THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Ritajanice]

All Truth

Remember now - you told me on numerous posts that "you are not in Jesus Christ and HE is not in you"

i am Born Of The Spirit..clothed in the righteousness of Christ...Jesus does not indwell my spirit,no scripture says that Jesus indwells my spirit.

I don’t give 2 hoots what you think David, I don’t answer to you.

Im under the Holy Spirit authority , not yours...you quote me and post things that I never said..then I will defend my position.

Isaiah 61:10-11​

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10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
11 For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to

1 Peter 1:2-25​

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2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
spring forth; so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations

 

[David in NJ]

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i am Born Of The Spirit..clothed in the righteousness of Christ...Jesus does not indwell my spirit,no scripture says that Jesus indwells my spirit.

I don’t give 2 hoots what you think David, I don’t answer to you.

Im under the Holy Spirit authority , not yours...you quote me and post things that I never said..then I will defend my position.

Isaiah 61:10-11​

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10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
11 For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations

you quote me and post things that I never said..

.Jesus does not indwell my spirit,no scripture says that Jesus indwells my spirit.

from Romans chapter 8 in your Post #2,139

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[Ritajanice]

from Romans chapter 8 in your Post #2,139

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Correct.

The Spirit of Christ....are you saying the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ?
You said I had Jesus in my Spirit...Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of God.

I could not contain Jesus in my Spirit as he was.

Other than David, can someone else help. Is the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit?

 

[Scott Downey]

About indwelling, there is this mentioned, the Spirit, the Father, the Son
John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [a]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

 

[David in NJ]

About indwelling, there is this mentioned, the Spirit, the Father, the Son
John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [a]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

i know how this is accomplished - and you posted the scriptures that tell us EXACTLY how the "We" make THEIR Home within us.

Your Mission Scott, should you accept this:
Pray for others to be set free from jw false doctrine and be SAVED by the "WE"

 

[Scott Downey]

i know how this is accomplished - and you poste dthe scriptures that tell us EXACTLY how the "We" make THEIR Home within us.

Your Mission Scott, should you accept this:
Pray for others to be set free from jw doctrine and be SAVED by the "WE"

i know how this is accomplished - and you posted the scriptures that tell us EXACTLY how the "We" make THEIR Home within us.

Your Mission Scott, should you accept this:
Pray for others to be set free from jw false doctrine and be SAVED by the "WE"

Yes, WE will make OUR home with him.
Clearly they are all there with us.
Shows they are all of God as in the Godhead.

 

[Grailhunter]

I don’t care what they think, that commentary is excellent in proving imo, that Jesus is not God..100% it resonates with my spirit.

Who has the awareness and comprehension to define that Yeshua is or is not a God? Who understands what it is to be a God? Who is qualified to answer that? How many angels can fit on the end of a needle? What is God made out of? What is the substance of God? Can a human sit on a throne to the right of Yahweh? Substance, Composition, Nature, the atomic number, what is the difference between Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit? Who can answer that?

The Hebrew word for God, is the same for God, god, and goddess. That is why the Hebrews did not refer to Yahweh as God very often in the Old Testament. But today Christians would not know that because they took Yahweh’s name out of the scriptures around 6,800 times and replaced it with the words God or Lord 6,800 times. So they use the word God as a name….IN GOD WE TRUST….Which God?

The word God is a Devine position and it is a loose term. Was Yeshua a God before He was born, after He was born, or after He died? Was He 100% God and 100% human, was He 50/50, 80% lean/20% fat, was His body human and His soul a God? Take a theological shot in the dark.

Christ existed in the Old Testament when Yahweh said over and over again that He was the only God and there was no one like Him. What does that make Yeshua….a human time traveler? A time traveler that created the universe? If they are three in one can you attribute anything to any one of them? When you pray is it a party line? If you are praying to the Holy Spirit for understanding is Yeshua listening? Does the Holy Spirit tell people different things on the same topic? Does the Holy Spirit have a sense of humor? Is Yahweh God Almighty or is Yeshua God Almighty? Do you think they argue over who is better?

We can only understand so much. Biblical words can only tell us so much….Some times it is the words and the storyline….what was Yahweh and Yeshua doing in the Gospels? Yahweh loved His Son or did Yahweh love Himself? Could Yeshua come from Himself? Can He ascend to Himself? The Father is greater than I, or I am greater than Myself? Some people cannot see the forest for the trees…..

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, WE will make OUR home with him.
Clearly they are all there with us.
Shows they are all of God as in the Godhead.

ALL of One God = Echad Elohim
"Elohe Abraham Elohe Isaac Elohe Jacob , this is My Name forever, My Memorial to all generations" - Exodus 3:15

At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me.

Remember the slogan: 'as simple as one, two, THREE'

 

[Scott Downey]

How about it, The Son, The Christ of God, God the Father says will be called Everlasting Father, the Mighty God, in His New Covenant.

6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

In the New Covenant things changed a lot from the Old Covenant, and we don't want to be Old Covenant believers.
That OC, God did away with, obsoleting it.

We now live in New Covenant times.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Disagree.

I know you do….because if you didn’t, you would not relate such an experience with happiness….the truth would take all that deception away and reveal what the visitation really was.

I know the difference between a “little child” (babe, toddler , tike) and a 20, 50, 90 yr old child OF God.

I believe “little children “ do have holy guardian angels and do answer to God.


Matt 18:
[10] Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

What does “their angels” mean? Does it say what you assume that it does? Who are these “little ones”? Literal children or spiritual babes? Would God give special attention to those who would naturally be targets of the demons in throwing up roadblocks on their way through the narrow gate and onto the cramped road to life? Of course God would give then extra help….even if it was a stronger spirit of endurance.

Children are under the headship of their parents who are under obligation to teach them about God, like it was in Israel’s day. (Deut 6:6-7) Christians would also be obligated in the same way….until a child reaches an age of accountability, they are not responsible before God, but their parents are.…even if only one parent is a believer. (1 Cor 7:12-14)

I know of no forbidding for Guardian Angels to reveal their name to little children.

Angels were asked for their names…they were never given. The only guardian angels spoken about in the Bible are cherubs, who are guardians of adults, not infants who have no accounting with God.

In the case of Samson’s mother who experienced a visitation from an angel in human form, to announce his birth..…
”And the woman went in and told her husband “The man of God came to me, looking like the Angel of God, very awful; and I did not ask him where he was from, and he did not tell me his name; and he said to me 7 ‘You are conceiving and are to have a son; now do not drink wine nor beer, nor eat any uncleanness, because the boy shall be God’s devotee from his birth till the day of his death.’”

”17 Then Ma·noʹah said to Jehovah’s angel: “What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes true?” 18 However, Jehovah’s angel said to him: “Why are you asking about my name, seeing that it is a wonderful one?” (Judges 13:6-7, 17-18.)

It wasn’t until the angel ascended in a miraculous way that they realized who he was….appearing as a man, but even though he was asked, he never gave his name.

I also believe The Scriptures reveal holy angels…help protect, reveal information, guide and minister to believers )soul saved or not).

Not saying that they can’t, but don’t you have to wonder why others are not so blessed? Or it it that the demons can’t fool everyone? If God’s worshippers are under guardian angels then why do bad things happen to them…are their angels off on a coffee break? Do they get punished for not doing their job?
How many prayers for cures in the various diseases that affect us, go unanswered….especially for children? Can you tell me why? Lots of people lose their faith in such circumstances….so who is benefitted?

I further trust holy angels have been with me redirecting me, from a usual course, and discover after the fact, news of a horrific mishap occurred where I had intended to go.

I regularly call on holy angels to travel with me, help me find things, be it a tool or particular Scripture…

I have no doubt that is what you believe…but demons are well trained by their leader in the cleverest modes of deception….’white’ an be made to appear ‘black’ and vice versa….’lies‘ can masquerade as ‘truth‘ if the right tactics are used….especially emotional appeals…..are you clever enough to identify 6000 years of successful practice? Are you really sure that you cannot be fooled as easily as children? (1John 5:19) The deceiver has “the whole world” under his influence…yet the whole world is unaware…..
Just as those Christians who offer Jesus their excuses at the judgment (Matt 7:21-23)….so sure that their Christianity was genuine….but their rejection is irreversible…..do you know why?

Time will tell….won’t it?

 

[Scott Downey]

Colossians 2

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding [d]in it with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone [e]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead [f]bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all [g]principality and power.

 

[Ritajanice]

Pray for others to be set free from jw false doctrine and be SAVED by the "WE"

What do you mean, saved by the ‘ WE”

A Born Again does not have to believe in the trinity.

For we know that we are Born Again in our spirit..=by divine heart revelation. Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

You should also know that there is no condemnation for those in Christ.,you talk as if the JW have power, absolute nonsense..thank you Father God that I know you in my spirit, even if I never understand the trinity.
your Holy Spirit, will never leave me, my security is in you Father God.,not men nor woman...In Jesus Name..Amen!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Correct.

The Spirit of Christ....are you saying the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ?
You said I had Jesus in my Spirit...Jesus is in heaven seated at the right hand of God.

I could not contain Jesus in my Spirit as he was.

Other than David, can someone else help. Is the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit?

The word “spirit” has several meanings in the Bible. It can mean the personality of an individual or group of people strongly motivated in one direction, or individually describing strong personality traits. Even animals can be described as “spirited”.

The spirit of God is manifested in different ways, and to accomplish different things. It was God’s spirit that accomplished creation through the son. It wasn’t Christ’s spirit that did this, it was God’s.

Christ’s spirit was his motivating force….something he shared with his apostles who then shared it with others…it’s what drove them to do what needed to be done at Jesus’ command….no matter how difficult it was.

God’s spirit was also used in connection with Moses and the ten plagues…..God’s spirit acting through Moses in parting the Red Sea….it is not a person, but the administration of God’s power when and where it is needed. Given even in due measure as when Moses was finding it tough to deal with a whole nation of rebellious people. He was told to choose 70 qualified men to help shoulder the burden….

Numbers 11:14-17…
“14 I am not able to bear all this people by myself; it is too much for me. 15 If this is how you are going to treat me, please kill me right now. If I have found favor in your eyes, do not make me see any more calamity.”
16 Jehovah replied to Moses: “Gather for me 70 men from the elders of Israel, men whom you recognize as elders and officials of the people, and take them to the tent of meeting, and have them stand there with you. 17 I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take away some of the spirit that is on you and place it on them, and they will help you in bearing the burden of the people so that you may not have to bear it alone.”

Some of the spirit that was given to Moses was taken from him and divided among the 70….what does that tell us about it being a “person”?

 

[David in NJ]

Who has the awareness and comprehension to define that Yeshua is or is not a God? Who understands what it is to be a God? Who is qualified to answer that? How many angels can fit on the end of a needle? What is God made out of? What is the substance of God? Can a human sit on a throne to the right of Yahweh? Substance, Composition, Nature, the atomic number, what is the difference between Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit? Who can answer that?

The Hebrew word for God, is the same for God, god, and goddess. That is why the Hebrews did not refer to Yahweh as God very often in the Old Testament. But today Christians would not know that because they took Yahweh’s name out of the scriptures around 6,800 times and replaced it with the words God or Lord 6,800 times. So they use the word God as a name….IN GOD WE TRUST….Which God?

The word God is a Devine position and it is a loose term. Was Yeshua a God before He was born, after He was born, or after He died? Was He 100% God and 100% human, was He 50/50, 80% lean/20% fat, was His body human and His soul a God? Take a theological shot in the dark.

Christ existed in the Old Testament when Yahweh said over and over again that He was the only God and there was no one like Him. What does that make Yeshua….a human time traveler? A time traveler that created the universe? If they are three in one can you attribute anything to any one of them? When you pray is it a party line? If you are praying to the Holy Spirit for understanding is Yeshua listening? Does the Holy Spirit tell people different things on the same topic? Does the Holy Spirit have a sense of humor? Is Yahweh God Almighty or is Yeshua God Almighty? Do you think they argue over who is better?

We can only understand so much. Biblical words can only tell us so much….Some times it is the words and the storyline….what was Yahweh and Yeshua doing in the Gospels? Yahweh loved His Son or did Yahweh love Himself? Could Yeshua come from Himself? Can He ascend to Himself? The Father is greater than I, or I am greater than Myself? Some people cannot see the forest for the trees…..

Yahweh is Jesus

The Apostle Peter knew this and thus he wrote: "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

The Apostle Paul knew this: There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

God knows this:
He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

"....and few there be that find it...."

 

[David in NJ]

What do you mean, saved by the ‘ WE”

A Born Again does not have to believe in the trinity.

For we know that we are Born Again in our spirit..=by divine heart revelation. Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

You should also know that there is no condemnation for those in Christ.,you talk as if the JW have power, absolute nonsense..thank you Father God that I know you in my spirit, even if I never understand the trinity.
your Holy Spirit, will never leave me, my security is in you Father God.,not men nor woman...In Jesus Name..Amen!

Knowing the Truth of the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT is not required for Salvation.

JESUS says: IAM the Way the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the FATHER but by ME.

The FATHER has commanded that all men repent and turn to His SON the LORD Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins.

Acts 4:8-12
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers and elders of the people! If we are being examined today about a kind service to a man who was lame, to determine how he was healed, then let this be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.
This Jesus is:
‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’

Salvation exists in no one else,
for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

 

[Ritajanice]

What did God say about respecting another’s religion?

 

[David in NJ]

What did God say about respecting another’s religion?

HE said for us to turn away from all other religions and to turn FULLY to His SON, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation exists in no one else,
for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

 

[Ritajanice]

Yahweh is Jesus

The Apostle Peter knew this and thus he wrote: "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

The Apostle Paul knew this: There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

God knows this:
He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.
And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

"....and few there be that find it...."

I don’t need to know anything from you David, your posts speak for themselves, neither do I have to prove anything to you...

My walk with the Lord is between him and myself.

You should know that you haven’t got a hope in Henry of me believing your doctrine, most of which makes no sense.,in fact I understand the JW better than you..,

So maybe I am one..,.LOL....LOL.

 

[RedFan]

Please share the scripture that says God begets anything He wants.

Please share the scripture that says the earth is the third planet from the sun.

 

[Ritajanice]

HE said for us to turn away from all other religions and to turn FULLY to His SON, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation exists in no one else,
for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Yes David, well guess what..I’m turning away from your skewed doctrine,/ religion..