
2. Died to sin once!

F2F