The Two Witnesses Will Appear in the Next New Moon

[Ronald Nolette]

We are not in authority over the earth to carry out the death penalty of the Torah, that is why Yeshua told us "do not condemn", meaning do not carry out the condemnation of death of the Torah. And neither are we worthy to put others to death because we ourselves are also sinners and also deserve death. Once Yeshua returns, he is the one that will carry out the death penalty of the Torah, by judging all humanity, and condemning each one to die by being thrown over lava. The death penalty of the Torah has not been abolished, it has simply been postponed to a future time to give all humanity a chance now to repent on their own. Once Yeshua returns, he himself will punish all humanity with death, and will rule the world with a rod of iron, according the Torah of Moses.

The command to not wear shaatnez is still binding, because wool and linen are reserved only for the priests. We cannot wear wool and linen mixed together. It is a set-apart mixture.

There is no temple to bring offerings to.

Before Moses, "everything that moves" was permitted to be eaten. And so it is now also under the new covenant of Yeshua.

Although the Torah of Moses is still binding, the Torah has changed, after the first coming of Yeshua. But it has not been discarded.

So you are like the rest of wanna-be's, you pick and choose the commands of the Mosaic Law you will obey. Most but not all 613.

But once again what has that do with you making false prophecy about when the two witnesses would appear?

 

[gaviria.christian]

So you are like the rest of wanna-be's, you pick and choose the commands of the Mosaic Law you will obey. Most but not all 613.

But once again what has that do with you making false prophecy about when the two witnesses would appear?

No one is picking and choosing. This is what the apostles instructed us to do. They told us not to concern ourselves with foods nor circumcision nor feasts nor new moons in the Torah. If it were necessary to do, I would be doing it. These matters are easy to do, whereas getting rid of money is far more difficult to do. We are figuratively as the second generation of the sons of Israel in the desert, who were not circumcised nor kept the feasts of the Torah, before they entered the promised land. And then they kept circumcision and feasts of the Torah once they entered the promised land. And so in likewise manner we will keep the feasts of the Torah once we inherit the earth at the return of Yeshua. But you on the other hand are not picking and choosing, you simply have discarded the entire Torah altogether. Torahlessness. You refuse to understand. You berate those who obey the commands of God in the Torah. It is despicable. You are on a path of destruction for this.

 

[Jay Ross]

You can reference my timeline for the answer you seek, 7,000 Year Timeline of the Earth - Wisdom of God

Your spreadsheet does not answer the question as it makes no reference to the events in the Book of Judges.

As such you are avoiding answering the question.

That is so sad after your claim of being a studious student of the scriptures. It seems that you are not.

 

[Jay Ross]

You can reference my chronology here, 7,000 Year Timeline of the Earth - Wisdom of God

Becke has the correct year, 3974 BC for Adam.

In summary, the year of the anointing of Yeshua was the year 4,000 precisely. If you know when he was anointed, then you know when he returns, because his return is precisely 2,000 years from his anointing. They are both Yovel years.

Your spreadsheet does not provide any proof that your spreadsheet is right. Or, for that matter, your theories are also right.

You are not different than Ellen J White and we know that she used the wrong signposts to establish her timelines.

 

[gaviria.christian]

Your spreadsheet does not answer the question as it makes no reference to the events in the Book of Judges.

As such you are avoiding answering the question.

That is so sad after your claim of being a studious student of the scriptures. It seems that you are not.

Tell me something, in response to your comment about being a "studious student of scripture", was it you or was it I that took the time to develop the entire Biblical timeline from Adam until now? I have shared the timeline with you freely. Read it. Analyze it. Or not. The 480 years from the exodus to the first temple is clearly there also. Within that timeframe was the time of the judges. Perhaps it is you who is not such a studious student of scripture.

 

[gaviria.christian]

Your spreadsheet does not provide any proof that your spreadsheet is right. Or, for that matter, your theories are also right.

You are not different than Ellen J White and we know that she used the wrong signposts to establish her timelines.

Why would it not? Each block of time is supported by a scripture. First block of time, Genesis 5:5, Adam lived 930 years, therefore 1 YB to 931 YB. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Jay Ross]

Tell me something, in response to your comment about being a "studious student of scripture", was it you or was it I that took the time to develop the entire Biblical timeline from Adam until now? I have shared the timeline with you freely. Read it. Analyze it. Or not. The 480 years from the exodus to the first temple is clearly there also. Within that timeframe was the time of the judges. Perhaps it is you who is not such a studious student of scripture.

I have generated my own spreadsheet to establish the relativity of the events told to us in the Scriptures. The Bible is written like a novel, where the story events are given without establishing their relativity to other events.

How old was Jacob when he went up to Haran to escape the threats of Esau to kill him? We know that he was 40 plus years old.

How many years did Jacob spend working for Laben before he left to return to see his father Isaac? From the scriptures we know that he spent forty years working for Laban.

About how old was Joseph when Jacob sent his sons down to Egypt to get food because of the great famine in the Land at that time? From my understanding I believe that Joseph was around 55 years old when his brothers saw him for the first time in Egypt. From the time that Joseph was sold to the Midinettes on their way down to Egypt until the brothers went down to Egypt, Judah had two families, the first with Bath Shau who gave Jacob three sons, the second family was given to him by Tamar, after his first two sons were killed by God because they displeased Him, who had twins by Jacob, and then Perez, one of the twins, had a son called Hezron, who travelled down to Egypt as a baby with Jacob. But, to establish this we need to dig a little deeper into the story of Judah's families and descendants.

On the other hand, your timeline was generated for a very different purpose and does not focus on the story told in the scriptures as it unfolded. Your spreadsheet was written to determine when the judgement and the end of the world as we know it would occur based on your assumptions of how long an age is.

Oh well, you can lead a horse or donkey to water but you cannot force the horse or donkey to drink from the water.

 

[gaviria.christian]

I have generated my own spreadsheet to establish the relativity of the events told to us in the Scriptures. The Bible is written like a novel, where the story events are given without establishing their relativity to other events.

How old was Jacob when he went up to Haran to escape the threats of Esau to kill him? We know that he was 40 plus years old.

How many years did Jacob spend working for Laben before he left to return to see his father Isaac? From the scriptures we know that he spent forty years working for Laban.

About how old was Joseph when Jacob sent his sons down to Egypt to get food because of the great famine in the Land at that time? From my understanding I believe that Joseph was around 55 years old when his brothers saw him for the first time in Egypt. From the time that Joseph was sold to the Midinettes on their way down to Egypt until the brothers went down to Egypt, Judah had two families, the first with Bath Shau who gave Jacob three sons, the second family was given to him by Tamar, after his first two sons were killed by God because they displeased Him, who had twins by Jacob, and then Perez, one of the twins, had a son called Hezron, who travelled down to Egypt as a baby with Jacob. But, to establish this we need to dig a little deeper into the story of Judah's families and descendants.

On the other hand, your timeline was generated for a very different purpose and does not focus on the story told in the scriptures as it unfolded. Your spreadsheet was written to determine when the judgement and the end of the world as we know it would occur based on your assumptions of how long an age is.

Oh well, you can lead a horse or donkey to water but you cannot force the horse or donkey to drink from the water.

Why do you need to know how old Jacob was when he escaped from Esau? The 7,000 year timeline can be built without that piece of information. In building the 7,000 year timeline, you only need to connect one higher level block of time to another higher level block of time. Within those higher level blocks of time are smaller details that are not necessary to use in the grand scheme of the 7,000 year timeline. For example, we know how long Adam lived and when Set was born in relation to the age of Adam, and also how long Set lived. So there we have two higher level blocks of time and we know precisely how much time passed from the creation of Adam to the death of Set, which was 1,043 years. We don't particularly need to know when Cain or Abel lived, or when Abel was killed, to construct the 7,000 year timeline of God.

 

[Jay Ross]

Why would it not? Each block of time is supported by a scripture. First block of time, Genesis 5:5, Adam lived 930 years, therefore 1 YB to 931 YB. Do you agree or disagree?

I agree with your statement that Adam lived for 930 years, but your timeline is in error starting it with year 1. If on the other hand you had labelled the transition from one year to the next year as number theory does, then the start of your timeline would be the year 0. Now in Jewish tradition, my understanding is that if a person was born in the summer months of the year and died also in later summer month, then the length of his recorded years would be one years more than what the timeline would suggest. But because we are not told the month that that person was born we cannot determine whether or not the age of Adam was exactly 930 years or whether he died in the 930 year of his life.

The mathematical number theory you are using is flawed.

 

[gaviria.christian]

I agree with your statement that Adam lived for 930 years, but your timeline is in error starting it with year 1. If on the other hand you had labelled the transition from one year to the next year as number theory does, then the start of your timeline would be the year 0. Now in Jewish tradition, my understanding is that if a person was born in the summer months of the year and died also in later summer month, then the length of his recorded years would be one years more than what the timeline would suggest.

Your mathematical number theory is flawed.

There is no year 0 in the standard Roman calendars BC to AD, nor is there a day 0 in the week. After 1 BC it is 1 AD. And year 1 is the first year. And day 1 is the first day. That's how calendars work. 1 YB is the first year of creation. If you don't like it, you are welcome to create your own calendric system, and call it "0 JR", but it will not coincide with calendric standards. And is that really your one argument to completely toss away my entire timeline? Because it starts with 1 YB and not 0 YB? That's very comical.

 

[gaviria.christian]

I agree with your statement that Adam lived for 930 years, but your timeline is in error starting it with year 1. If on the other hand you had labelled the transition from one year to the next year as number theory does, then the start of your timeline would be the year 0. Now in Jewish tradition, my understanding is that if a person was born in the summer months of the year and died also in later summer month, then the length of his recorded years would be one years more than what the timeline would suggest. But because we are not told the month that that person was born we cannot determine whether or not the age of Adam was exactly 930 years or whether he died in the 930 year of his life.

The mathematical number theory you are using is flawed.

Aside from that, you agree with the 930 block of time. Great. So you agree with the block of time from 1 YB to 931 YB. Now let us take it further. Set was born when Adam was 130 years old. Genesis 5:3. Therefore it was 131 YB. And Set lived 912 years. Genesis 5:8. Therefore Set lived until 1043 YB. This is block of time number two. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Jay Ross]

There is no year 0 in the standard Roman calendars BC to AD, nor is there a day 0 in the week. After 1 BC it is 1 AD. And year 1 is the first year. And day 1 is the first day. That's how calendars work. 1 YB is the first year of creation. If you don't like it, you are welcome to create your own calendric system, and call it "0 JR", but it will not coincide with calendric standards. And is that really your one argument to completely toss away my entire timeline? Because it starts with 1 YB and not 0 YB? That's very comical.

Whatever. A clock has a "0" embedded in it and a digital clock certainly displays the first hour as 00:xx, but does not display the 12:xx hour or the 24:xx hours on its displays when in either the 12 hour display mode or the 24 hour display mode.

A timeline is no different. It has a zero start point. The length of a footrace has a zero starting point.

I believe you have exhausted the members on this forum with your humdrum prophetic utterances with respect to when they will occur.

I believe that this conversation can go no further as you are not willing to learn which is an essential component of any conversation. I know that I am willing to learn and to be corrected when I am wrong in my understanding. It seems to me that you are not willing to be corrected in your understanding of God's Prophetic utterances.

So, you have a good rest of your life. I am withdrawing from it for the moment. I have no need at present for your nonsense and misinformation. What you have posted has proven wrong.

Shalom

 

[gaviria.christian]

Whatever. A clock has a "0" embedded in it and a digital clock certainly displays the first hour as 00:xx, but does not display the 12:xx hour or the 24:xx hours on its displays when in either the 12 hour display mode or the 24 hour display mode.

A timeline is no different. It has a zero start point. The length of a footrace has a zero starting point.

I believe you have exhausted the members on this forum with your humdrum prophetic utterances with respect to when they will occur.

I believe that this conversation can go no further as you are not willing to learn which is an essential component of any conversation. I know that I am willing to learn and to be corrected when I am wrong in my understanding. It seems to me that you are not willing to be corrected in your understanding of God's Prophetic utterances.

So, you have a good rest of your life. I am withdrawing from it for the moment. I have no need at present for your nonsense and misinformation. What you have posted has proven wrong.

Shalom

Even in clocks there is no hour 0. There is 12 o'clock. Then there is 1 o'clock. There is no 0 o'clock. So in likewise manner there is no year 0. And there is no day 0 in the week. The week starts with day 1. 1 YB is the correct label to start time in the 7,000 year timeline of God. But even so, what does it matter? The blocks of time supported by scripture are what actually matter. If at the end of the timeline you wanted to subtract 1 year to make it start at 0 YB you can. You have completely missed the point of the timeline, the blocks of time, supported by scripture. You are a stubborn and foolish man. The grays I see in your profile picture are wasted on your face.

 

[Naomanos]

Even in clocks there is no hour 0. There is 12 o'clock.

That is where you are wrong.

Ever hear of 24-hour time? 0:00 hour.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Why are you all entertaining that mocker?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

No one is picking and choosing. This is what the apostles instructed us to do. They told us not to concern ourselves with foods nor circumcision nor feasts nor new moons in the Torah. If it were necessary to do, I would be doing it. These matters are easy to do, whereas getting rid of money is far more difficult to do. We are figuratively as the second generation of the sons of Israel in the desert, who were not circumcised nor kept the feasts of the Torah, before they entered the promised land. And then they kept circumcision and feasts of the Torah once they entered the promised land. And so in likewise manner we will keep the feasts of the Torah once we inherit the earth at the return of Yeshua. But you on the other hand are not picking and choosing, you simply have discarded the entire Torah altogether. Torahlessness. You refuse to understand. You berate those who obey the commands of God in the Torah. It is despicable. You are on a path of destruction for this.

You are stuck in religious legalism.
We are not under the Law, we are under Grace.
We are forgiven!
Christ gave us TWO COMMANDMENTS, that ALL the Law fall under. It is the Law of Love, Love God with all your strength, heart and soul and love your neighbor. And with those, we still fail. But we don't wear that yoke of bondage as if death is hanging over our heads. Christ took away that penalty of death. The Israelites could not bear that yoke of bondage nor can we. We wear the yoke of Christ- He took all our sins upon Himself. You don't seem to get that. ???
Your condemnation is legalism, as if you were never washed with His blood. You are in essence telling Christians (who have been forgiven), that we are still under the curse of the Law, "Your wages of sin will be death for you!" (Read Romans 8:1)
Those who live by that system of the Law will be judged by it.
You lack understanding of the basics! You don't seem to get what being born again means? We have been washed of our sins ( past, present and future), saved, sealed with the Holy Spirit. We are "in Christ", spiritually transformed, justified by faith, which is a gift.

I think you spent too much time with history, age of the earth, prophetic dates (that have been proven wrong), like a mad scientist who can't see the solution right in front of him and who has missed the most fundamental, life giving, essence of the Gospel.
I think when the two witnesses come, maybe you should abandon your fortress and safety net, buy a ticket to Jerusalem and a chair and sit down and listen to them, maybe then you'll learn something.

 

[gaviria.christian]

You are stuck in religious legalism.
We are not under the Law, we are under Grace.
We are forgiven!
Christ gave us TWO COMMANDMENTS, that ALL the Law fall under. It is the Law of Love, Love God with all your strength, heart and soul and love your neighbor. And with those, we still fail. But we don't wear that yoke of bondage as if death is hanging over our heads. Christ took away that penalty of death. The Israelites could not bear that yoke of bondage nor can we. We wear the yoke of Christ- He took all our sins upon Himself. You don't seem to get that. ???
Your condemnation is legalism, as if you were never washed with His blood. You are in essence telling Christians (who have been forgiven), that we are still under the curse of the Law, "Your wages of sin will be death for you!" (Read Romans 8:1)
Those who live by that system of the Law will be judged by it.
You lack understanding of the basics! You don't seem to get what being born again means? We have been washed of our sins ( past, present and future), saved, sealed with the Holy Spirit. We are "in Christ", spiritually transformed, justified by faith, which is a gift.

I think you spent too much time with history, age of the earth, prophetic dates (that have been proven wrong), like a mad scientist who can't see the solution right in front of him and who has missed the most fundamental, life giving, essence of the Gospel.
I think when the two witnesses come, maybe you should abandon your fortress and safety net, buy a ticket to Jerusalem and a chair and sit down and listen to them, maybe then you'll learn something.

The commands to "love God" and "love your neighbor" are already commands in the Torah, that came through Moses. They are not new commands given by Yeshua, nor were all the other commands of the Torah abolished and only these two kept. A homosexual loves his partner, has he therefore fulfilled the command to love his neighbor? No. Because the Torah also commands, "a man shall not have sex with another man". An adulterer loves his mistress, has he therefore fulfilled the command to love his neighbor? No. Because the Torah also commands, "you shall not commit adultery". Indeed the Torah can be summarized with love, but all the commands of the Torah teach us how to love. Do not steal. Do not murder. Do not commit adultery. A man shall have sex with another man. A man shall not dress as a woman. You shall bless God when you eat and are satisfied. All these commands teach us how to love God, and how to love our neighbor, and even how to love our own bodies made in the image of God. Even the nations have laws to govern how each citizen must act. The constitution of the USA doesn't just say, "love each other" and that's it. It has laws that define how we must act towards each other. In likewise manner it is with God. He has a law, with judgments and ordinances and commandments and testimonies, which we must keep, which all in all, teach us how to love.

 

[gaviria.christian]

That is where you are wrong.

Ever hear of 24-hour time? 0:00 hour.

Certainly there are exception to the rule. But what does it matter? Whether you use a 12 hour clock or 24 hour clock, a specific time in any clock is the same time. If you want to start at year 0, then start at year 0. Who cares. What matters are the blocks of time, supported by scripture. You people have missed the point. Stupid.

 

[Naomanos]

Certainly there are exception to the rule. But what does it matter? Whether you use a 12 hour clock or 24 hour clock, a specific time in any clock is the same time. If you want to start at year 0, then start at year 0. Who cares. What matters are the blocks of time, supported by scripture. You people have missed the point. Stupid.

What's stupid is that when your caught teaching a false teaching, you double down and even triple down and then call us stupid and we've missed the point.

You need to look in the mirror and check your own reflection before calling us stupid.

 

[gaviria.christian]

What's stupid is that when your caught teaching a false teaching, you double down and even triple down and then call us stupid and we've missed the point.

You need to look in the mirror and check your own reflection before calling us stupid.

What have I taught that is false?

1. I have taught obedience to the commands of God in the Torah. Even the Torah itself tells us to test a teacher by whether he teaches obedience to the commands of the Torah or not.
2. I have taught regarding the 7,000 year plan of God, and the coming of the Mashiach in the year 6,000. This is not a new teaching from me, and is believed by all judaism and also ancient sources.
3. I have taught that fiat currency is evil, and that gold and silver are the true money of God. Even the founding fathers of the very USA were completely against paper money. Again, not a new teaching from me.

You have rejected these teachings because you yourself believe lies that are contrary to the truth. And instead, here are the lies that you and most so called believers believe:

1. You people believe we do not have to obey the commands of God in the Torah, so you people have discarded the Torah entirely. This is a false teaching. This is lawlessness.
2. You people believe the earth is billions of years old and that there is no 7,000 year plan of God with the last 1,000 years set apart. This is also a false teaching. The earth is not billions of years old, it is less than 6,000 years old. And we are now approaching the year 6,000.
3. You people believe using fiat currency is good. This is also a false teaching.

So quite the contrary, it is you people who are false believers and false teachers. You oppose the truth. And you hate those who speak the truth. That is why you berate me and disrespect me and are hostile against me. You are like the sons of Israel that put the prophets and men of God to death because they hated them for speaking the truth to them.