The two witnessss

[Douggg]

You are a broken record displaying blindness. I have done enough for someone who will not hear.

The two witnesses are the topic of this thread.


On my chart, I place their 1260 days of prophesying and testifying in the first half of the seven years.

 

[Earburner]

You misunderstood, my post #11 is still there, its YOUR post that is quoted IN MY post # 11 is what has disappeared. Your post is gone, I just captured it before it disppeared.


You weren't only attempting that Earburner. If you were you were "only attempting" to do that you could have just posted without tagging my post to tailgator simply to pounce on the opportunity to tell me I am somehow wrong in my conclusion. Not only that but mockingly, that my false conclusion (which I never made) can be choked up to this "church-ianity" (as you call it here) which is as you defined as listening to "wisdom of men". But you come at me as if I was a stupid fool who couldnt perceive that your wisdom in this matter come from a much higher place then such "wisdom of men".

And you were not attempting to bring forward that John and Jesus were those only two people ever filled with the Holy Ghost. You were attempting to show that John and Jesus were the two witnesses in revelation simply because of this new discovery you had made. Something I could somehow not perceive because I might be bound by this churchianity (or "wisdom of men" thing).

So finally you have my attention and so I am curious how you make John and Jesus fit as the two witnesses in Revelation. Because in truth, THAT is really what you were trying to pass off on me ("this wisdom of men" follower). You have been dying to to give me what you believe I missed on this, and I asked you twice before, with no answer on this, so I would like to hear from you on this. Unless you have changed your mind and no longer believe Jesus and John are the two witnesses in Revelation, which is fine to change ones mind, I change my mind when someone can show me something more by the scriptures, there is nothing wrong with that.



I would actuallly prefer this Earburner

Ok, I agree. So then, let's both depart from antagonizing each others fleshy minds and move on in the Spirit of Christ, for all of "His words are Spirit".
As a result we should interpret them as such, through "the mind of Christ" that is within us.

Edit: since the topic of the two witnesses is generally interpreted literally, through the scholarly approach of denominational Bible colleges and seminaries, of the heirarchy of church-ianity, I allowed "the mind of Christ" within me to do what Paul recommends in
1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

There is no doubt in me, that the prophetic words in Zech. 4:11-14 are spiritual, and for that I find that whoever the "two witnesses" were or shall be, their manifestation will be from the realm of God's Holy Spirit.

 

[Verily]

Ok, I agree. So then, let's both depart from antagonizing each others fleshy minds and move on in the Spirit of Christ, for all of "His words are Spirit". As a result we should interpret them as such, through "the mind of Christ" that is within us.

I don't know what you are agreeing to, but I am willing to move on, forgive and forget. But just one question that still remains, you kept pressing upon me that Jesus and John are the two witnesses in Revelation whose bodies were refused burial and not suffered to be put in graves. If you still do can you explain how this is possible in the mind of Christ that is in you.

 

[Earburner]

I don't know what you are agreeing to, but I am willing to move on, forgive and forget. But just one question that still remains, you kept pressing upon me that Jesus and John are the two witnesses in Revelation whose bodies were refused burial and not suffered to be put in graves. If you still do can you explain how this is possible in the mind of Christ that is in you.

Please see my edit in post #102

 

[Earburner]

I don't know what you are agreeing to, but I am willing to move on, forgive and forget. But just one question that still remains, you kept pressing upon me that Jesus and John are the two witnesses in Revelation whose bodies were refused burial and not suffered to be put in graves. If you still do can you explain how this is possible in the mind of Christ that is in you.

Yes, I intend to do that. However, please keep in mind that it will be a spiritual interpretation.

Knowing that the book of Rev. is highly "signified" in the symbolism of God's thoughts, we are to heed Paul's recommendation of how we should "compare spiritual things with spiritual".

One particular clue of that is found in
Rev. 11:8
[8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Edit: also, another scripture that guides me into a spiritual interpretation of the 2Ws is Isa. 55:8-9.
[8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.[9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
> A good analogy of that would be if a human and a dog could freely communicate with each other.
Well, we all know that is NOT going to happen, unless the dog has a surgical transplant of a human brain (mind) inserted along side his own.

However, as ludicrous as that may sound, that is exactly what God has done "spiritually", to all of His Saints, who ARE born again of His Holy Spirit. We have been GIVEN "the mind of Christ", and therefore are become NEW creatures, a New creation.
I suggest that all "born again" Christians should read and thoroughly digest all of 1 Cor. ch. 2.

Remember: God's thoughts are not our thoughts.
John 6
[63] It is the spirit [the mind of Christ] that quickeneth;
the flesh [the mind of our flesh as well] profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Verily]

Yes, I intend to do that. However, please keep in mind that it will be a spiritual interpretation.

Knowing that the book of Rev. is highly "signified" in the symbolism of God's thoughts, we are to heed Paul's recommendation of how we should "compare spiritual things with spiritual".

One particular clue of that is found in
Rev. 11:8
[8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

That is not really a clue when WHERE our Lord was actually crucified is spiritually called something. It would not indicate that our Lord was either spiritually crucified or was spiritually buried etc. Paul who tells us the Spirit (we have received after Jesus death, burial and resurrection) teaches us to compare spiritual things with spiritual. But Paul did not spiritualize the gospel when he speaks of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. So to say Jesus is one of the two witnesses who were killed whose dead body was refused a burial or to be put in a grave would deny the basic gospel we are saved by. Something can be "spiritually called" another thing does not make Jesus death and burial as a foundational gospel truth is spiritual. I know you did not say this, I am trying to catch how you will spin this.

Not only that, the structure of the sentence does not allow for it, the two witnesses are killed

Rev 11:8 And THEIR DEAD BODIES shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, WHERE ALSO our Lord WAS crucified.

 

[Verily]

Ok, I agree. So then, let's both depart from antagonizing each others fleshy minds and move on in the Spirit of Christ, for all of "His words are Spirit".
As a result we should interpret them as such, through "the mind of Christ" that is within us.

Edit: since the topic of the two witnesses is generally interpreted literally, through the scholarly approach of denominational Bible colleges and seminaries, of the heirarchy of church-ianity, I allowed "the mind of Christ" within me to do what Paul recommends in
1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

There is no doubt in me, that the prophetic words in Zech. 4:11-14 are spiritual, and for that I find that whoever the "two witnesses" were or shall be, their manifestation will be from the realm of God's Holy Spirit.

I see your edit, I dont really care about how you are catching Zech or what they might signified as you might connect such things to Revelation in the ways everyone attempts to do so.

Its making the two witness Jesus and John whose bodies in revelation are not buried as the Lord was or put in a grave (as our Lord's was). Thats all I want to know since you wanted my ear to your this particular thing and getting there is taking forever, nothing chicken scratched up?

 

[Verily]

1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

And yes, there is nothing wrong with comparing spiritual things with spiritual, its encouraged

The example, of Sarah and Hagar are shown as two covenants (which things serve as an allegory)

Gal 4:22 For it is written,

that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Paul summing up those things

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants

Whereas Paul also said this,

1 Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Which would also not be received by everyone

1 Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Paul understood that Abraham's things could be used in an allegoric fashion seeing Abraham was a prophet (Gen 20:7) And God tells us how He spake by the prophets and what he used by them

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes,
by the ministry of the prophets.

Same with after the similitude of Melchisedec arises another Priest, its Jesus who steps into his order

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

 

[ScottA]

The two witnesses are the topic of this thread.


On my chart, I place their 1260 days of prophesying and testifying in the first half of the seven years.


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Yes, that's is obvious. But--again--you are in Error.

 

[Earburner]

I see your edit, I dont really care about how you are catching Zech or what they might signified as you might connect such things to Revelation in the ways everyone attempts to do so.

Its making the two witness Jesus and John whose bodies in revelation are not buried as the Lord was or put in a grave (as our Lord's was). Thats all I want to know since you wanted my ear to your this particular thing and getting there is taking forever, nothing chicken scratched up?

If you are going to get an attitude about it, then why should I bother!
I don't know you, nor do I know if you are living by the Holy Spirit's teaching, or by the teaching of the scholarly learned of church-ianity.
1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should NOT stand in the wisdom of men, but in the [anointing] power of God.

 

[Verily]

If you are going to get an attitude about it, then why should I bother!

Attitude? Try actually hearing yourself in your posts to me earlier. You were dying to show me Jesus and John were the two witnesses in Revelation and I have finally given the go ahead to be the "earburner" you are.

I don't know you, nor do I know if you are living by the Holy Spirit's teaching, or by the teaching of the scholarly learned of church-ianity.

Now I dont know you either and certainly I have my doubts that the Holy Spirit would be teaching you that Jesus and John are the two witnesses in Revelation who died and whose bodies were refused burial (unlike Jesus) and who suffered them not to be put in graves (unlike Jesus). You believe they are and were tagging my posts for me to listen to your much higher spiritual wisdom on this (as opposed to any sorts of scholarly, learned church-ianity/ "wisdom of men" stuff). So I have been waiting for the wisdom of God (or the mind of Christ) to manifest in your heavenly (but unscholarly) and unlearned presentation.

Since you were wanting me to listen, I have caved to your desire "here I am!"

I am just waiting on you.

1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should NOT stand in the wisdom of men, but in the [anointing] power of God.

You just learning that verse or are you pointing out that my waiting on you is something like churchianity (or my faith standing in your wisdom)? Because I can assure you its not. You wanted to share something with me, I was trying to blow you off a little and now you have my ears. BUT I can promise you this, my faith does not stand in your wisdom. So no worries about that.

 

[Earburner]

1 Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Very good scriptures, especially 1 Cor. 2:14.

There are many in the hierarchy of Christendom, who "HAVE NOT the Spirit of Christ", "having a form of godliness, but denying the [anointing] power thereof", who teach and preach "the doctrines of men", aka church-ianity. Rom. 8:8-9; 2 Tim. 3:4-5.
"From such, turn away".

 

[Earburner]

Attitude? Try actually hearing yourself in your posts to me earlier. You were dying to show me Jesus and John were the two witnesses in Revelation and I have finally given the go ahead to be the "earburner" you are.

Now I dont know you either and certainly I have my doubts that the Holy Spirit would be teaching you that Jesus and John are the two witnesses in Revelation who died and whose bodies were refused burial (unlike Jesus) and who suffered them not to be put in graves (unlike Jesus). You believe they are and were tagging my posts for me to listen to your much higher spiritual wisdom on this (as opposed to any sorts of scholarly, learned church-ianity/ "wisdom of men" stuff). So I have been waiting for the wisdom of God (or the mind of Christ) to manifest in your heavenly (but unscholarly) and unlearned presentation.

Since you were wanting me to listen, I have caved to your desire "here I am!"

I am just waiting on you.



You just learning that verse or are you pointing out that my waiting on you is something like churchianity (or my faith standing in your wisdom)? Because I can assure you its not. You wanted to share something with me, I was trying to blow you off a little and now you have my ears. BUT I can promise you this, my faith does not stand in your wisdom. So no worries about that.

Please calm your flesh down. I am not saying anything against you, or your belief system.

 

[Verily]

Very good scriptures, especially 1 Cor. 2:14.

There are many in the hierarchy of Christendom, who "HAVE NOT the Spirit of Christ", "having a form of godliness, but denying the [anointing] power thereof", who teach and preach "the doctrines of men", aka church-ianity. Rom. 8:8-9; 2 Tim. 3:4-5.
"From such, turn away".

Okay, so when are you going to demonstrate how Jesus and John are the two witnesses in the book of Revelation. Apparently you HAVE the Spirit and NOT a FORM OF godliness and have this anointing of God to teach me how Jesus and John are the two witnesses in Revelation.

 

[Verily]

Please calm your flesh down. I am not saying anything against you, or your belief system.

I am very calm I can assure you, I am just waiting on that demo.

 

[Earburner]

I am very calm I can assure you, I am just waiting on that demo.

I started it with an overview in posts #71, 72 and 73. But since then our flesh has been in the way.
Does anything that I wrote there, help you to know of who the two "golden pipes" are, and what the "golden oil" is, that is shown in Zech. 4:12?

 

[Verily]

I started it with an overview in posts #71, 72 and 73. But since then our flesh has been in the way.
Does anything that I wrote there, help you to know of who the "golden pipes" are, and what the "golden oil" is, that is shown in Zech. 4:12?

Not interested in hearing anything in Zech 4:12 but Jesus and John being the two witnesses

 

[Earburner]

Okay, so when are you going to demonstrate how Jesus and John are the two witnesses in the book of Revelation. Apparently you HAVE the Spirit and NOT a FORM OF godliness and have this anointing of God to teach me how Jesus and John are the two witnesses in Revelation.

Don't get sarcastic. Your fleshly ways are showing again.

 

[Earburner]

Not interested in hearing anything in Zech 4:12 but Jesus and John being the two witnesses

Are you saying that the two witnesses will NOT be anointed??

 

[Verily]

Don't get sarcastic. Your fleshly ways are showing again.

I was just repeating what you yourself stated and I just wrapped it around "back at you" on those things.