THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Ritajanice]

A.) Did i EVER, at aanytime on any post, say to you "thou shall not post scripture
and
B.) i did say to you, when you post scripture = and i said "GREAT" and "i AGREE 100% TRUTH"


GREAT - so is everyone who believes the Word of God who was God in the Beginning = all the Way back to Genesis

What on earth are you talking about now, your posts to me are so confusing...

Your words do not resonate with my spirit..

I didn’t go back to Genesis to be Born Again @David in NJ ...I recieved a Living spirit birth = by supernatural divine heart revelation...over 33 yrs ago..

 

[APAK]

We live in perilous times where the Prophecy of the Holy Spirit is fulfilled:
"They will not endure sound doctrine............but heap to themselves teachers having itching ears"

You know you might have wax build-up in your ears that causes them to itch a lot. Might hear some truth for a change.

 

[David in NJ]

You know you might have wax build-up in your ears that causes them to itch a lot. Might hear some truth for a change.

Good Morning and thank you for the humor.

Literal wax in a physical ear is easily remedied.

Being spiritually "DULL" in hearing will leave you guessing and confused.


Go to this people and say:
“Hearing you will hear, and shall not understand;
And seeing you will see, and not perceive;
For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.” ’

 

[David in NJ]

What on earth are you talking about now, your posts to me are so confusing...

Your words do not resonate with my spirit..

I didn’t go back to Genesis to be Born Again @David in NJ ...I recieved a Living spirit birth = by supernatural divine heart revelation...over 33 yrs ago..

God says we all came out of Genesis

 

[Grailhunter]

Irenaeus (115-190). As a boy he listened to Polycarp, the disciple of John. He became Bishop of Lyons.

“The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: . . . one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,’ and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all . . . ‘” (Against Heresies X.l)

Tertullian (160-215). African apologist and theologian. He wrote much in defense of Christianity.

“We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation . . . [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” (Adv. Prax. 23; PL 2.156-7).
Origen (185-254). Alexandrian theologian. Defended Christianity and wrote much about Christianity.

“If anyone would say that the Word of God or the Wisdom of God had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten Father, since he denies that he was always Father, and that he has always begotten the Word, and that he always had wisdom in all previous times or ages or whatever can be imagined in priority . . . There can be no more ancient title of almighty God than that of Father, and it is through the Son that he is Father” (De Princ. 1.2.; PG 11.132).

“For if [the Holy Spirit were not eternally as He is, and had received knowledge at some time and then became the Holy Spirit] this were the case, the Holy Spirit would never be reckoned in the unity of the Trinity, i.e., along with the unchangeable Father and His Son, unless He had always been the Holy Spirit.” (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 4, p. 253, de Principiis, 1.111.4)

“Moreover, nothing in the Trinity can be called greater or less, since the fountain of divinity alone contains all things by His word and reason, and by the Spirit of His mouth sanctifies all things which are worthy of sanctification . . . ” (Roberts and Donaldson, Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p. 255, de Principii., I. iii. 7).

Conclusion​

If, as the anti-Trinitarians maintain, the Trinity is not a biblical doctrine and was never taught until the council of Nicea in 325, then why do these quotes exist? The answer is simple: the Trinity is a biblical doctrine, and it was taught before the council of Nicea in 325 A.D.

Part of the reason that the Trinity doctrine was not “officially” taught until the time of the Council of Nicea is that Christianity was illegal until shortly before the council. It wasn’t really possible for official Christian groups to meet and discuss doctrine. For the most part, they were fearful of making public pronouncements concerning their faith.

Additionally, if a group had attacked the person of Adam, the early church would have responded with an official doctrine of who Adam was. As it was, the person of Christ was attacked. When the Church defended the deity of Christ, the doctrine of the Trinity was further defined.

The early church believed in the Trinity as is evidenced by the quotes above, and it wasn’t necessary to really make them official. It wasn’t until errors started to creep in that councils began to meet to discuss the Trinity as well as other doctrines that came under fire. Early Trinitarian Quotes

Good quotes.
Most that sturdy Christianity know that the Term Trinity was coined by a few a century after the biblical period. But no scholar sees any of them coming up with the same formula as the 4th century Ecumenical counsels.

 

[Ritajanice]

God says we all came out of Genesis

We’ve all came from Adam and Eve..we came from dust.

My spirit became Born Again by the Living Spirit Of God..I wasn’t Born Again by Genesis @David in NJ

Born Again of imperishable / incorruptible seed..aLiving seed..

 

[David in NJ]

We’ve all came from Adam and Eve..we came from dust.

AWESOME and 100% TRUTH

and now that we have been Born-Again by the Spirit of God we shall NEVER die!!!
only our physical flesh bodies die and go back to dust from where they came

 

[Ritajanice]

AWESOME and 100% TRUTH

and now that we have been Born-Again by the Spirit of God we shall NEVER die!!!
only our physical flesh bodies die and go back to dust from where they came

100% Amen!

Our glorified bodies will be sown incorruptible ..does that make sense @David in NJ

1 Corinthians 15:53-55

King James Version

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53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

 

[Marvelloustime]

@amigo de christo @David in NJ @Ritajanice
BOOM! BINGO! BULLSEYE!

 

[Wrangler]

THE COMMAND TO THE DISCIPLES WAS TO GO OUT INTO ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OR THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

Yup. Do you notice how there is no mention of the nature of God or how believing this trinity idea is a requirement for salvation? Many verses mention different people and things. Doesn't make them God.

I've asked a question many times in this thread that trinitarians avoid. Why is believing the trinity important from Scripture?

 

[amigo de christo]

Many religious preachers out there also..who are deceivers, they won’t deceive this child of God.

They preach from the pulpit.,their own pulpit.

you sure about that ritajanice . You seem to sure be a loving what a certain man WHO IS TEACHING RELIGOIN
WHO IS teaching EGO , from his own pulpit .
ME , i say ITS BIBLE TIME SISTAH . lets love and embrace them beautiful words , WHO I KNOW GOD INSPIRED ,
and learn them well for ourselves .

 

[Ritajanice]

I've asked a question many times in this thread that trinitarians avoid. Why is believing the trinity important from Scripture?

What a great question..I hope trinitarians give us the answer.

 

[amigo de christo]

What a great question..I hope trinitarians give us the answer.

interfaith is much closer than ya realize rita . remember i have watched folks
You seem to be a gathering with the wrong ones sister .
Judge not correct not is now also becoming judge not correct not even the false religoins , dont dare
remind them THEY are in darkness and NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
You better well watch those steps sister . for they are many and even amongst us right now .
and many sure seems to be headed right into that same direction .

 

[Ritajanice]

you sure about that ritajanice . You seem to sure be a loving what a certain man WHO IS TEACHING RELIGOIN
WHO IS teaching EGO , from his own pulpit .
ME , i say ITS BIBLE TIME SISTAH . lets love and embrace them beautiful words , WHO I KNOW GOD INSPIRED ,
and learn them well for ourselves .

That’s your opinion...I can hear his Living testimony ..he’s on a much higher level than you or I, imho.

God says to seek him out with your heart, for there you will find him.

I seek God out most of the day.,and yes I find him...Praise His Living Holy Almighty Name.

Me no worship a Bible...when God speaks to me, I then go to his word for confirmation.

I LOVE GOD!!!!!!..let’s all seek him out with our heart .

 

[David in NJ]

What a great question..I hope trinitarians give us the answer.

Believing in the word 'trinity' is not important

Believing every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God is Eternal LIFE.

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only True God AND Jesus Christ whom You have sent" - John chapter 17

No eternal life in a 'jehovah'

Eternal Life is only in the FATHER AND SON AND HOLY SPIRIT

 

[Ritajanice]

You seem to be a gathering with the wrong ones sister

In your opinion..my friend...I am blessed with the gift of discernment.. the Spirit helps me discern a lie ...

The Bible mentions the gift of discerning spirits in 1 Corinthians 12:10, and says that it is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Bible also says that believers should test spirits to determine if they are from God, and not to believe every spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

What a great question..I hope trinitarians give us the answer.

So committed to their IDOL of invoking "support" - Jesus said I am (everyone says I am); Jesus raised people from the dead (Other prophets did also); Jesus forgave sins (the Apostles also forgave sins); there is no name for that attribute of God, which is his spirit and it is holy; Jesus has a God, the true God, which we relate to as Father, who he taught us to pray to (not the trinity) - that they overlook not only the complete absence of the trinity but allege extreme eisegesis will compensate.

Frothing at the mouth in exhaustion to "support" what is not there, they also overlook the fact that nowhere in Scripture does it say that it is important to believe in the trinity. Let's make a comparison to the freezing point of water. Not only is this not in Scripture, nowhere in Scripture does it say that believing a certain temperature is the freezing point of water is important. A rational person would conclude that it cannot be important to salvation. Yet, these IDOLATORS talk as if it is the central message of Scripture. Truly bizarre.

 

[Wrangler]

interfaith is much closer than ya realize rita

I'm going to make a donation to St. Jude every time you invoke 'interfaith.' If I did this from the beginning of your use of the term, they'd have $10,000's.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm going to make a donation to St. Jude every time you invoke 'interfaith.' If I did this from the beginning of your use of the term, they'd have $10,000's.

THEY GONNA BE RICH baby . cause i plan to expose satans interfaith OFTEN and POINT ONLY TO THE DIRE NECESSITY
to BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
anyone else wanna match wranglers donations .

 

[David in NJ]

So committed to their IDOL of invoking "support" - Jesus said I am (everyone says I am); Jesus raised people from the dead (Other prophets did also); Jesus forgave sins (the Apostles also forgave sins); there is no name for that attribute of God, which is his spirit and it is holy; Jesus has a God, the true God, which we relate to as Father, who he taught us to pray to (not the trinity) - that they overlook not only the complete absence of the trinity but allege extreme eisegesis will compensate.

Frothing at the mouth in exhaustion to "support" what is not there, they also overlook the fact that nowhere in Scripture does it say that it is important to believe in the trinity. Let's make a comparison to the freezing point of water. Not only is this not in Scripture, nowhere in Scripture does it say that believing a certain temperature is the freezing point of water is important. A rational person would conclude that it cannot be important to salvation. Yet, these IDOLATORS talk as if it is the central message of Scripture. Truly bizarre.

jw's are so committed to their IDOL of invoking "a god"

NWT John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

@Wrangler - How do you explain direct willful DISOBEDIENCE to God as the way of truth???

And God spoke all these words, saying:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
“You shall have no other gods before Me.