THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[David in NJ]

I do not reject scripture..

I reject your interpretation of scripture...

i do not give interpretations of scripture = i posted the scripture that SPEAKS for ITSELF

Do you believe every word words that comes out of the Mouth of God???

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world.
He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

 

[Ritajanice]

i do not give interpretations of scripture = i posted to scripture that SPEAKS for ITSELF

Do you believe every word words that comes out of the Mouth of God???

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world.
He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

You make scripture say what you want it to say..my opinion of your posts.

Matthew 7:15-20

King James Version

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15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 

[David in NJ]

this last answer you gave was a real good reminder .
FOR MANY who loveth a lie will do just that .
THEY will post scrip , but even the scrips they post will be used against OTHER SCRIPTURE .
MANY POST a scripture but the WHY they post is often not always a good reason .
FOR many post scrips TO JUSTIFY THEMSELVES and their own teachings men taught them
and when others bring scrips to show them their error they disregaurd those scrips .
MANY have learned and learned well but NOT WELL .
in other words they learned long and hard and very very well the TWISTED THINGS OF MEN and not the TRUTH AT ALL .
THEY have learned long but have learned WRONG .
SCRIP DO NOT CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE . but many sure use it to do just that .

We live in perilous times where the Prophecy of the Holy Spirit is fulfilled:
"They will not endure sound doctrine............but heap to themselves teachers having itching ears"

 

[David in NJ]

You make scripture say what you want it to say..my opinion of your posts.

Matthew 7:15-20​

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15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world.
He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I've don that too. I'll go back ...



You claim you answered this but you wrote a non-responsive reply. The question below is getting past the debate that you said was futile and no longer wanted to engage in. Odd for you to then retort that you have a whopper to confound me. This is just another example of intellectual dishonesty.

1. You say you don't care about the trinity. Yet, you make post after post in a thread on that topic.
2. You say debating is futile. Yet, you keep making assertions that there is ANYTHING in Scripture that is like the trinity verse I posted many times.

I gave you scriptures in post #2,728:
In Matt.3:16-17 Father, Son and Holy Spirit were present
1 Pet. 1:2. F, S, HS
Eph. 2:18. F, S, HS
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
Then Matt. 28:19 is a scripture AND command that you ignor.

THE COMMAND TO THE DISCIPLES WAS TO GO OUT INTO ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OR THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT!

πορευθέντες poreuthentes	Having gone	V-APP-NMP
3767 [e]	οὖν oun	therefore,	Conj
3100 [e]	μαθητεύσατε mathēteusate	disciple	V-AMA-2P
3956 [e]	πάντα panta	all	Adj-ANP
3588 [e]	τὰ ta	the	Art-ANP
1484 [e]	ἔθνη, ethnē	nations,	N-ANP
907 [e]	βαπτίζοντες baptizontes	baptizing	V-PPA-NMP
846 [e]	αὐτοὺς autous	them	PPro-AM3P
1519 [e]	εἰς eis	in	Prep
3588 [e]	τὸ to	the	Art-ANS
3686 [e]	ὄνομα onoma	name	N-ANS
3588 [e]	τοῦ tou	of the	Art-GMS
3962 [e]	Πατρὸς Patros	Father,	N-GMS
2532 [e]	καὶ kai	and	Conj
3588 [e]	τοῦ tou	of the	Art-GMS
5207 [e]	Υἱοῦ Huiou	Son,	N-GMS
2532 [e]	καὶ kai	and	Conj
3588 [e]	τοῦ tou	of the	Art-GNS
40 [e]	Ἁγίου Hagiou	Holy	Adj-GNS
4151 [e]	Πνεύματος, Pneumatos	Spirit,

THE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM ... you seem to ignore (being immersed into Him) ... it's a commandment!
Not recognizing Him as a person borders on blaspheming the Holy Spirit - not sure about that. Did you invite Him into your life, do you commune with Him? You just think the Holy is the Father, yet Jesus makes the distinction in many verses describing the Holy Spirit and then separately speaks of His Father.
What words were used in your Unitarian Church when you were baptized? Were hands laid on you by a Pastor and/or Elders and as you were dunked in water, did they uttered the words: Be baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit? No likely not. I have been to a Jehovah Witness water baptism and they utter no words at all as if a silent implication is somehow certified as they dunk the person under.

Listen, I said way back that debating Non-Trinitarians was futile and so wanted to end the debate - but you did not and kept on. So for the sake of other Trinis reading, might as well do a thorough look see into it. I don't mind, I'm retired.

 

[Ritajanice]

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world.
He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Many religious preachers out there also..who are deceivers, they won’t deceive this child of God.

They preach from the pulpit.,their own pulpit.

unto who and unto WHOM men graviate to sit under and to heed
IS KEY .
for a lamb gatheres not and supports not those who DENY THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and act as though one can pick up their own cross without having to BELEIVE .
And it will always be seen that they will not cling to both .
FOR IF A MAN cometh and reminds non stop about the DIRE NEED TO FIRST beleive
on CHRIST
and the other who implies there is no need too . NO one can sit at both tables . THEY WILL TURN ON ONE and LOVE THE OTHER .
THE KEY IS , are what we LOVING TRUTH . BEWARE rita , oh beware for i have seen
one who is fast to accept certain men , at least three men on this site , I KNOW ARE IN DEADLY DANGER
and are promoting A LIE . ALWAYS in time it will be made manifest who IS SEVING MEN and WHO IS SERVINGGOD .
we better BIBLE UP SISTAH . And lets learn for ourselves JUST WHO is decieving who
What we love is a key sign of whose we are .
I have a saying , which i did not say it first , BUT BABY I SURE DO LOVE IT .
It is written man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD OF GOD . loving TRUTH is beautiful
so WHY DO MANY TWIST IT unto their own destruction . enjoy that song .

 

[David in NJ]

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Do you believe what JESUS says contradicts Romans chapter 8 ???

 

[Ritajanice]

We live in perilous times where the Prophecy of the Holy Spirit is fulfilled:
"They will not endure sound doctrine............but heap to themselves teachers having itching ears"

Matthew 13:15-17

King James Version

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15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them

 

[Ritajanice]

unto who and unto WHOM men graviate to sit under and to heed
IS KEY .
for a lamb gatheres not and supports not those who DENY THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST

The dire need to be reborn @amigo de christo ...= by supernatural divine heart revelation.

and act as though one can pick up their own cross without having to BELEIVE .
And it will always be seen that they will not cling to both .
FOR IF A MAN cometh and reminds non stop about the DIRE NEED TO FIRST beleive
on CHRIST
and the other who implies there is no need too . NO one can sit at both tables . THEY WILL TURN ON ONE and LOVE THE OTHER .
THE KEY IS , are what we LOVING TRUTH . BEWARE rita , oh beware for i have seen
one who is fast to accept certain men , at least three men on this site , I KNOW ARE IN DEADLY DANGER
and are promoting A LIE . ALWAYS in time it will be made manifest who IS SEVING MEN and WHO IS SERVINGGOD .
we better BIBLE UP SISTAH . And lets learn for ourselves JUST WHO is decieving who
What we love is a key sign of whose we are .
I have a saying , which i did not say it first , BUT BABY I SURE DO LOVE IT .
It is written man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD OF GOD . loving TRUTH is beautiful
so WHY DO MANY TWIST IT unto their own destruction . enjoy that song .

Matthew 13:15-17​

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King James Version​

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15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them

 

[David in NJ]

Matthew 13:15-17​

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15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them

How would you apply this Truth?

What way(s) do you see this Truth which JESUS spoke taking place today???

 

[Ritajanice]

How would you apply this Truth?

What way(s) do you see this Truth which JESUS spoke taking place today???

No idea what you are talking about.

We must be reborn.thats what I see @David in NJ ?

No Born Again, no communication with God in one’s spirit @David in NJ

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit..explain @David in NJ ...why must Spirit give birth to spirit?

 

[CadyandZoe]

My Sister CadyandZoe,

You cannot have the "exact representation of the Eternal Father" without sharing:
a.) the exact attributes = "IAM the Way the Truth the Life"
b.) the exact ontology = "the ONLY begotten SON of GOD"
c.) the exact Eternal Existence = "In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

This is not true. We know many ways that one thing can represent another thing using a different medium. Take, for example, a song. A song can be represented in written form as sheet music. This sheet music serves as an exact representation of the song, and a skilled musician can interpret it to create an audio version of the piece. Likewise, John asserts that the man Jesus stands as a "translation" of God in the medium of

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

no one has seen God at any time . . .

John is speaking literally here. No one has actually seen God because God is a transcendent being. Just as the characters in a novel can never see the author of the book, if the author wishes to interact with the characters, he must create a character in the book that represents himself.

He has explained Him.
The Greek word is "exegeted", meaning that Jesus is the translation of God the Father. In order for a French person to understand the Bible, it must be translated into French. In order for a Spanish person to understand the Bible, it must be translated into Spanish, and likewise, in order for a human to understand God, he must be translated into "human." God the Son is the translation of God the Father into the human medium.

These are just a few CLEAR facts of Truth from God's Mouth to our ears.

In order for Truth to Blossom it has to be planted in fertile soil which is a 'Heart of a child' who believes His Father's every word.

There are weeds that stunt the growth of the truth, such as Trinitarianism. And, there is a hidden danger in Trinitarianism which should be discussed at some point.

 

[David in NJ]

No idea what you are talking about.

We must be reborn.thats what I see @David in NJ ?

No Born Again, no communication with God in one’s spirit @David in NJ

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit..explain @David in NJ ...why must Spirit give birth to spirit?

No idea what you are talking about.

Why then did you post Matthew 13:15-17 ?

We must be reborn.thats what I see @David in NJ ?
No Born Again, no communication with God in one’s spirit @David in NJ
Flesh gives birth to flesh.
Spirit gives birth to spirit

AMEN - 100% TRUTH - i NEVER denied this = EVER

why must Spirit give birth to spirit?

Because without the Word being God you and i could NEVER experience the NEW Birth/Born Again by the Spirit

 

[Grailhunter]

In this case, as we have so much Scripture that supports the Trinity and that tells us, without a doubt, that Jesus and the Father are One, the answer would have to be “no.” Let the Holy Spirit whisper in your ear this Wonderful truth, CadyandZoe.

You have very few scriptures that support a word that is not even in the Bible.

I have over a hundred scriptures that prove the one God forumula wrong directly and with a consistent storyline in the Gospels that prove it wrong.

And even Christ explained what the oneness concept was really about.

The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

 

[Ritajanice]

Why then did you post Matthew 13:15-17 ?

I can post scripture..

AMEN - 100% TRUTH - i NEVER denied this = EVER


Because without the Word being God you and i could NEVER experience the NEW Birth/Born Again by the Spirit

For me, without the Spirit testifying with my spirit that I am Gods child as he was indwelling my spirit..I would never know that I was Born Again.

I was Born Of The Spirit exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemus.

The seed of the Living God penetrated my heart over 33 yrs ago, took up residence in my spirit and there he has been growing and maturing me in my spirit.to be more like Jesus .,to communicate with my Father in Heaven as I’m His Spirit child..in Jesus Name only.Amen.

Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed..a Living seed who is Alive and Active in my heart.

= by supernatural divine heart revelation...Born Of The Spirit = Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

[David in NJ]

This is not true. We know many ways that one thing can represent another thing using a different medium. Take, for example, a song. A song can be represented in written form as sheet music. This sheet music serves as an exact representation of the song, and a skilled musician can interpret it to create an audio version of the piece. Likewise, John asserts that the man Jesus stands as a "translation" of God in the medium of

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

no one has seen God at any time . . .

John is speaking literally here. No one has actually seen God because God is a transcendent being. Just as the characters in a novel can never see the author of the book, if the author wishes to interact with the characters, he must create a character in the book that represents himself.

He has explained Him.
The Greek word is "exegeted", meaning that Jesus is the translation of God the Father. In order for a French person to understand the Bible, it must be translated into French. In order for a Spanish person to understand the Bible, it must be translated into Spanish, and likewise, in order for a human to understand God, he must be translated into "human." God the Son is the translation of God the Father into the human medium.



There are weeds that stunt the growth of the truth, such as Trinitarianism. And, there is a hidden danger in Trinitarianism which should be discussed at some point.

How can that which God spoke be "not true"???

Since "no one has seen God at anytime EXCEPT the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father"
how is then you say - "not true" since "God begot God"

 

[CadyandZoe]

Nothing in my post from the council of Nicaea.

The Trinitarian Doctrine, which you defend, comes from the Council of Nicaea.

You have only stated your opinion and denied what the scripture so plainly states.

I deny your interpretation of scripture.

The scriptures teach that the Son created all things.

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17

The passage you quoted, which a Trinitarian translated, obviously supports the Trinitarian View. But the Greek can also legitimately be understood to say, "For in Him all things were created . . ." which is what Paul actually meant to say.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. John 1:1-3

Again, only a Trinitarian would believe that John is making refers to a person, rather than a word.

 

[David in NJ]

I can post scripture..

For me, without the Spirit testifying with my spirit that I am Gods child as he was indwelling my spirit..I would never know that I was Born Again.

I was Born Of The Spirit exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemus.

The seed of the Living God penetrated my heart over 33 yrs ago, took up residence in my spirit and there he has been growing and maturing me in my spirit.to be more like Jesus .,to communicate with my Father in Heaven as I’m His Spirit child..in Jesus Name only.Amen.

I can post scripture..

A.) Did i EVER, at aanytime on any post, say to you "thou shall not post scripture"
and
B.) i did say to you, when you post scripture = and i said "GREAT" and "i AGREE 100% TRUTH"

For me, without the Spirit testifying with my spirit that I am Gods child as he was indwelling my spirit..I would never know that I was Born Again.
I was Born Of The Spirit exactly as Jesus explains to Nicodemus.

GREAT - so is everyone who believes the Word of God who was God in the Beginning = all the Way back to Genesis

 

[Ritajanice]

There are weeds that stunt the growth of the truth, such as Trinitarianism. And, there is a hidden danger in Trinitarianism which should be discussed at some point

The good news is, we do not have to believe in any trinity.to become Born Again..Praise God that we know this spiritual truth.