THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[CadyandZoe]

…but Is Jesus God?

The Bible teaches us that Jesus represents God's nature perfectly. We can relate to God better because we share a common humanity with his son. Jesus also represents God perfectly in his character, values, and attitudes. Jesus has been placed at the right hand of the Father, so he is worthy of our love, worship, devotion, and obedience.

 

[Aunty Jane]

They have eternal life, this means they will never die.
Very simple, They are spiritually alive.

LOL….no kidding….what do we assume eternal life means?

In the true meaning of the word “eternal” (meaning no beginning or end) only the Father is eternal……the son was “with God in the beginning”….so what beginning is this? It is the beginning of God’s creation….his “firstborn” ”only begotten” son was brought into existence as that “beginning”. (Rev 3:14)

No fleshly human has eternal life like those with the “heavenly calling” do……these alone put on “immortality”…a condition that mere mortals cannot achieve as long as they exist in the flesh on earth, because they will need all the life support that the Creator provided for them here….oxygen, food and water.

Spirit beings in heaven have no such need, but they are not immortal either, proven by the fact that God can destroy them if they abuse their free will as satan did. The lake of fire (Gehenna) is a place where the wicked go to be destroyed forever. Satan and his angels will go there once God has finished with them at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ and his ”joint-heirs”. (Rev 20:1-3)

The Bible itself makes the distinction between “everlasting life” (which is conditional) and “immortality” (which is a reward for faithfulness unto death for the elect). Mortals can have everlasting life granted on the condition of their continued obedience to the Creator. Life was granted in Eden on that condition….death would only enter their lives as a penalty for disobedience.…so what would have happened if the first humans had never disobeyed? What if sin had never happened? Would any human have needed to go to heaven? Would Christ have needed to come to earth to give his life for ours?

 

[RLT63]

The Bible teaches us that Jesus represents God's nature perfectly. We can relate to God better because we share a common humanity with his son. Jesus also represents God perfectly in his character, values, and attitudes. Jesus has been placed at the right hand of the Father, so he is worthy of our love, worship, devotion, and obedience.

I thought we were only supposed to worship God

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, I deny his deity because it isn't true as I have already explained. A deity doesn't die, bleed, get tired, grow in wisdom, eat lunch, etc. Jesus did all that.

Dear CadyandZoe,

For God so loved @CadyandZoe and @David in NJ and @Ritajanice that HE sent His ONLY begotten Son to take upon Himself
the worse punishment = for us = what we deserved.

No man could of endured the relentless beating that came upon Him.

Our Lord Jesus was beaten so horrifically and with such hatred and force that if you could not even recognize Him.
His back and arms and legs ripped open from a whip designed to tear open flesh.

Those relentless blows and whippings would of killed the strongest of men.

After all that BRUTAL punishment HE then had to carry this very heavy Wooden Beam Cross.
He should of died at this point but HE continued and His FATHER assisted Him by sending Simon of Cyrene to help Jesus carry His Cross.

With unbelievable PAIN SCREAMING thru His Body, which no man could endure, they pounded the nails in His Hands and in His Feet.
Then PRESSED 3" Thorns into His Head all around.

HOW WAS HE ABLE TO DO THIS???
WHY DID HE DO THIS???
ALL this for you CadyandZoe and for me and for Ritajanice and for the entire HATE FILLED world.

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My
Father.”

Is the LORD JESUS CHRIST your SHEPHERD???

Have you humbled your heart and bowed your knee and confessed with your heart, OUT LOUD from your mouth
that JESUS CHRIST is your LORD and SAVIOR???

For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

 

[Wrangler]

I never devalued the Son.

The idea that not over-valuing Christ is a bad thing is absurd.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Anyone who devalues the SON devalues the FATHER, even to the point of calling God a liar - which is rampant on here!

I never devalued the Son.

The Bible makes no mention of the son as an incarnation of his Father…..as his representative YES, but never as ‘God come in the flesh’……he came as a sinless human to rescue us from Adam’s sinful inheritance. Since the son is not “worshipped” but is given the due respect of his position, (“obeisance” is a meaning of the same word) so, as “the son of God” (the only title he ever gave himself) this is what devalues the Father to put the son on equal footing with three ‘gods’ instead of one. (Deut 6:4) This is a clear breach of the first Commandment (Exodus 20:3) and those clinging to this satanic lie will suffer rejection by the God who made that Commandment “first” on his list of things his worshippers must not do.

There are none so blind….there is something rampant in Christendom that the “many“ tenaciously defend without a single solid piece of evidence to support it. Not one direct statement from either the Father or the son stating that as a Bible truth. Every argument presented is based on misinterpretation of scripture or upon biased translating.

It is not the “many” who will be found on “the road to life” however….”few” will have that privilege granted because they entered the narrow gate against the odds, and were determined to stay on the cramped road with many roadblocks. (Matt 7:13-14)

And now we see a resort to emotional blackmail…..good grief….! The desperation is really evident….
If knowledge is lacking, then appeal to emotion might just work…..not. Nice try….

 

[David in NJ]

The Bible makes no mention of the son as an incarnation of his Father…..as his representative YES, but never as ‘God come in the flesh’……he came as a sinless human to rescue us from Adam’s sinful inheritance. Since the son is not “worshipped” but is given the due respect of his position, (“obeisance” is a meaning of the same word) so, as “the son of God” (the only title he ever gave himself) this is what devalues the Father to put the son on equal footing with three ‘gods’ instead of one. (Deut 6:4) This is a clear breach of the first Commandment (Exodus 20:3) and those clinging to this satanic lie will suffer rejection by the God who made that Commandment “first” on his list of things his worshippers must not do.

There are none so blind….there is something rampant in Christendom that the “many“ tenaciously defend without a single solid piece of evidence to support it. Not one direct statement from either the Father or the son stating that as a Bible truth. Every argument presented is based on misinterpretation of scripture or upon bias translating.

It is not the “many” who will be found on “the road to life” however….”few” will have that privilege granted because they entered the narrow gate against the odds, and were determined to stay on the cramped road with many roadblocks. (Matt 7:13-14)

And now we see a resort to emotional blackmail…..good grief….! The desperation is really evident….
If knowledge is lacking, then appeal to emotion might just work…..not. Nice try….

The Lord walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden

The same Lord came to earth as a man - Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel.

Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

 

[David in NJ]

The idea that not over-valuing Christ is a bad thing is absurd.

jw false doctrine is pure EVIL = same as the Roman Catholic Church = BFF

And God spoke all these words, saying:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
“You shall have no other gods before Me.

jw EVIL SATANIC doctrine from NWT John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god

 

[Taken]

A problem I had with NKJV is that even though they removed archaic words, like thee and thou, the sentence structure remained archaic. I felt like I was reading the Gospel of Yoda.

LOL

 

[David in NJ]

The idea that not over-valuing Christ is a bad thing is absurd.

Post 2,748 UPdated for you Wrangler

PLEASE read Post 2,744

 

[APAK]

Okay.
Isaiah 9:6 (NKJV) For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The Child being born is Jesus, the only begotten Son of God. Jesus‘ names point to Himself and to the full Godhead (the Trinity). The Holy Spirit is our Counselor. The Everlasting Father is God the Father. Jesus is the Prince of Peace.

Well that is a novel understanding of the verse.

Let me also include verse 7 in the mix.

(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Divine Warrior, Father of the Eternal Age, Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.(NEV)

(Isa 9:6) A child has been born for us. We have been given a son who will be our ruler. His names will be Wonderful Advisor and Mighty God, Eternal Father and Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:7) His power will never end; peace will last forever. He will rule David's kingdom and make it grow strong. He will always rule with honesty and justice. The LORD All-Powerful will make certain that all of this is done.(CEV)

(Isa 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.(KJV)

Isaiah 9:6-7 is said to belong to some leader after King David or Jesus. Let's go with Jesus Christ as you also indicate.

The context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria.

A child is born and given by whom? It would be by God, his Spirit gave us a son.

This child will have a government to rule. It will be his sole responsibility.

It would indicate that God gives his Son this government. After his resurrection from death, the Son of God shall have all authority on the earth and in heaven. This is the government given to him by his Father, based on the same throne originating from King David.

Now ‘Mighty God’ should be translated as ‘mighty warrior’ or ‘great one.’

This phrase "El gib(b)or" is also used in Ezekiel 32:21 and translated "the mighty chiefs". One of the definitions under "El" is mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes and would seem more fitting since the very next verse says "Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David an over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it"

Where in scripture had Jesus been called the everlasting Father? Nowhere. I would think that Trinitarians at least would be weary of saying Jesus was any kind of a Father, because their God is composed of the Father and the Son, and their Johnny come lately other person, the Holy Spirit. And they can never be the same person - they stay in their own lanes I would think according to their proponents of this doctrine.

‘Everlasting Father’ should be translated as the eternal father, of the future ages to come since his ascension into heaven. Jesus became the key agent of eternal life. Jesus replaced the original 'Aam' and temporal father, also a Son of God, as he, the 1st Adam, returned to the ‘dust.’ Jesus purchased sinful mankind and became their new permanent father of future ages as the 2nd and last Adam. He became immortal and the gateway for all others to enter in.

Yahshua fathered the new creation of believers from mankind. He created the mechanism for it. He became the father of it, the firstborn from the dead, this human process from human death to salvation and immortality. He thus became the unique Father everlasting, the first and the last or the only one in this specific regard. The first and the last or the only one as spoken of in the Book of Revelation and only in this context. Jesus was the founder, and he is the father of new believers; of the new creation (not Genesis). He was the first of the new creation of human beings given immortality. He was the author of life for all men.

Acts 17:30-31 says that YHWH has appointed a man to judge the world that aligns perfectly with the verses of Isaiah 9:6 and 7.

The last part of verse 7 says the zeal of the LORD Almighty will produce this child who will accomplish or be all these things said in these verses. The LORD Almighty will use his Holy Spirit to create this new Son, lead him to the Cross, and bring him to the realm of holy royalty.

This is another validation that the LORD is the only God, the only creator, and it is ridiculous and impossible for his created Son to be him.

And the LORD God will ensure (his zeal) that all this will transpire in the future and beyond.

 

[David in NJ]

Well that is a novel understanding of the verse.

Let me also include verse 7 in the mix.

(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Divine Warrior, Father of the Eternal Age, Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.(NEV)

(Isa 9:6) A child has been born for us. We have been given a son who will be our ruler. His names will be Wonderful Advisor and Mighty God, Eternal Father and Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:7) His power will never end; peace will last forever. He will rule David's kingdom and make it grow strong. He will always rule with honesty and justice. The LORD All-Powerful will make certain that all of this is done.(CEV)

(Isa 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.(KJV)

Isaiah 9:6-7 is said to belong to some leader after King David or Jesus. Let's go with Jesus Christ as you also indicate.

The context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria.

A child is born and given by whom? It would be by God, his Spirit gave us a son.

This child will have a government to rule. It will be his sole responsibility.

It would indicate that God gives his Son this government. After his resurrection from death, the Son of God shall have all authority on the earth and in heaven. This is the government given to him by his Father, based on the same throne originating from King David.

Now ‘Mighty God’ should be translated as ‘mighty warrior’ or ‘great one.’

This phrase "El gib(b)or" is also used in Ezekiel 32:21 and translated "the mighty chiefs". One of the definitions under "El" is mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes and would seem more fitting since the very next verse says "Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David an over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it"

Where in scripture had Jesus been called the everlasting Father? Nowhere. I would think that Trinitarians at least would be weary of saying Jesus was any kind of a Father, because their God is composed of the Father and the Son, and their Johnny come lately other person, the Holy Spirit. And they can never be the same person - they stay in their own lanes I would think according to their proponents of this doctrine.

‘Everlasting Father’ should be translated as the eternal father, of the future ages to come since his ascension into heaven. Jesus became the key agent of eternal life. Jesus replaced the original 'Aam' and temporal father, also a Son of God, as he, the 1st Adam, returned to the ‘dust.’ Jesus purchased sinful mankind and became their new permanent father of future ages as the 2nd and last Adam. He became immortal and the gateway for all others to enter in.

Yahshua fathered the new creation of believers from mankind. He created the mechanism for it. He became the father of it, the firstborn from the dead, this human process from human death to salvation and immortality. He thus became the unique Father everlasting, the first and the last or the only one in this specific regard. The first and the last or the only one as spoken of in the Book of Revelation and only in this context. Jesus was the founder, and he is the father of new believers; of the new creation (not Genesis). He was the first of the new creation of human beings given immortality. He was the author of life for all men.

Acts 17:30-31 says that YHWH has appointed a man to judge the world that aligns perfectly with the verses of Isaiah 9:6 and 7.

The last part of verse 7 says the zeal of the LORD Almighty will produce this child who will accomplish or be all these things said in these verses. The LORD Almighty will use his Holy Spirit to create this new Son, lead him to the Cross, and bring him to the realm of holy royalty.

This is another validation that the LORD is the only God, the only creator, and it is ridiculous and impossible for his created Son to be him.

And the LORD God will ensure (his zeal) that all this will transpire in the future and beyond.

Keep reading and studying and praying - you are getting closer to the TRUTH

Read Revelation chapter 1 again

 

[APAK]

Keep reading and studying and praying - you are getting closer to the TRUTH

Read Revelation chapter 1 again

Do you have anything useful to write, and comment on Isaiah 9:6-7, the subject at hand?

I would be happy to hear your view on this scripture first before running off to temporarily diversionary shelter in another topic, of Rev 1, where I expect I will have to uncover it and expose it, as the only one explaining it once again.

 

[IronMaiden]

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This is another validation that the LORD is the only God, the only creator, and it is ridiculous and impossible for his created Son to be him.

Well, I truly believe that Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are One.

 

[RedFan]

Despite this, @RedFan continued with the claim that John 17:5 proves the trinity.

Oh, I don't think John 17:5 proves the Trinity. I don't think ANY Scripture verses prove the Trinity. Some verses support it, others go the opposite way. Scripture is equivocal on the subject. I think I've said that several times.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The Lord walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden

He did before the fall….but we know that God is too big to physically walk on earth, so I believe that he spoke by angelic representatives because any visible presence would have been fatal, as God told Moses.….”no man may see me and yet live”…..
If we on earth cannot look at the sun without burning a hole in our retina from this distance, what makes you think that a mere mortal creation can walk with God in a garden…..if he was invisibly present, with only his voice heard, as it says in Gen 3:8-10, then that is how God was “with” mankind in the beginning.…..in other scripture, after the fall, angels spoke for Yahweh as his representatives.

The three angels who visited Abraham and Sarah to inform them of Isaac’s birth and the destruction of the immoral cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, ate and drank what was provided for them by Abraham and his nephew Lot. There was no differentiation between the three visitors, although only one spoke for Yahweh.

The same Lord came to earth as a man - Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23

Tell me which of those scriptures tells us that the son that was to be birthed by the virgin was God incarnate? That is a trinitarian suggestion, not a stated fact.

Was Jesus ever called “Immanuel”….? Why was he called Yeshua (Joshua in Hebrew) and not Immanuel? Joshua/Jesus was a common name in those times.

What does Immanuel mean? ”God with us”…or an alternative rendering could be “with us is God”.
Was God “with” his earthly servants? How? Was he “with“ his nation of Israel? How? Did he communicate with these ones and record their words and experiences in the Scriptures? Why?

John 1:1 says that Jesus, as “the Word”, was “with“ God….and that he was “theos” (meaning any god, goddess or divinity) so saying Jesus was “theos” was not calling him “ho theos” (Yahweh)
The Greek reads differently to the biased trinitarian English translation.

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel.

Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

Yes, God has always been “with” his servants, by the means he chose at that particular time….but only once did he give the Jews the testimony of his son…..when they put him to death, there was no longer a reason to hold back salvation from the gentiles…..a promise that God made to Abraham was that “all the nations would be blessed” by this one that was coming, prophesied in Isaiah.

 

[APAK]

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Well, I truly believe that Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are One.

Yes, they are certainly one is ways you might not have thought of, yet.

God's Spirit is the Holy Spirit - two expressions for the same thing. They are interchangeable. And God's spirit is the Father of all created spirits and within the Father's Spirit are comprised a multitude of intrinsic spirits that even scripture does cover in any depth.

And the Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit is one in purpose and accord with the Son and his own spirit.

It boils down to God the Father and his Son, Yashua where the Father is working through his Son, his proxy.

 

[Aunty Jane]

jw false doctrine is pure EVIL = same as the Roman Catholic Church = BFF

And God spoke all these words, saying:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
“You shall have no other gods before Me.

jw EVIL SATANIC doctrine from NWT John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god

Resorting to yelling again…? That is a sign of desperation…..by all means highlight any words you need to emphasize but yelling is a poor excuse for discussion. Jesus didn’t yell at people he spoke to them, not at them.

In your pointed accusations of evil you missed the point of Christendom worshipping three gods who are all Yahweh…three squeezed into one so that accusations of polytheism could not be made….but there they are…”God the Father”….”God the Son”….and “God the Holy Spirit”. That is three gods that trinitarians have put in the Father’s place……we have put only one “ho theos” rightfully in the role of the Father…..because there is no God but Yahweh…and never was. (Deut 6:4)

“Theos” is a word that you trinitarians cannot see is incorrectly translated as “God” with a capital “G”.
It is a word that refers to ‘any god or goddess or divine personage’. Even to those human judges in Israel whom Yahweh himself called “gods” (theos, as his representatives) and as many times as I have offered that fact to you is the number of times you have completely ignored it. (John 10:31-36) Calling Jesus “a god” according to the Greek meaning of that word, is correct. He was a “divine mighty one” which is what that word in essence, means. Both Father and son share that basic description in a language that was spoken among the pagan Greeks who had many gods.…all of whom had names….except the God of the Jews…he was at that time nameless, as the Jews failed to make it known among their generations as they were instructed through Moses. (Exodus :13-15) The only way to speak about this nameless God was to call him “THE God” (ho theos) in the same way we would identify someone with the same name as a celebrity….not THE Brad Pitt”? Not “THE Harrison Ford”? We use this expression ourselves.


Jesus is not, and never was, “God the Son”….that description is a Catholic invention, as is “God the Holy Spirit”. The only one mentioned in Scripture is “God the Father”. He is “the only true God” as Jesus said…the one who “sent“ him. (John 17:3)

 

[Aunty Jane]

Well, I truly believe that Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are One.

And mindlessly repeating the same thing over and over doesn’t make it correct…..all it does is make you a parrot.
You have your set scriptures provided by Christendom’s theology, but not the Bible itself.
The number of ways that the trinity is contradicted in scripture is mind boggling…..no truth can be so decisively exposed, yet those who argue for it cannot provide one direct declaration from either God or his son that they are all equally God. Suggestions about what scripture means hides the fact that they have no concrete evidence….if there was this thread would have died a long time ago… 138 pages ago to be exact…

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

Honestly, I don't understand why everyone is in such an uproar about it. We clearly cannot comprehend many things about our Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit b I get the non-comprehending thing, but it does not hurt to get Christians together and thinking about it and talking about it. And I...

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And what did God, his Father give his Son as his glory then......and when....it's obvious that the Father before the world became, already knew his Son would be glorified as his savior in an immortal state after his death on the Cross and those the Father gave to him, who would also be glorified in the same manner, eventually, in his presence... be with me where I am;

So you think the Father knew him ( as an idea in His plan, a blueprint person in His mind), someone who He would create and become in the future?
Nope. You looked at the context, printed it out as if ( "See I got it and now I'm going to throw a wrench at you with verses 22 and 24). But did NOT look at verse 25, which blows your view out of the water. " THE WORLD HAS NOT KNOWN YOU BUT I HAVE KNOWN YOU"
Jesus knew His Father when nobody else can make that claim or in what capacity could they? With the Jews having partial knowledge of God through experience and from the knowledge of the Old Testament, Jesus still states no one has known the Father.
Jesus was the fullness, exact representation and essence of the Father.
How could He know Him fully unless He preexisted with Him in eternity?

Verses 22 and 24 kills off any idea of a preexistent Jesus of immortality and divine nature as it appears to read in verse 5.

You didn't answer the question because you do not understand it. Then in your post you spout off how you must deal with simpleton... who are naive and ignorant to pose such a view as the preexisting of Jesus with the Father from before time.

Let's discuss verse 22. It's loaded and deep.
What is the Glory of God and how does He share it with us?

The Holiness of God, bright like the sun and nothing compares. We receive light and warmth from the sun, but it is a minute amount, compared to the being close to it. It's filtered through our atmosphere that protects us. And so it is with the holiness and glory He shares.
The glory that Jesus had with the Father before the world existed and the glory He has now is not in the same capacity. That would be like trying to receive the full power of the sun up close as opposed to getting a sun tan from 93 million miles away.

The reason Jesus receives this glory is because He is holy. I

His achievement deserves glory. He takes away the sins of the world. How can He do that? Omniscience: He must know all whom He forgives and all their sins to remove them. Omnipresence: He must be everywhere for all time.
Omnipotence: His power to spiritually remove all oilur sins ( trillions mind you), could only be accomplished by God.
In verse 22, Jesus is speaking prolifically. He is speaking of the glory He will share with humanity into the future up to the present and beyond as if it had already happened.
"The glory that you have given me", (to take on human flesh, to shed light in darkness and take away the sins of the world), "I give to them". What does that mean?
To paraphrase vs. 22, "So Father, for what you give me, for who I am and what I have achieved, I give to them (salvation), my glory, my righteousness imputed to them; glory that when you look at them, you will see spotless souls, white as snow"
We will be glorified in His likeness when we get there.

If Jesus previously had this glorification of immortality ages ago, then why in verse 22 does the Son speak of already been given immortality, along with others

It is not immortality He received, since He is an eternal being - always has been. His glory, holiness, righteousness is imputed to us and we will get an upgrade, new bodies and multidimensional abilities but not in the same capacity as God's glory.